Minor QQ at valkeries

[censi]

Just find it annoying they put a melee class in the game with an insta buff sheer.

Not many valkeries about but if you fight one the best scenario is you win but loose like an essential buff.

from my pov it just makes me not attack them because id rather keep the buff.

Do peeps agree??? I think all buff sheers should be like duration based like 1-2 mins. that way they are still effecive but it doesnt create like toons you dont wanna attack. (same with like shammies or druids and clerics, anything with buff sheer really)

 

[Azathrim]

For visible fighting the shears are not an issue the way you mention it. There shears are a powerful tool, that creates a role for a buffing class: In combat rebuffing.

For classes that are deligated to run in small group / solo RvR, shears are piss annoying. Same goes for the ML10 buffshear cloaks. Even see some idiots that blow the cloak if they see they are going to lose... simply to annoying the opponent.

 

[xxManiacxx]

omg valk whinage.

Never thought I would see one.

Although I love to buff shear grps and zergs.

 

[Castus]

Btw Censi is that u playing the bainshee or some groupie?

 

[Andrilyn]

Shearing stealthers is the best part of the game, don't take it away.

 

[Vladamir]

Shearing stealthers is the best part of the game, don't take it away.

DD

 

[Mandi]

I think all buff sheers should be like duration based like 1-2 mins.

if they did that i'm seriously put out of bussiness. buffsheering is the only way I make rp with - other then rezzing :/

edit ; u ran into a valkery? I've never even seen one u lucky git

 

[Mabs]

shearing dex based people is the only way to even out fights.. have you seen the weapskill on a valk ?

the dex/quick frontal cone shear and acuity are on the same timer , which is why most people only use the d/q - but you have to be stationary to use it which can be annoying you have to be in cone range, and standing still, which works for melee but people kiting etc its damn hard to get off so its not a true insta, and come on.. what else have valks got thats any use ?

personally , i always shear at start of fight, as u found out

 

[Vodkafairy]

i actually agree with censi. i don't see the dq shear as overpowered, but more an annoyance to the valk itself. say if you run solo and loads of people avoid you, cause they dont want their dq sheared, is that really fun?

buffshears in general are a good concept i think, aside from some necessary finetuning (hi shamans!) but a valk would be better off with having a debuff then a shear. for soloing purposes anyway tho.. hmm

 

[Chronictank]

omg valk whinage.

Never thought I would see one.

Although I love to buff shear grps and zergs.

lol i never thought id see it either
whatever next.. thanes

i actually agree with censi. i don't see the dq shear as overpowered, but more an annoyance to the valk itself. say if you run solo and loads of people avoid you, cause they dont want their dq sheared, is that really fun?

Valks have nothing else, at all other than the shears. They have a stupidly low weaponskill, even lower when you go sword/shield, dd's which are on pretty long timers tbh and shears which are both on the same timer. A valk would be lucky to hit a stealther if they dont shear them

buffshears in general are a good concept i think, aside from some necessary finetuning (hi shamans!) but a valk would be better off with having a debuff then a shear. for soloing purposes anyway tho.. hmm

Shamans dont need a nerf, its albs who need a boost maybe give friar the ability to buff shear but thats another topic altogether

 

[censi]

yer dont get me wrong here. Im not saying any of this sheer stuff is OP.

Its just a reason to think. right dont bother attacking that person (or class) etc...

Ya know its not often u get a nice 1v1 so when u do see a solo class they they should reduce the reasons not to attack. Like theres enough reasons already (aka it might be a pwn class).

As far as i can tell theres nothing OP about valks but i yet to meet someone who really takes the class to the limitt o understand it enough. just a shame this class is on the do not attack list because of insta sheer.

 

[Falukropp]

I do agree with you. Shears should just cancel the effect of a buff for x minutes, not remove it completely.
And casting the buff on the sheared toon again should reset that timer.

There's no such thing as loosing a fight when playing a valk now. Sure, you have to release and port back, but you know the stealther zerg that just jumped you is in for a lot more trouble to get back and rebuff :>

 

[Mabs]

you might not always get the option, places like Brynja etc , when its semi quiet.. run around with cone pulse on see what u can uncover :touch:

i do see what your saying about avoiding them, but unless you in a GG or with friends, you solo, a valk LFG isnt going anywhere fast

 

[MadsKaizer]

yes, lets whine about a class noone plays while the warlocks still dance around with their pills above head and kills people within seconds

 

[Mabs]

...a class noone plays ...

which is one of the greatest strengths of them atm, cos noone knows what they can do.

A valk is for life not just for thid

 

[MadsKaizer]

which is one of the greatest strengths of them atm, cos noone knows what they can do.

A valk is for life not just for thid

about how I feel about my friar

I say valks deserve this cone debuff, if you get stealthzerged its nice to know that they have to port back for buffs

and even more in the next patch, when more assassins due to love patch

 

[Chronictank]

which is one of the greatest strengths of them atm, cos noone knows what they can do.

A valk is for life not just for thid

because everyone who played them realised they were crappy in fg rvr (whish is where they are likely to hit the high rr's)
mine has been left to pve

 

[Mabs]

yeah well they may not fit into opted group set-up, personally , i play for fun and i like mine. and its still one of the best interupting classes ive seen

 

[Herjulf]

Lol ppl are running out of stuff on mid to whine about so they are whining on valks ^^

 

[Vodkafairy]

people jump too fast on the roflcopter bandwagon before comprehending posts. i dont think anyone will disagree that valks need help, but the few targets that solo would think twice about hitting a valk because of the buffshear.

sucks having to use charges or suicide to rebuff, just because you wanted to fight something. if it was a (high value) debuff rather then a shear it wouldnt be as much of a problem.

whatever tho, im fine avoiding them aswell.

and a shaman saying shamans don't need nerfs hm? yes, different topic, but you're comparing one class to an entire realm now? /ponder. 2.0 cast spd shears are ridiculess, no reason shamans don't get 3.0 like anyone else.

 

[WiZe^]

O dear god ...

 

[Mabs]

edit ; u ran into a valkery? I've never even seen one u lucky git

you have now

<assuming that was your cleric at berks>

 

[Gnarag]

For the same power cost of the second highest claw I use on Tatl I have a buff shear on a 15 second recast timer (that is op tbh)... Despite the fact people tend to lose a buff if they attack me It never stops them doing so time after time. I guess it doesn't bother most people, or they simply don't notice.

I think it is a case of using your brain... If you know you are going to get sheared then why pick a target that you know is going to do it to you? Especially if you play a stealther and can choose your targets to a degree. Whats wrong with just avoiding them?

 

[Mandi]

you have now

<assuming that was your cleric at berks>

yup nice epic armor hehe, is the class that bad that only a few play one?

 

[dub]

if you have a problem with buffshears playing an assasasin it prolly because your to used to win fights , suggest nerfing class whining instead of valkyries.

 

[Infanity]

omg valk whinage.

Never thought I would see one.

Although I love to buff shear grps and zergs.

Haha:]

 

[Eyres]

people jump too fast on the roflcopter bandwagon before comprehending posts.

2.0 cast spd shears are ridiculess, no reason shamans don't get 3.0 like anyone else.

jajajajajajaja stop reading this thread now

edit: actually lets make it more retarded!

WHY DONT MIDS GET BASELINE STUN FOR CASTERS

WHY DONT MIDS GET BOLT RANGE MEZZ!

WHY DONT MIDS GET INSTA MEZZ!

WHY DONT MIDS GET WARLOCKS!

WHY DONT MIDS GET BAINSHEES!

WHY DONT MIDS HAVE PERMA 6 RELICS


i see this thread going in that general direction so as ive covered most stuff there now theres no need to bother. k?

 

[Vodkafairy]

if you have a problem with buffshears playing an assasasin it prolly because your to used to win fights , suggest nerfing class whining instead of valkyries.

that the reason you rolled a warlock?

 

[Tuppe]

well, shear is only annoying if you survive, feels wierd complaine how shear is op because after fight against valk (and win) you need get rebuff.
allready this make me smile, many valks only "fun" moment in rvr is when they shear some assasin/zergs etc and make them go back to portal keep

if some day mythic change valks shear effect ~20 sec (look common habit) make it stronger and take away recast timer.
because 1 min to 10 min recast timer (depending spec) is way too long.

valkyrie dont have evade, only defense is parry or shield + chain.
whit 50+12 spear have little over 1500 weaponskill, not yet templated thou but not missing much from caps.

one fight against minstr taked over minute easily, both used ip:s etc, minstr zephyr etc, only to get killed by hib group after this 1+ min good fight.

few time have fight against vodka, once get nailed so fast never get her even visible, jumping and running thru, 2nd time fight lasted longer, thou was loosing even after ip etc but some mid caster nuked once and got spam, guess was loosing allready but close call.

 

[dub]

that the reason you rolled a warlock?

yes i rolled a lock because because hib stealthers complains about minor stuff like buffshears ?

im a bit slow , used to play trolls and stuff , better carve question in stone because it eluded my stony grip this time