Michael Jackson documentary

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Gwadien, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    It's not a witch hunt because, ding dong, the witch is already dead.

    It's child-abuse porn. Not of kids being abused, but rubbernecking gossip long after the fact.
     
  2. fettoken

    fettoken I am a FH squatter

    I'm astounded as to how the parents would let their children be with a grown ass man alone for a long period of time. Gross neglience right there.
     
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  3. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Rubbish.

    Most child abuse happens within families. I'm a grown-ass man. Given that I'm more likely to be an abuser of family members than a random, should my sister have never have left her daughters in my care?
     
  4. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    The people that usually get away with this kind of shit will not just groom a child, that's easy, they also groom the parents so that they become a permanent feature in the family.

    Obviously it's also very easy to do it if you're extremely famous and powerful.
     
  5. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    If you been through the courts twice with allegations they might at least have a talk with you about it and set boundaries.
     
  6. fettoken

    fettoken I am a FH squatter

    If you are pushing extensively for taking care of your sisters daughter, then she probably shouldn't. You see what i mean? But yeah, i do understand what you're saying as well.
     
  7. Exioce

    Exioce Part of the furniture FH Subscriber

    The director of the documentary has an opinion piece today that may be relevant to this thread.

    I’m shocked by those who still won’t accept Michael Jackson as abuser

     
  8. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    There's a thing Jack the Ripper suggesting that they've found the person that did it through DNA.

    My mate commented on facebook (jokingly) 'He aint alive to defend himself though'
     
  9. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    I've underlined the important part of your post @Exioce.

    I won't "accept" Michael Jackson as an abuser because he went to court and was found not guilty. It's not for me to decide whether he was an abuser or not. Certainly not off the back of a documentary.

    It may well be that that was a miscarriage of justice, but as he's now dead and can't go back to court then according to the laws of our society that fact can never be changed.

    All this documentary does is advance opinion, gossip and rumour. It can never be decided any other way. In other words - it's meaningless in terms of outcome and, importantly, undermines the rule of law.
     
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  10. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Nice exemplary point - What does it matter? DNA evidence is not 100% reliable, and he's long dead. What do we learn?

    Jack the Ripper is now a tourist attraction. The most important thing to do with him now is to keep a narrative in people's minds because it's a fascinating story that gets people to pony up money visiting London, buying books, watching TV series etc. etc.etc.

    It's fuck all to do with justice.

    Just like the MJ piece is now fuck all to do with that either.
     
  11. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Its the new justice.

    We have regressed.
     
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  12. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I just can't believe you think the investigation into Jimmy Saville was a waste of time lol.
     
  13. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    If you read what I've said above, rather than working yourself up into a hissy fit, then you'll clearly see I've not said that at all.

    I even engaged on the Saville point by saying that if the police had bothered doing their jobs and investigated the claims of people who'd claimed to have been abused - rather than just ignoring them, especially in the case of powerful people - then maybe yewtree wouldn't have been necessary in the first fucking place.

    But that's an entirely separate point from the thread isn't it @Gwadien. You've run out of argument against my points about justice, and now you're Bodhi-ing about Saville and making shit up that I've never said. :)
     
  14. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Yet again trial by entertainment.

    Funny though.
     
  15. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Just awesome level 10 fuck this shit, lets throw this crap back at them because I dont give a shit anymore.

    Well done Barbara.
     
  16. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

  17. Exioce

    Exioce Part of the furniture FH Subscriber

    It's an opinion piece about the cycle of abuse.
    What is your opinion on MJ after watching the documentary @Job?
     
  18. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    Hitler died before he could face a trial. His reputation shouldn't be dragged through the mud either.

    Courts or GTFO.
     
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  19. Exioce

    Exioce Part of the furniture FH Subscriber

    As an aside, OJ Simpson was acquitted in criminal court, but convicted in civil court.
    Michael Jackson was acquitted in criminal court, and settled his civil cases out of court.

    So you'll need to be more specific @Wij!
     
  20. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    From the article
    With Jackson we have, uniquely, witnessed an entire life of abuse played out in front of our eyes, in which the once-adorable little boy, whose father notoriously physically abused him, grew up to become himself the most notorious abuser in modern music.

    If he was alive that would be libel right there.

    My opinion?...its sensationalist and intended to make money for all involved
     
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  21. Exioce

    Exioce Part of the furniture FH Subscriber

    No, that's your opinion on the documentary. I asked what your opinion on Michael Jackson was after watching the documentary, specifically whether or not he was a paedophile.
     
  22. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    I have no idea whatsoever, many celebrities who knew him have called him celibate and non sexual, Macaully has defended him, the only people he has supposed to a have abused are young children who have strangely been introduced to him by their parents, even after the first trial, they were there again.

    Its suspicious both ways.

    I refuse to be swayed by edited, scripted , sensationalist accusations not under oath, by people who in to make a LOT of money out of it.
     
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  23. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Well, you've made it abundantly clear that your political figures shouldn't have any kind of moral compass so I'm not sure why that wouldn't extend to cultural figures too.

    I'm highly suspicious of the way that this one has caused so much attention when the allegations are by far the worst.

    It's almost as if there's an active cause to try and keep it quiet.
     
  24. Exioce

    Exioce Part of the furniture FH Subscriber

    Going to take this to mean that you refuse to watch the documentary, due to fear that your opinion of Michael Jackson may be swayed by watching it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  25. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    Different times for different crimes, alleged or not.
     
  26. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    The way the masses react to news stories that fit their prejudices is well documented and just a part of the mob mentality that we have.
    Remember the Landlord accused of killing his tenant, they made a TV docutainment of it.
    He looked a bit weird, had some odd habits, that was it, we had him strung up without an ounce of evidence.
    Jackson, fits all of those and simply even though there isn't a shred of actual evidence , his media constructed weirdness is all it takes for us to mark him.
     
  27. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Hitlers crimes are hardly just alleged, his instructions are documented and collaborated by hundreds.
     
  28. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    Hence the or not.
     

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