Michael Jackson documentary

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Gwadien, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    And we wonder why we have fake news.

    People just keep lapping up bullshit as long as its packaged just right.

    It doesnt matter if he did or not, there is no evidence and they are either honest victims or good actors.
    We cannot return to to witch hunts.

    As Homer said..'He must be guilty Marge, listen to the music'.
     
  2. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Who cares what "the truth" is? He's dead.

    Other than supporting people who were abused by him there's nothing we can do. But we'll never know "the truth" - we'll only have the allegations against him. And that's absolutely fine.

    Unless you're saying that we should start retrospectively going back and prosecuting the dead, what's to be gained from it?
     
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  3. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    Closure for the victims perhaps?
     
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  4. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    I think that’s where other people may differ from you.
     
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  5. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    and
    ...
    ....:rolleyes:

    I mean. I get it's an emotive subject. But I'm being very clear in what I'm typing.

    The *only* point I'm making is that court is where we decide "truth". Objective truth. Anything else is allegation, supposition and gossip. If Saville was alive I've no doubt he'd have been found guilty.

    But he isn't. And he wasn't. So meh. Help victims. That is all.

    Jackson was found not guilty. No matter what documentaries say after the court case. - which, lest we forget, is what this thread is about. - the documentary has *nothing* to offer. Nothing at all.
     
  6. BloodOmen

    BloodOmen I am a FH squatter

    Beat me to it. Imagine if someone said "who cares what Jimmy Saville did? he's dead now"
     
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  7. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Unfortunately in these times it would seem it has everything to offer.
     
  8. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I still don't understand why you're coming from this absolute legal stand point, it's such bollocks.

    Again, I think you should watch the documentary, I'm all for people calling them actors and that they're making it all up, but they don't know, and it appeared that there was plenty of evidence presented.

    I feel like this is taking the whole concept of 'trial by media' and radicalising it.
     
  9. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    What would the documentary do for me?

    Would making myself feel sad, outraged and disgusted do anything whatsoever?

    *What's the fucking point of it @Gwadien?*
     
  10. Deebs

    Deebs Chief Arsewipe Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

  11. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    Yes, but as I am sure you are aware, being found Not Guilty does not mean he was innocent, just there was enough doubt to mean he couldn't be found guilty (as in the OJ case, but then after watching that Netflix documentary, the wife and I weren't convinced OJ could be found Guilty beyond all reasonable doubt).

    I've only seen the second half of the MJ Documentary, and the evidence it presents is pretty compelling - my Spidey Senses do start tingling whenever someone's point is "I was lying before, I'm not now" - especially with the amount of money involved, but that is the only thing that makes me doubt the story. Other than that there seems to be far to much smoke for there not to be a fire at the bottom of it.
     
  12. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    The FBI "evidence" are files from the Sun(?) newspaper, which were included in the court case against him and, as the FBI say, "He was acquitted of all such charges".

    Looks. I don't care whether he was guilty or not. He's dead. The above is clearly just more food for gossip.

    Nice to see @Gwadien's ducked telling me what the actual point of the documentary is tho :)


    Edit:
    Yes. Yes it does mean that.

    Innocent until proven guilty. Being found "not guilty" means you must be treated as such. That's why you are "vindicated" when cleared of the charges against you.

    But he's dead anyway. This is all pointless, so this is my last post on it (unless Gwad grows a pair).

    Yeah, people who admit they're not trustworthy asking you to take them on trust. Must be why we have courts eh? :)
     
  13. Deebs

    Deebs Chief Arsewipe Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

    Apparently over 30 minutes was cut from the UK airing of the documentary.

    Have you seen this?

    View: https://twitter.com/nonamejustheree/status/1105161654118072320
     
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  14. Deebs

    Deebs Chief Arsewipe Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

    What?

    They are the actual files produced by the FBI showing no crime was commited. What the fuck has The Sun newspaper got to do with it?
     
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  15. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Ah - OK - click on the files. Say the first one. And scroll down.

    That's what I looked at, so I didn't bother going through the rest. Thought it was bizarre.
     
  16. Deebs

    Deebs Chief Arsewipe Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

    Basically they siezed all his Apple computers complete with images and found fuck all on any of them (2 of 7). It is quite an interesting read if you take the time to go through each set of documents.
     
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  17. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    Cool. But tbh, same applies. I could read that and come to a conclusion myself that he's not guilty. But that's not for me to decide. :)
     
  18. Exioce

    Exioce Part of the furniture FH Subscriber

  19. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    I'm not against "historic sexual abuse investigations" at all. Not for a second. The police (not documentary makers) should be all over that.

    I'd say that there's limited value in investigating suspects who are already dead - what are you going to achieve, and what aren't you investigating because you're spaffing money on Michael Jackson, for example (which they're not, but you get my point).

    If we can catch criminals, great. If they're alive.

    If not, we've got better places to spend limited funds. Such as attempting to stop knife crime deaths of actually-alive people.

    Do you not agree?
     
  20. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    The order usually goes private investigation (documentaries, books etc) -> criminal investigation. I'm fairly sure that's how the Jimmy Saville stuff happened and revealed a massive conspiracy by lots of people to do dodgy shit.

    What if Jackos investigation does the same thing? What if there's still fixers out there that can get some celebs some kids? What if? The way that happens is that people watch the documentary and then apply pressure to conduct an investigation, they might find stuff, they may not. The only thing that I would request is that it's done as discreetly as possible so Celebs lives aren't fucked even if they're innocent. That's how you moderate this snowflakey neo-libtard PC culture (or what ever the fuck you want to call it) you don't go full whack and just deny the legitimacy of any claims because from this point onwards everyone is a liar and is out to make money.
     
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  21. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Fair enough..but a shed load of people..powerful people.. have decided to skip the next step and go straight to guilty by accusation.
     
  22. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I'd say no, there's been a flip to everyone's innocent and everyone should stop making shit up.

    Why?
     
  23. Exioce

    Exioce Part of the furniture FH Subscriber

    No, we disagree on this one.
    You can see only limited value in investigating suspects who are already dead, despite Operation Yewtree cracking open a Pandora's box of arrests, convictions, accomplices, closure and validation for victims, and just all round culture change in the way we treat victims.

    If this documentary paves the way for America to achieve half of that it'll be a turning point in their culture, just like we had - even if it's not sunk in for everybody.
     
  24. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

    From your link:
    There you go. Real people being investigated. The original problem was the police refusing to believe victims when they came forward.

    So police should investigate people. Live people. When accused. As I said.

    Then yewtree and fucking documentaries wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

    I disagree that we disagree strongly :)
     
  25. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    If I remember correctly the law is quite different in the US compared to the UK when accusing someone of something, it tends to be easier to do and harder for the accused as they must prove it isn't true or something....which naturally is very hard to do when you are dead.
     
  26. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

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  27. Ctuchik

    Ctuchik FH is my second home

    Many did, don't think he got convicted once.
     
  28. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

  29. Scouse

    Scouse Glyphosate-fuelled tumor-boy FH Subscriber

  30. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Paris Jackson attempts suicide.

    Time to bring some facts into this farcical witch hunt.
     

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