Merry Xmas the Israeli Way

[tierk]

Sorry but us and the yanks get slaughtered for that kind of thing. so unless you say fair enough when the yanks to level a building to kill a sniper you can not say it here.

I think its fair enough why should you risk your soldiers getting hurt when you can kill the enemy with no risk to yourself, just don't think it should be ok for some not for others.

Israel is a special case you see. If you criticise them you are clearly a Nazi and a Jew hater. They are allowed to ignore all rules of law and acceptable norms of behaviour whenever they choose to do so.

When the IDF uses human shields its acceptable to do so. If anyone else does its a war crime!! Drop a 1,000 pound bomb on a house to kill one person and kill 20 innocent women and children in the process is acceptable after all they are not Jews. However, when one Israeli civilian is killed its terrorism plain and simple and those evil "ragheads" must pay!!

Hypocrisy plain and simple.

 

[aika]

When does IDF use human shields?
also I find it really hilarious that you're talking about hipocrisy, when all muslims are allowed to spout shit on everyone else, but if you just draw their prophet in some cartoon then all the infidels must die and its ok.
or when its ok to launch rockets on populated civilian centers of a country and then demand power and food supply from the same country.

 

[Olgaline]

made me chuckle...

 

[Olgaline]

http://bp2.blogger.com/_BERLX7Rwhmg...ACM/pdq7amH-yX8/s1600-h/Middle+east+funny.jpg

 

[Zenith]

I feel so much for the innocent israelis and palestinians living whithin the both target areas, minding their business below the airstrikes or rockets.

 

[Zede]

when you use mosques and populated neighbourhoods as a cover to fire rockets from then dont come and cry when the next time you do it, the neighbourhood is leveled to the ground by a cluster bomb.

You know nothing about how badly the Israelies have treated the palestinians for more than a generation. They have every right to fire as many rockets from as many mosques as they like. If just one, one arab nation openly declared full financial support for say Hamas, welcome to WW3. Be glad its just RPGs & molotov.

i would advise everyone to read "Palestine" by joe sacco. it opened my eyes years ago when 99% of the world press was biased towards the zionists.

 

[tierk]

When does IDF use human shields?

IDF soldiers use Nablus youths as ?human shield? - Israel News, Ynetnews

B'Tselem - Human Shields - 20 July 2006: Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun

Never it would seem right?

also I find it really hilarious that you're talking about hipocrisy, when all muslims are allowed to spout shit on everyone else, but if you just draw their prophet in some cartoon then all the infidels must die and its ok..

I am not talking about Islam or Muslims or Jews as a matter of there religious views and if you would like to talk about Islam feel free to open a thread about it and i will be ahppy to cross swords with you.

I know you dont like to talk about what yur government does on a daily basis in the occupied lands of Palestine because clearly you dont have a leg to stand on. As a result of this you will try and distract and avoid anything remotely resembling a debate because you know full well that your every argument is indefensible.

Instead you will try and goad and make comments that are purely designed to get a reaction, which you will never get from me, because i am not an Arab and i have had this type of responses across a hoste of other forums that i use.

or when its ok to launch rockets on populated civilian centers of a country and then demand power and food supply from the same country.

lol yes because they do this without any real reason. Oh those mad Arabs just hate us because we are Jews and they all must be relatives of Hitler, yes yes its true!!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Instead you will try and goad and make comments that are purely designed to get a reaction, which you will never get from me, because i am not an Arab and i have had this type of responses across a hoste of other forums that i use.

Interesting how that goes, slight OT, that since you live there, you must be an arab. Silly people

I personally never thought of you as an arab but as, hell, a brit living there or some such. Which is assuming too i know.

 

[Hawkwind]

How in Gods name did Iran get missles into Palestine now?? You couldnt get a fucking flea past the embargo that has been imposed on Gaza, for fuck knows how long and yet some how Iran has magically sent missles to Hamas????

As for breaking the cease fire, why dont you go and find out what the terms of the cease fire where in the first place? The lifting of the seige of Gaza was one of the terms and conditions of the cease fire. Allowing two trucks a year carrying emergency supplies into the Strip is not a lifting of the siege by any stretch of the imagination.

Completly stopping the missle attacks was another one of the terms of the cease fire. The only attacks that have occured consistently throughout the cease fire have been from the Al-Aqsa Brigades - funded funnily enough by Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah (who i would suspect would have every reason not to want Hamas to succeed) and Islamic Jihad, yet another group that is not under Hamas control.

Another Hamas Peace Plan Ignored

Follow the above link and read what has been offered by Hamas before and refused outright. Read into what the implications are of the offer that offer are.

Well, all the news artricles I read including those here in Gulf News said Hamas fired the rockets. It is very well known who pays Hamas and pays for their weapons. It's always been Iran.

As for getting them in, they get them in through Syria and the Lebanon.

 

[tierk]

Well, all the news artricles I read including those here in Gulf News said Hamas fired the rockets. It is very well known who pays Hamas and pays for their weapons. It's always been Iran.

Your lack of knowledge is pretty clear. You are correct that Iran is the financial backer of Hamas but the rockets that you are speaking about are home made ones and not produced in Iran as you seem to think.

The link below will help clear up your misconceptions.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Gaza's rocket threat to Israel

As for getting them in, they get them in through Syria and the Lebanon.

Once again your complete lack of knowledge is astounding. Do Lebanon or Syria have any sort of border with Gaza? Have you heard of the siege of Gaza? Do you know what this is.......

Israel?Gaza Strip barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try harder to change what is essentially a Jewish debate into a Iran one because quite clearly Iran is so involved with what is going on in Gaza and clearly Israel has nothing to do with it.

 

[Hawkwind]

I promise you i know enough about history to make statements that are factually correct.At no point do i say that the Jews where some how fighting against the Arabs in the crusades. If you could maybe read what i have posted first before you try, yet again on this issue, to put words into my mouth.

Crusaders were in Palestine for a good 200 years. Fact. The Jews have been in Palestine for 60 odd years. Fact. You have an issue with me stating the truth? I am not, as you are insinuating, stating that the Jews where some how involved in the Crusades, the fact is that they suffered the same fate. All i am pointing out is the fact that it took the Arabs the best part of 200 years to kick the invaders out last time and that this time round will probably be just as long, if not longer.

You know enough to make factually correct statements but don't know the difference between Jews and the state of Israel that was created 60 years ago.

The Crusaders where in the 'holy lands' for over 200 years, so what the Moors were in spain for nearly 400.

"Jews in the Palestine for 60 years", are you f*cking joking? They have been in they holy lands including Palestine long before the muslim faith even began with Mohammed putting pen to paper in Medina. Mohammed even states in the Koran that along with Christianity the Jews should be treated as brothers all believing in the one true god. That kind of statement is one I'd expect of an illiterate hate filled idiot not an educated man. There is ahuge diffenece between Jew and Israel!

Once again please read what i post and trying reply to what i am saying if you are going to quote me rather then what you think i am saying. I am pretty clear in my post Please note the part in BOLD!

I did, including the 300 million Arabs surrounding the state of Israel. I think you need to look up some population figures because 300 mill looks way too high. Palestine (4 mill), Lebanon (4 mill), Syria (20 mill), Jordan (6 mill), Saudi (27 mill) and Egypt (76 mill). When you also consider that these are not all muslim Arabs (Syria only 80%) and countries like Saudi include all the foreign expat workers with resident visa's, the figures are even lower. Christ even if you include Yemen, Iraq and the gulf countries your still out by 100 mill. Great Facts!

If you are so concerned about the plight of the Jews, after a fellow European tried to wipe them out, why dont Europeans give them land? Why should the Arabs be forced to pay the price for German crimes?

Let me get this straight, my being European means that we are associated with what the Nazi's did in WW II? You may want to re-think that one as is was Britain and her allies that fought against them! Or do your history books teach a new version of what happened? I know your beloved lunatic President has said it didn't even happen so maybe you have been taught incorrect facts and don't know any better!

Secondly, who made the boundries up for those Arab countries and who put the Palestinians there? Prior to those borders being there many of the Arab tribes were nomadic. Again, the Jews were in that region long before Islam.

Just once more in case you missed this I don't believe that the creation of the Israeli state was correct. But, don't get that confused with jews having the right to live there. They have been there for thousands of years not 60!

frankly i dont think you are even slgihtly qualified to make that judgement and if you want to hear what Arabs really feel try to watch any of the Arab news channels - Al Jazeera English isnt a really good one as it is aimed at a Englsih speaking target audience - and see what every single caller to any programme relating to the current crisis.

Your opinion and your entitled to it. The fact that I have lived in the Middle East for 8 years in total and work with Arabs should give me a little insight. Also, the Arab nations were not willing to help with land in 1947 - FACT! FACT they give a little money, not enough! The EU gave more FFS!They do provide some aid, food and clothing. They could do so much more. The fact is they care, but not enough.

Comment from a local UAE man (our companies PRO) in his 50's, "Palestinian's are gypsies, we feel sorry for them only because they are our Muslim brothers. They always leave a mess where ever they go"

 

[Raven]

So...Would anyone like to hear the story of Jesus?

 

[Ctuchik]

One day we'll have a Christmas day without bloodshed =(

yeah but when that day comes humanity wont be around to witness it...

 

[old.Tohtori]

So...Would anyone like to hear the story of Jesus?

Which one, the cool or oldschool one?

'cause if there ain't no halfnaked cheerleaders, swordfights and atleast one well placed use of the word "motherfucker", i ain't listening

yeah but when that day comes humanity wont be around to witness it...

Also santamas used to be about black santas, fear, scaring kids into being good, drunks, gluttony, fights and booze.

These days...pssh..

 

[Zede]

Hawkwind...this is the biggest scandal in history. The jews were not in Palestine/Israel before the arabs.

When the peoples who lived in Palestine were "deported" to Egypt - they did NOT worship any sort of hebrew god. They worshipped Baal. It was only in exile they "converted" & became jews.

The jewish people, or cannanites did NOT have a spiritual home in Palestine. The birth of judaism was not in Israel. An idol worshipping rag tag bunch of tribal peoples did not have a claim on the land they vacated 200 years previously. And oh yes, EVEN BACK THEN ! what did the new jews do to the thriving populous that had been there for 200 years ? Wipe them all out.....

 

[Hawkwind]

Your lack of knowledge is pretty clear. You are correct that Iran is the financial backer of Hamas but the rockets that you are speaking about are home made ones and not produced in Iran as you seem to think.

The link below will help clear up your misconceptions.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Gaza's rocket threat to Israel


Once again your complete lack of knowledge is astounding. Do Lebanon or Syria have any sort of border with Gaza? Have you heard of the siege of Gaza? Do you know what this is.......

Ever heard of boats!

Hamas operate out of West Bank, Gaza, Syria and Lebanon. They could move stuff by sea in small fast boats or via the Egyptian side into Gaza. This is where they were launched so presumably that's how they got in. Isreal patrols the waters but like the drugs war, where there is a will there is a way! I don't know how they do it and don't pretend to either.

Try harder to change what is essentially a Jewish debate into a Iran one because quite clearly Iran is so involved with what is going on in Gaza and clearly Israel has nothing to do with it.

Priceless. You go about Jews only being there for 60 fucking years and when you get corrected you come up with this! Your the one that is continually confusing the creation of the State of Israel with Jews and where they have lived for the last few thousand years!

Regarding Iran's involvement, the fact is that if the gangs of thugs like Hamas were starved of money they would have to go forward with peace. All the time they are given money and arms the violence will continue. The world would not idly sit by watching one side annihilate the other. All the time it keeps on with these tit for tat exchanges of violence the world in general will not give a damn!

 

[Hawkwind]

Hawkwind...this is the biggest scandal in history. The jews were not in Palestine/Israel before the arabs.

When the peoples who lived in Palestine were "deported" to Egypt - they did NOT worship any sort of hebrew god. They worshipped Baal. It was only in exile they "converted" & became jews.

The jewish people, or cannanites did NOT have a spiritual home in Palestine. The birth of judaism was not in Israel. An idol worshipping rag tag bunch of tribal peoples did not have a claim on the land they vacated 200 years previously. And oh yes, EVEN BACK THEN ! what did the new jews do to the thriving populous that had been there for 200 years ? Wipe them all out.....

Yes, I know the origins of Judaism. I wasn't going right back to the origins mate. Just making the point that there is a huge difference between Jews living in the region for thousands of years and the creation of the Israeli State 60 years ago. Something the thread starter was continually doing.

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

so its all Hitlers fault ?

 

[soze]

so its all Hitlers fault ?

No it was Edward Bloch's fault if he did not kill Hitlers Mum Hitler would have become an artist!

 

[old.Tohtori]

No it was Edward Bloch's fault if he did not kill Hitlers Mum Hitler would have become an artist!

Actually i believe it's Robert Eigenbergers' fault, the director of Viennas Academy of Fine Arts, where Hitler applied as a student.

Ah, sorry, he wasn't there at the time, but a good 15 years later.

Anyway, point stands.

though basically you could blame hitler for not having a certificate from his old school to prove he quit/was done there.

 

[Hawkwind]

those evil "ragheads" must pay!!

Hypocrisy plain and simple.

Bit like you using the term Crusader which is now a slant used by some Muslims towards the West.

 

[soze]

Actually i believe it's Robert Eigenbergers' fault, the director of Viennas Academy of Fine Arts, where Hitler applied as a student.

Ah, sorry, he wasn't there at the time, but a good 15 years later.

Anyway, point stands.

though basically you could blame hitler for not having a certificate from his old school to prove he quit/was done there.

Never it was the fact a Jew killed his Mum that caused him to give up art and start killing

 

[old.Tohtori]

Never it was the fact a Jew killed his Mum that caused him to give up art and start killing

If i remember correctly, he started hating the jew way of life, or jews in general, when he was in vienna already before his mother was killed.

But, i know a few people here who would go on a rampage on certain groups of people if they did something wrong to them too

 

[Raven]

Yeah but Hitler was ultimately a fuckwit

 

[dub]

isnt disproportionate response mentioned somewhere in the geneva protocols ?

refusing to negotiate with hamas leaves only military solutions on the table , they are most often messy and very rarely permanent.

allways thought it was eye for an eye in hebrew law , but seems its heads arms torso testicles and eyes for an eye

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah but Hitler was ultimately a fuckwit

Not sure about that, a homicidal maniac with a "bit" of a mean streak and too much on his plate, but i'm quite sure he was as polite as any man from that era in any position of power or upbringing.

In those days, f*ckwits didn't even amount to anything i believe.

But yeah, not a nice man

 

[Lethul]

One day we'll have a Christmas day without bloodshed =(

Idd, when people have forgotten about all those fiction religious books they base their religions on we will have peace

 

[old.Tohtori]

Idd, when people have forgotten about all those fiction religious books they base their religions on we will have peace

I can't help it, i'm sorry, really, REALLY sorry...but i just..must...point...out...the...irony!

Religious books, peaceful christmas.

For f*cks sake :lol:

 

[Bugz]

I can't help it, i'm sorry, really, REALLY sorry...but i just..must...point...out...the...irony!

Religious books, peaceful christmas.

For f*cks sake :lol:

That's only ironic if you celebrate Christmas for it's religious purposes.

A lot of us don't.

 

[Lamp]

A lot of us don't.

As far as the UK's concerned, I'd go so far as to say *MOST* people don't. Something like 1 million people went to church on christmas day here. Thats what ? 1 in 60 ? something like that.