Merry Xmas the Israeli Way

[tierk]

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Massive Israeli air raids on Gaza

Makes great reading.

 

[Lamp]

You play with fire...

 

[Raven]

I hope someone does something about those *****, quickly.

 

[soze]

The response seems abit strong would be like England sending planes to Bomb Ireland for IRA attacks. But you can only prod someone stronger than you for so long before they prod back.

 

[Jeremiah]

One day we'll have a Christmas day without bloodshed =(

 

[Olgaline]

that would be unlikely, it's just human nature....

 

[Platin]

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Massive Israeli air raids on Gaza

Makes great reading.

Hamas got the reaction they were looking for.

 

[Azurus]

Hamas got the reaction they were looking for.

True, Hamas have openly stated they wish to elicit a harsh Israeli response so as to turn world opinion against them.

 

[Chronictank]

True, Hamas have openly stated they wish to elicit a harsh Israeli response so as to turn world opinion against them.

every strike qill just bolster hamas's and such organisations ranks, its in their interest to get Israel's back up

Equally Israel hardly want a end to the conflict so it will never be resolved

 

[russell]

Why are human beings so vile to each other?

 

[Mabs]

The response seems abit strong would be like England sending planes to Bomb Ireland for IRA attacks. But you can only prod someone stronger than you for so long before they prod back.

last time i checked Hamas are still technically a terrorist organisation, so its more like us sending planes to bomb the taleban..oh wait...

and i believe hamas are also on record as saying that one of their aims is the destruction of israel, so its hardly suprising the israelies dont really want to chat with them now is it

 

[Raven]

No, they would rather use it as an excuse to bulldoze peoples houses and build Israeli ones.

 

[soze]

last time i checked Hamas are still technically a terrorist organisation, so its more like us sending planes to bomb the taleban..oh wait...

and i believe hamas are also on record as saying that one of their aims is the destruction of israel, so its hardly suprising the israelies dont really want to chat with them now is it

And the IRA when blowing up shopping centers were not considered a terrorist organization?

 

[aika]

they were asking for it, heating the public opinion in Israel, so the government had to respond

 

[Tasslehoff]

And the IRA when blowing up shopping centers were not considered a terrorist organization?

You do not see the differences between IRA and Hamas, and why the comparison doesn't work?

 

[aika]

when you use mosques and populated neighbourhoods as a cover to fire rockets from then dont come and cry when the next time you do it, the neighbourhood is leveled to the ground by a cluster bomb.

 

[Mabs]

And the IRA when blowing up shopping centers were not considered a terrorist organization?

if the IRA were blowing up 2 shopping centres a week, it might be a worthwhile comparison

 

[soze]

You do not see the differences between IRA and Hamas, and why the comparison doesn't work?

In terms of the way a government with superior military power reacts to terrorist attacks on them no i do not see the difference.

 

[Belgerath]

Then your just being nieve thinking that most of the IRA came from Ireland when infact they came from Northern Ireland.

Which looking around and in my wallet is still part of the UK....

 

[Blackjack]

Is it unfortunate that civilians are dying? Yes.
But the situation in the region is just not a viable one.
And i don't really care if some of you hate me for saying this, but the main problem here is Hamas, not Israel.
It's in the Hamas' charter... the destruction of the state Israel.
What is Israel suppose to do? Hamas' is now the offcial ruling party, that sends a pretty clear message.
Israel can wait while Hamas builds up their strength in an attempt to attack them. Ignore the constant rocket attacks. And continue to provide the Gaza strip with what it needs to keep those same people that wish to destroy them alive. If Israel wanted to, everyone in the Gaza strip would have to either leave, or die. They don't even have to attack Gaza, they can just shut off the supply completely and let people die in their own shit.
How can you expect a country, under attack, to simply turn the other cheek, and continue supporting those very people.

The international community can do nothing, because the civilian populace already lives in squaller and any kind if sanction will put the final nail in the coffin.

Another part of the hamas charter states that; there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad, holy war.
They want this war, the problem is they can't win, so they keep poking the bear, and when they get a response, they run off crying.


Again, the civilian casualties are terrible. And Israel definitely bares blame aswell. But the whole situation is not working. And wont ever work until; Palestine revokes its plan to destroy Israel, or Israel packs up the entire country and fucks off. Which is the most reasonable request?

 

[Mabs]

The international community wont do anything, because its our fault and we dont like to revisit it

fixed
dont believe me ? zimbabwe anyone ?

also the israelies have many nukes they are sitting on, if the palestinians look like they are winning the whole area will go up in a mushroom cloud, so its all "softly softly"

otherwise, your basically right

 

[Blackjack]

zimbabwe anyone ?

That is a whole other kettle of fish.
Listening to that guy say "Zimbabwe.. is mine."
Was just fucking mindblowing. I mean, wtf?
Could he be any more cartoon villainy?! Put a stupid purple outfit on him and he is straight out of Marvel.
Zimbabwe.. is mine. Shit. ^^

 

[Tasslehoff]

In terms of the way a government with superior military power reacts to terrorist attacks on them no i do not see the difference.

As BJ pointed out, Hamas is the ruling party. That means they are the official political view of the country, therefore there is more sense in bombing the country than there would be in your comparison with the IRA.

So your first comparison doesn't make any sense.

 

[soze]

As BJ pointed out, Hamas is the ruling party. That means they are the official political view of the country, therefore there is more sense in bombing the country than there would be in your comparison with the IRA.

So your first comparison doesn't make any sense.

So you do not think the British Government could have bombed IRA weapons Caches and training camps and know strong holds saying fuck any collateral damage we were killing Terrorists. My Original line was i though bombing the place was too hard of a response and would be just like England Bombing Ireland to kill the IRA and i stand by that.

 

[tierk]

Every dog has its day and the Israeli's are having their day, for now. If we have can learn anything from history its that The time of the Palestinians will come too it is inevitable.

Its inevitable that Jewish state in its current form, will disappear, regardless of how many Palestinians they kill today, tommorow and the day after. The demographic bomb is bigger then any aerial assualt and 100 more of a problem then anything Hamas could cook up in a bomb making factory. I want to see what will happen to the Israeli's when the Palestinians, who currently make up 20% of the jewish state, will outnumber the Jews.

 

[aika]

Every dog has its day and the Israeli's are having their day, for now. If we have can learn anything from history its that The time of the Palestinians will come too it is inevitable.

Its inevitable that Jewish state in its current form, will disappear, regardless of how many Palestinians they kill today, tommorow and the day after. The demographic bomb is bigger then any aerial assualt and 100 more of a problem then anything Hamas could cook up in a bomb making factory. I want to see what will happen to the Israeli's when the Palestinians, who currently make up 20% of the jewish state, will outnumber the Jews.

I wonder how arab countries would fare now if they didnt have any oil.

 

[Jeremiah]

Its inevitable that Jewish state in its current form, will disappear, regardless of how many Palestinians they kill today, tommorow and the day after. The demographic bomb is bigger then any aerial assualt and 100 more of a problem then anything Hamas could cook up in a bomb making factory. I want to see what will happen to the Israeli's when the Palestinians, who currently make up 20% of the jewish state, will outnumber the Jews.

If the Jews make up 80% of the population, why would this shrink? Do they have less children than the Palestinians? Coupled with the continuous influx of Jews back to Israel, I don't seem them being "out-bred" any time soon =)

 

[tierk]

I wonder how arab countries would fare now if they didnt have any oil.

I wonder how Israel would fare without America.

 

[tierk]

If the Jews make up 80% of the population, why would this shrink? Do they have less children than the Palestinians? Coupled with the continuous influx of Jews back to Israel, I don't seem them being "out-bred" any time soon =)

Eventually they must either give Palestinians a state of there own in the West Bank & Gaza or they must incorporate them into a greater Israel. Option 1 is one that quite clearly they will never allow and therefore option two will eventually have to take place. That would reduce that ratio quite effectively (80/20).

Also lets not forget the Palestinians that are currently living in nieghbouring countries which is another 4,000,000 odd who the Jewish state is trying its hardest to make the world forget - quite effectively as well in the West it would seem - that will at some point have to be addressed.

The continuos influx of Jews that you speak of peaks and troughs depending on circumstances on the ground, the more they getting terrorised the less they come.

Last but not least the fact that Israel is surronded by 300,000,000 Arabs on all sides is also a factor which, can be ignored for now but not forever.

I know people will laugh at the comparision but it took the Arabs 200 odd years to kick out the Crusaders and it is inevitable that they will do the same again it is just a matter of time.

If you have studied any history you will know that no empire /kingdom lasts forever. This particular invasion has only been going for 60 odd years and trust me it can continue for another 200 years.

BTW as a foot note.

There is saying in this part of the world, along the lines of - Dont look at a Palestinian woman, as she is liable to get pregnant and with twins to boot!!

 

[aika]

I wonder how Israel would fare without America.

the same way it fared until 1973