Merry Xmas the Israeli Way

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i blame aika for being israeli ;p

 

[aika]

drafted into army soon again ;<
in the middle of uni exams ffs

 

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lol dress up as a woman and call yourself ikea

 

[Chronictank]

the same way it fared until 1973

Surely you mean 1917? (in which case i assume you are refering to when the original populous who are now the minority (by heritage obviously) co-existed )
Israel was Britains bitch until 1948 then grew links with America in 1949 if i remember correctly

While you are the last person to be neutral, surely even you see the folly of illegally carpet bombing a country because of insurgents (considering Palestines standing army is not doing the attacks)

Someone needs to stop first, the problem is neither side wants to
The only people who will ultimately suffer is the palestinian civilians who subsequetly will hate israelis for it the same way the israeli propoganda machine does incites the inverse

 

[Chronictank]

edit timer:
Israel is not a innocent party forced into action like you build up
They have created this situation themselves by systematically destroying an economy, creating unemployment and poverty resulting in deperate people who are easily influenced by radicalisation.
That is exactly what Hamas want, as at the end of the day they haven't really got all that much going for them

Personally i dont see why Israel dont just give up some of the land they took and remove the reason for this conflict, or maybe even make the West Bank an independant state taking a bit from both sides as well as honouring the originally agreed UN resolutions
Hamas would have no leg to stand on other than their "death to jews" crap, and if conditions within the country improved i doubt their support base would remain as big as it is

 

[old.Tohtori]

Do they even celebrate santamas there? If not, it's just "another day in Baghdad" (insert shrugging muslim here)

In all seriousness though, is a massive airstrike the one where they drop WoW and WAR boxes all over the gaza?

 

[Hawkwind]

Can't believe you started a thread on the news of the retaliatory air strikes. Why not the previous day when the Iranian backed Hamas broke the cease fire and fired 40 plus Iranian supplied rockets as far as 13 miles into various parts of Israel. All the time the Palestinian's allow Hamas free reign in Palestine there will never be any peace.

Don't agree with either side but trying to present one side of the story is fairly typical for this region and not helpful.

 

[aika]

Surely you mean 1917? (in which case i assume you are refering to when the original populous who are now the minority (by heritage obviously) co-existed )
Israel was Britains bitch until 1948 then grew links with America in 1949 if i remember correctly

While you are the last person to be neutral, surely even you see the folly of illegally carpet bombing a country because of insurgents (considering Palestines standing army is not doing the attacks)

Someone needs to stop first, the problem is neither side wants to
The only people who will ultimately suffer is the palestinian civilians who subsequetly will hate israelis for it the same way the israeli propoganda machine does incites the inverse

We only allied with the USA in the 70's. Untill 1967 our major ally was France ;(

 

[aika]

edit timer:
Israel is not a innocent party forced into action like you build up
They have created this situation themselves by systematically destroying an economy, creating unemployment and poverty resulting in deperate people who are easily influenced by radicalisation.
That is exactly what Hamas want, as at the end of the day they haven't really got all that much going for them

Personally i dont see why Israel dont just give up some of the land they took and remove the reason for this conflict, or maybe even make the West Bank an independant state taking a bit from both sides as well as honouring the originally agreed UN resolutions
Hamas would have no leg to stand on other than their "death to jews" crap, and if conditions within the country improved i doubt their support base would remain as big as it is

well we gave up that land, we removed all the settlements from Gaza Strip, there're no jews living there now.
As you can see it didnt help much, I dont see why we should give them food and have open borders policy? They can trade and get electricity from Egypt, they share a border with them too.
I'm all for building a wall or a border so we dont see each other.

 

[aika]

what I find most hilarious is that a few days ago, a kassam rocket accidentally hit a palestinian building killing 2 children and wounding the father. the father received treatment in an Israeli hospital.
Yet all the news are silent and no one mentions it, however when children die because of an israeli attack (because those cowards usually usual populace as human shields) you see all the media going in a shitstorm.

 

[old.Tohtori]

what I find most hilarious is that a few days ago, a kassam rocket accidentally hit a palestinian building killing 2 children and wounding the father. the father received treatment in an Israeli hospital.
Yet all the news are silent and no one mentions it, however when children die because of an israeli attack (because those cowards usually usual populace as human shields) you see all the media going in a shitstorm.

The army will surely remove all this "independent thinking" and other malarky from your head

 

[Hawkwind]

Last but not least the fact that Israel is surronded by 300,000,000 Arabs on all sides is also a factor which, can be ignored for now but not forever.

I know people will laugh at the comparision but it took the Arabs 200 odd years to kick out the Crusaders and it is inevitable that they will do the same again it is just a matter of time.

How ignorant of history can you be? The bloody jews fought alongside the Arabs during the failed second Catholic Crusade. I absolutely hate the use of the term crusaders as its used by most of the demonic clerics that spout hate filled sermons direct at west in general. The fact that your now using it for the Jews as well quite frankly amazes me.

As for the Arab's surrounding Israel. They can barely contain their hatred of each other let alone reach a common concencus on anything other than oil prices. They are so fractured by religious and tribal boundary's they will never get on. Maybe they need another Englishmen to unite the tribes again!

Back as early as 1947 Britain tried to get the Arab's to give land to the Palestinian's, all refused. To most Arab's they are just a cause celeb. Others with more sinister motives use it to demonise the west, nurturing another generation of hate filled brainwashed suicide bombers.

/rant off

 

[Gorbachioo]

Eventually they must either give Palestinians a state of there own in the West Bank & Gaza or they must incorporate them into a greater Israel. Option 1 is one that quite clearly they will never allow and therefore option two will eventually have to take place. That would reduce that ratio quite effectively (80/20).

Also lets not forget the Palestinians that are currently living in nieghbouring countries which is another 4,000,000 odd who the Jewish state is trying its hardest to make the world forget - quite effectively as well in the West it would seem - that will at some point have to be addressed.

The continuos influx of Jews that you speak of peaks and troughs depending on circumstances on the ground, the more they getting terrorised the less they come.

Last but not least the fact that Israel is surronded by 300,000,000 Arabs on all sides is also a factor which, can be ignored for now but not forever.

I know people will laugh at the comparision but it took the Arabs 200 odd years to kick out the Crusaders and it is inevitable that they will do the same again it is just a matter of time.

If you have studied any history you will know that no empire /kingdom lasts forever. This particular invasion has only been going for 60 odd years and trust me it can continue for another 200 years.

BTW as a foot note.

There is saying in this part of the world, along the lines of - Dont look at a Palestinian woman, as she is liable to get pregnant and with twins to boot!!

Why is it that muslims always turn out to be raving lunatics when you talk politics with them?

Im sure some retard here will take that as a "racist" comment but once again: Islam is not a race so fuck off.

Hitler had his turn. Im sure you'll get yours.

As for the topic itself: Both sides (meaning the israeli goverment and hamas) benefit from the situation so they'll do keep doing what they are doing until someone with a brain stops them. So obviously the solution has to come from outside the middle east.

 

[Raven]

You know its going to be a good thread when you get Gorbo spouting his comedy!

/Opens up the popcorn stand

I say we invade Israel and then blockade Iran.

 

[old.Tohtori]

As for the topic itself: Both sides (meaning the israeli goverment and hamas) benefit from the situation so they'll do keep doing what they are doing until someone with a brain stops them. So obviously the solution has to come from outside the middle east.

And then people will scream "US is sticking their nose in other peoples affairs again!", no happy time no way

Also i'd like to pointt out the flaw of saying "always", 'cause A: it's not always unless you've talked to every muslim(or a considerable amount of variables of such) and B: saying something is something always, is as something as the original meaning of ones judgement

Just saying, you can say it ofcourse, no complaint here, carry on *grabs chair*

 

[aika]

The army will surely remove all this "independent thinking" and other malarky from your head

already was there for 3 years ;x

 

[aika]

at least we are not acting like Russia, carpet bombing entire cities and erasing villages off the map (hi der chechnya 1996), though I sometimes wish we should =\

 

[old.Tohtori]

already was there for 3 years ;x

Yeah, must be a spy on these forums who noticed your free thinking and reported you back and now you have to go get sanitized again

 

[Gorbachioo]

And then people will scream "US is sticking their nose in other peoples affairs again!", no happy time no way

Also i'd like to pointt out the flaw of saying "always", 'cause A: it's not always unless you've talked to every muslim(or a considerable amount of variables of such) and B: saying something is something always, is as something as the original meaning of ones judgement

Just saying, you can say it ofcourse, no complaint here, carry on *grabs chair*

How many times have we gone trough this same argument? Im not going there anymore.

Anyways, you have to admit tierk sounds like a nazi. And hes supposed to be one of the moderate ones.

 

[old.Tohtori]

How many times have we gone trough this same argument? Im not going there anymore.

Anyways, you have to admit tierk sounds like a nazi. And hes supposed to be one of the moderate ones.

It's not an argument, i was just saying, as it's a fact. Not ALL are if SOME are. How many muslims have you talked politics with anyway?

And no, i don't have to admit anything, since i don't think so.

There, nice, clean, argument free, now drop it.

 

[fettoken]

Why are human beings so vile to each other?

Because behaviour from the past lives on in many peoples culture. Damned vermin

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

its ok, Tony Blair said that they have weapons of mass destruction that can blow us all up in ten minutes, or was that something else.....

 

[Zenith.UK]

If you prod a bear with a stick, don't be surprised when it turns around and has a go at you. This is exactly what has happened with Hamas prodding Israel.

My point is that Israel's "We'll do what we want, the rest of the world can go to hell" attitude will ultimately lead to the country's undoing. Sure, you can retaliate when someone attacks you, but there is retaliating and then there is disproportionate response. One day Israel's response will be so disproportionate that the Arab countries surrounding it will have enough, unite together and effectively blockade the country. I'm not giving a timescale, just that it would happen if Israel pushes too hard
If Israel ever used their nukes, even for self-defence, they will be signing the country's death warrant.

 

[tierk]

How ignorant of history can you be? The bloody jews fought alongside the Arabs during the failed second Catholic Crusade. I absolutely hate the use of the term crusaders as its used by most of the demonic clerics that spout hate filled sermons direct at west in general. The fact that your now using it for the Jews as well quite frankly amazes me.

I promise you i know enough about history to make statements that are factually correct. At no point do i say that the Jews where some how fighting against the Arabs in the crusades. If you could maybe read what i have posted first before you try, yet again on this issue, to put words into my mouth.

Crusaders were in Palestine for a good 200 years. Fact. The Jews have been in Palestine for 60 odd years. Fact. You have an issue with me stating the truth? I am not, as you are insinuating, stating that the Jews where some how involved in the Crusades, the fact is that they suffered the same fate. All i am pointing out is the fact that it took the Arabs the best part of 200 years to kick the invaders out last time and that this time round will probably be just as long, if not longer.

As for the Arab's surrounding Israel. They can barely contain their hatred of each other let alone reach a common concencus on anything other than oil prices. They are so fractured by religious and tribal boundary's they will never get on. Maybe they need another Englishmen to unite the tribes again!

Once again please read what i post and trying reply to what i am saying if you are going to quote me rather then what you think i am saying. I am pretty clear in my post

Last but not least the fact that Israel is surronded by 300,000,000 Arabs on all sides is also a factor which, can be ignored for now but not forever.

Please note the part in BOLD!

Back as early as 1947 Britain tried to get the Arab's to give land to the Palestinian's, all refused.

If you are so concerned about the plight of the Jews, after a fellow European tried to wipe them out, why dont Europeans give them land? Why should the Arabs be forced to pay the price for German crimes?

To most Arab's they are just a cause celeb.

Quite frankly i dont think you are even slgihtly qualified to make that judgement and if you want to hear what Arabs really feel try to watch any of the Arab news channels - Al Jazeera English isnt a really good one as it is aimed at a Englsih speaking target audience - and see what every single caller to any programme relating to the current crisis.

Why is it that muslims always turn out to be raving lunatics when you talk politics with them?

Firstly i never talk politics with you because you are a grade "A" moron with about as much intellect as a coackroach . Your opinions are neither backed up by any facts or real knowledge, regardless of the subject, which inclines me and a large section of the FH community to generally ignore your so called discussions and to treat your posts as entertainment, because where you post Tohtori follows.

Im sure some retard here will take that as a "racist" comment but once again: Islam is not a race so fuck off.

Not racists just stupid, clueless, half witted, slow, dim............

Hitler had his turn. Im sure you'll get yours.

Its always funny how you get called Nazi, jew hater anti semitic the moment you make any sort of comment that doesnt follow the line that we are presented on a daily basis. I am neither a nazi or a jew hater rather just a person who calls a spade, a spade.

As for the topic itself: Both sides (meaning the israeli goverment and hamas) benefit from the situation so they'll do keep doing what they are doing until someone with a brain stops them. So obviously the solution has to come from outside the middle east.

lol once again your in depth knowlegde just stuns me. Its the people outside the M.E - the ones with brains according to you - that have created this problem and the same brains have a hand in pretty much creating every other major conflict zone in the world today because of their application of brains.

Anyways, you have to admit tierk sounds like a nazi. And hes supposed to be one of the moderate ones.

I would take exception to what you are saying but i know that you have a limited capacity for reading and understanding anything that runs contrary to what you have programmed into the grey matter between your ears.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Firstly i never talk politics with you because you are a grade "A" moron with about as much intellect as a coackroach . Your opinions are neither backed up by any facts or real knowledge, regardless of the subject, which inclines me and a large section of the FH community to generally ignore your so called discussions and to treat your posts as entertainment, because where you post Tohtori follows.

Not racists just stupid, clueless, half witted, slow, dim............

Its always funny how you get called Nazi, jew hater anti semitic the moment you make any sort of comment that doesnt follow the line that we are presented on a daily basis. I am neither a nazi or a jew hater rather just a person who calls a spade, a spade
lol once again your in depth knowlegde just stuns me. Its the people outside the M.E - the ones with brains according to you - that have created this problem and the same brains have a hand in pretty much creating every other major conflict zone in the world today because of their application of brains.

I would take exception to what you are saying but i know that you have a limited capacity for reading and understanding anything that runs contrary to what you have programmed into the grey matter between your ears.

Generally i hate people who use the nazi card everytime someone criticizes Israel but you seem to hope that the arabs will attack Israel. "People with brains" would like this to be solved peacefully. Crazy muslim nationalists like you would like to solve this by destroying Israel.

The fact is the majority in ME are hot heads who need to be kept on a tight leash. You're living proof of that.

And btw, im not that big a fan of Israel.

 

[Lamp]

when you use mosques and populated neighbourhoods as a cover to fire rockets from then dont come and cry when the next time you do it, the neighbourhood is leveled to the ground by a cluster bomb.

Spot on

 

[old.Tohtori]

and to treat your posts as entertainment, because where you post Tohtori follows.

Hey! I could be offended by that. I think. Or not

 

[Gahn]

when you use mosques and populated neighbourhoods as a cover to fire rockets from then dont come and cry when the next time you do it, the neighbourhood is leveled to the ground by a cluster bomb.

Aika speaks the truth

 

[soze]

Sorry but us and the yanks get slaughtered for that kind of thing. so unless you say fair enough when the yanks to level a building to kill a sniper you can not say it here.

I think its fair enough why should you risk your soldiers getting hurt when you can kill the enemy with no risk to yourself, just don't think it should be ok for some not for others.

 

[tierk]

Can't believe you started a thread on the news of the retaliatory air strikes. Why not the previous day when the Iranian backed Hamas broke the cease fire and fired 40 plus Iranian supplied rockets as far as 13 miles into various parts of Israel. All the time the Palestinian's allow Hamas free reign in Palestine there will never be any peace.

Don't agree with either side but trying to present one side of the story is fairly typical for this region and not helpful.

Sorry i didnt even see this post, i would have answered that for this as well.

How in Gods name did Iran get missles into Palestine now?? You couldnt get a fucking flea past the embargo that has been imposed on Gaza, for fuck knows how long and yet some how Iran has magically sent missles to Hamas????

As for breaking the cease fire, why dont you go and find out what the terms of the cease fire where in the first place? The lifting of the seige of Gaza was one of the terms and conditions of the cease fire. Allowing two trucks a year carrying emergency supplies into the Strip is not a lifting of the siege by any stretch of the imagination.

Completly stopping the missle attacks was another one of the terms of the cease fire. The only attacks that have occured consistently throughout the cease fire have been from the Al-Aqsa Brigades - funded funnily enough by Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah (who i would suspect would have every reason not to want Hamas to succeed) and Islamic Jihad, yet another group that is not under Hamas control.

Another Hamas Peace Plan Ignored

Follow the above link and read what has been offered by Hamas before and refused outright. Read into what the implications are of the offer that offer are.