Melee specced heretic vs reaver

[Thialgrin]

Hi guys,

I am new to Albion and I rolled an heretic. First I was thinking of a nuker version kind of spec but I am not so sure anymore. What are the biggest differences between a reaver and a melee specced heretic? Pro's and contra's.
Thanks in advance for the help.

 

[Dimmer]

Tic wears Cloth Reaver chain....
Tic have some übah self buffs if speced enh

can't remember more right now

 

[Javai]

To make the melee specced heretic close to Reaver you'd ned to also have high enhance spec for the self armour buffs.

The key difference then is that the Reaver is relies on a cleric for buffs whereas the Heretic has his or her own. The heretic will also have a baseline heal but not parry and access to more caster like RAs than the reaver (DI not TWF)

 

[Baldrian]

Alså as Necros can prolly tell you, cloth decades a lot faster in melee than chain does. making it very sad to have arties ect on a melee tic.

I would say its not viable. Reaver anytime.

 

[Golena]

Alså as Necros can prolly tell you, cloth decades a lot faster in melee than chain does. making it very sad to have arties ect on a melee tic.

I would say its not viable. Reaver anytime.

The big problem with necro's is that everytime the abom gets hit every armour piece takes a con check, meaning necro's armour decays at 6 times that of the heretic.
Because cloth has no absorb you can get away with having some of it at 70% con and making up the lost af with the base AF buff I believe, so it's not as bad as it at first sounds!

 

[Javai]

Haven't noticed particularly bad decay on cloth armour on 'Tic compared with Plate on my Paladin.

Also next patch Artifacts can repair dur so not as big an issue really.

Also forgot to mention earlier, my 'Tic with full buff bonus has higher AF than my Pally

 

[Kalidur]

Hi guys,

I am new to Albion and I rolled an heretic. First I was thinking of a nuker version kind of spec but I am not so sure anymore. What are the biggest differences between a reaver and a melee specced heretic? Pro's and contra's.
Thanks in advance for the help.

Soul Render, RA's and Soul Quench are the main big difference.

The heretic has no way of healing in battle (no access to IP), the lack of SR means no LT, LT proc, ABS/ATK debuff, Awsome DA, and the 2 DD pulses. The tic will have very good absorb and AF, but most reavers go high in shield and have high dex making them block a fair bit. The heretic is missing the dex/qui buff which really would help with the flex line.

The heretic does get access to Physical defence though, so they may not have any way to heal in a battle, but they can become very strong against melee.

The heretic does not get access to parry. however the parry chain in flex has been changed to block reactionary to cater for the tic, meaning you can get a 9 sec stun or a killer LT off the block chain (its 4 part chain for the killer LT which is hard to pull of in RVR).

Also take into note that they both have access to Banelord, however the reavers RA's compliment Banelord a lot better than the heretics.

All in all my personaly preference would be the reaver.

 

[Tubbs]

reavers get a large shield (10% greater chance of blocking. lower defence penalties)

reavers are on a higher damage table, and have more weapon skill for equivalent stats.

reavers get parry, and because of points distribution generally have a higher specced shield.

Tics have high melee absorb

even melee tics can heal (albeit poorly)

amazing rr5 ability for tics, especially in a tank group

Tics only require spec dex buff from buffbot/group cleric



If you've got access to buffs then I'd say reaver over tic.

 

[Golena]

Think the choice is very simple

Buffed reaver is greater than tic is greater than unbuffer reaver.

If you have access to a bot roll a reaver.
If you don't have access to a bot, roll a tic.

 

[Kalidur]

reavers get a large shield (10% greater chance of blocking. lower defence penalties)

since when ?

I thought the only difference between shield sizes was the ability to block more people, ie, small shield 1 attacker, medium shield 2 and large shield 3, and the chance to block was determined by your shield skill.

am i wrong ??

 

[Kalidur]

Tics have high melee absorb

Tics get a 30% self absorb spell.

cloth has 0 absorb, chain has 27% absorb add into this the atk debuff from the SR line the absorb factor wont be that much different if anything,
the tic does however get AF buffs.

one other thing to note as a melee specced heretic you really have no way of inturrupting caster. the SR line has a whole host of spells to interrupt 1 or many targets.

Yes melee tics can heal but they cannot heal in combat, unless they pull off the side style or the 4 part viper chain, Reavers on the other hand get access to IP, insta LT and an LT proc, along with the options a heretic has.

To be honest if i had a choice of a self buffing melee class i would prolly choose a Friar, Base dex buff + dex qui buff + absorb/af + melee haste buff + weapon that purely based on dex + dex raising as you level.

I woudlnt put money on a melee specced heretic to even be able to beat a none buffed reaver in a duel to be honest, the reaver is arguably one of the best tanks in alb, in my opinion when it comes to RVR there are only 2 real alb tanks, the reaver and the merc, pallies are good but for protecting rather that dishing out damage.

 

[Golena]

weapon that purely based on dex + dex raising as you level.

Just wait till a playing friar gets a hold of this statement, your gonna be toast! :touch:

 

[Saveus]

Roll a Cabby imo!!

 

[Kalidur]

Just wait till a playing friar gets a hold of this statement, your gonna be toast! :touch:

whoops your right my mistake, its str that raises naturaly and friars are feeding back that its useless and it should be dex and not str that raises, my mistake whoopsie.

but still they get dex + dex/qui buff

 

[kirennia]

Reaver benefits:

rr5 ability along with ML8 make a very powerful bomb for both openfield rvr ass well as tower humping Wastes healers instas if anything
access to battlemaster whereas tic has access to perfecter. Both have access to banelord
access to IP
access to twf
a fast reuse timer pbaoe interupt

Tic benefits:

Higher AF
One of, if not the best rr5 abilities when fighting an enemy caster group. 80%magic immunity ftw
Access to DI
Access to BAoD
Access to PD
limited use insta escape snare
low range insta DoT interupt
MoC1 + spam aoe snare (low lvl, unlimited power but full effect, MoF helps) on enemy MA train snares them all by 60% and you can't be interupted. Great against tank groups.



Sure I've missed some stuff but basically either could be part of the MA train and shine in different ways. The reaver has the advantage of being able to be a bodyguarder
The tic has the advantage of being a damage nullifier and general interupter of both the enemy tanks in a tank group or casters in a caster group (spell damage isnt the point of a melee tic note )

 

[Tulkos]

if you want something that does damage role a merc of course only joking i like my reaver is lots of fun not tried a tic out but from what people have said they just aint fun.

 

[Jaem-]

Is...

48 heal
50 buff
29 whip
13shield

...ok for RvR as a caster heretic?

also, I'm unsure on what bonuses give arts, as their kinda like a mix of cleric and caster.

 

[Tubbs]

cloth has 0 absorb, chain has 27% absorb add into this the atk debuff from the SR line the absorb factor wont be that much different if anything,
the tic does however get AF buffs.

You do realise AF effects melee absorb?
A 900+ af heretic takes quite a bit less damage then even a buffed reaver

To be honest if i had a choice of a self buffing melee class i would prolly choose a Friar, Base dex buff + dex qui buff + absorb/af + melee haste buff + weapon that purely based on dex + dex raising as you level.

Probably right, due to lack of melee defence skills

I woudlnt put money on a melee specced heretic to even be able to beat a none buffed reaver in a duel to be honest, the reaver is arguably one of the best tanks in alb, in my opinion when it comes to RVR there are only 2 real alb tanks, the reaver and the merc, pallies are good but for protecting rather that dishing out damage.

Buffs make one hell of a difference, even a hybrid specced tic will beat an unbuffed reaver

 

[Jaem-]

Just wondering if this will be a nice template for my Heretic at 50?

Swaping Stardrop for 25% buff bonus.

I'm afraid I've never made a Cleric or Caster temp yet, so haven't really a clue on the items needed.

 

[Naffets]

Just wondering if this will be a nice template for my Heretic at 50?

Swaping Stardrop for 25% buff bonus.

I'm afraid I've never made a Cleric or Caster temp yet, so haven't really a clue on the items needed.

Temp is nice imo

 

[Corran]

Give me a week and i let you know how good a melee spec tic is...

I have been a split spec up until now and got myself to RR6L1 with that spec (42rej, 50enh, 34crush, 20shield) and with that spec and my range of artifacts (BoZ fumble debuff etc) i can take down assassins in straight melee and also gives me good uninteruptable. I really liked the spec compared to pure caster version i was till rr2.

Today, i respec'd to 50flex/enh, 23shield (rear stun), 17rej however not had chance to really play it. With use of engage to get of stun or lifetap chain can get some really good damage going, levi does between 400 and 600dmg including proc which is much higher then the 180ish dmg get with crush styles. Problem i found already is that lose a lot of utility which makes solo more difficult, however will see about the group utility of class soon. If you want it for groups though it depends on grouping needs, reaver brings more offence abilities (TWF etc) however if you want some more defence ability in group tic would be better (rr5, boad, pr etc).