Matrix Reloaded (yes again, get used to it )

[Xtro]

I think that's a really good and fair summary Durz.

Looking back I quite like the bit with the Architecht. I couldn't agree more about the Zion/dance bit, bored me to fuck. I was thinking hmm, just get in the matrix ffs.

 

[stu]

Re: Spoilers

Originally posted by Durzel
The whole renegade Agent Smith was an interesting subplot, but it was never really obvious whether his character was made to sound "deep" just as to be different from the first film, because ultimately his objectives were still the same... "You freed me Neo, but I'm gonna kick your ass anyway"[/B]

Not quite. Before, as an agent of the system, Smith was tasked with destroying Neo because he was a disruptive influence. He was just as malevolent towards the others (Morpheus for example). In Reloaded, it's clearly 'personal'.

But yeah, the dancing scene was shite.

I would have liked to have seen the Twins do a bit more as well.

Seraph, however, was a serious badass, and has a lot more to do in Revolutions.

 

[Sar]

My guesses for the end of the trilogy:

The Matrix will not be destroyed.
Agent Smith will fight for the rebels after gaining emotions.
Zion/The Real World are a higher level version of The Matrix.

etc.

 

[PR.]

Just seen it, and I can really only repeat what others have said the film as a whole was great but that dance thingy was too long. The car chase and the Burly Brawl are my favourite pieces though

 

[Tom]

BTW There is a new T3 trailer out, that came on before the start of the film.

I think everybody (including myself) went in the film with certain expectations based upon the first Matrix film. I watched the film and enjoyed it for what it was, and not what I expected it to be.

I think when the 3rd film arrives, many of the scenes in reloaded which people don't like will become integral to the series. I personally liked the dancing scene, although I thought Morpheus's speech could have done with a bit of a re-write (or perhaps his delivery wasn't quite up to it).

The first film was clearly in 3 stages - find Neo, tell us (the audience) what Neo is about, then prove that Neo is 'the one'. Reloaded isn't quite so obvious because it's only half a film.

I still enjoyed it though (and the CGI was faultless imho)

 

[Sharma]

Just went to see it today, say what ye like i loved it

 

[Durzel]

The CGI was very, very good. Although it was just about possible to see when Keanu was being rendered, it was as close to perfection as I've seen in a film to date, even in slow-motion.

I agree on the Twins front, figured they'd be in the film longer than they were. As it turns out, they're barely in the film longer than they are in the trailer.

Seraph is definitely badass. Hopefully he'll be a main character in Revolutions.

 

[Durzel]

Forgot to add, the only positive thing about the Zion dance scene was the music - "Zion" by Fluke - which is without a doubt, one phat track.

Oh, and while I remember, one minor niggle... the amount of times the film went from virtually pitch black to pure white. On the small screen I don't think it would be an issue, but switching from the Nebuchadnezzar to the Zion landing control station (for example) on the cinema screen hurt my eyes.

 

[nylex23]

WEeeee.

 

[PR.]

Originally posted by Durzel
Oh, and while I remember, one minor niggle... the amount of times the film went from virtually pitch black to pure white. On the small screen I don't think it would be an issue, but switching from the Nebuchadnezzar to the Zion landing control station (for example) on the cinema screen hurt my eyes.

You mean you weren't dressed in a black trench coat and wearing Neo like sunglasses?

 

[old.UKTwister]

it was really boring tbh, but i think i have figured out what will happen in the next one.

-They will probably defeat the machines and all the agent smiths. But when all the agent smiths are destroyed it will kill Neo too because he is part of agent smith.

 

[Ch3tan]

Originally posted by Hashmonster

Ending was cheap tho - the way it just cuts, who is that guy on the bed? the guy who cut his own hand near the beginning? eh? wha?

It was Agent Smith in human form. At the start the two Zion rebels escape with a message from the Oracle, but Smith copy's himself over one and escapes via the hardline anyway. He tried to kill Neo with a knife, and ruined the ambush attempt by the Zion fleet.

Pay more attention man.

 

[Sar]

Saw it last night, and loved it.

See Damini's thread for some decent explanation as to what happened towards the end.

 

[Hashmonster]

Originally posted by Ch3tan
It was Agent Smith in human form. At the start the two Zion rebels escape with a message from the Oracle, but Smith copy's himself over one and escapes via the hardline anyway. He tried to kill Neo with a knife, and ruined the ambush attempt by the Zion fleet.

Pay more attention man.

ah yeah!! sorry when he did that it was just after the dance sequence bit i think and i had just nodded off

makes sense now...

 

[(Shovel)]

I saw it last night in the Manchester Filmworks - in the uber big leather chairs in the galary. Highly recommended.

I agree with everything that has been said already about the dance scene. Too long, doesn't need anything more said tbh.

By the end though, I was very impressed. It was different to the first one, and I managed to treat it as that from early on and save my enjoyment!

Smith is now utterly confusing. I really can't work out what his motive is - unless it is as "basic" as a personal grudge against Neo.

I thought the actionw as very good - the worst bit of CG was the part when the agent pulled the roof off their car. That was the only time that I *really* saw through it. But I wasn't looking for it, I was enjoying it

 

[Slug]

I think the film was awsome, the only complaint was too little fighting.

 

[Clowneh!]

au contraire [fuck you people who will correct me]

i thought the fighting went on too long sometimes

 

[old.UKTwister]

the fighting was boring

 

[Sar]

Originally posted by (Shovel)
Smith is now utterly confusing. I really can't work out what his motive is - unless it is as "basic" as a personal grudge against Neo.

I think that's more or less it tbh. It's about pride, even though Smith is a program.

 

[Tom]

I just watched The Matrix on DVD (again), I recommend you lot do the same, some aspects of the plot become more obvious. For instance, the bit where Morpheus is being interrogated by Smith, with Smith saying 'I have to get out of here, I need the codes for..' explains some of his movements in Reloaded. That and the fact that Neo is the one who 'frees' Smith, and enables him to do the things he does in Reloaded, explains his motives further.

The number of choices that Neo faces become more obvious, from following the white rabbit, choosing not to leave his office via the window, choosing to stay in the car (before they remove his bug), choosing the red/blue pill, choosing to fight Smith; choice after choice, yet only after seeing Reloaded does all this become apparent.

There is also more fighting in Reloaded - hard to believe, but true!

I think Smith will be the key to freedom in Revolutions. I also wonder if the ending will follow the ideas shown in Logans Run - that the real world is in fact quite allright, but there is a more sinister reason for imprisoning the humans.

 

[Clowneh!]

i found animatrix helped explain some stuff too

 

[nylex23]

Hmmm.

 

[Ash!]

I thought it was pretty damn good tbh. Of course a lot of people could say that they could of done this and done that and how much better it could have been. Alternatively it could have been a hell of a lot worse.

The use of CGI was brilliant because it wasnt used to tell the whole story it was used to complement it.

Even better for me because the cinema I seen it was empty bar me and 3 other people. No munching pop corn, no mobiles, no captain weakbladders going for a piss every 5 mins. Pure cinematic bliss

 

[(Shovel)]

Originally posted by Ash!
Even better for me because the cinema I seen it was empty bar me and 3 other people. No munching pop corn, no mobiles, no captain weakbladders going for a piss every 5 mins. Pure cinematic bliss

See The Gallery in Manchester. Pure cinematic bliss... with leather seats... thinking about it, the abundance of leather in my Matrix watching experience (when you add the film in) is quite disutrbing.

 

[caLLous]

Saw it yesterday and I thought it was fantastic. It flew by, that's the quickest 160 minutes I've ever experienced. The fighting was awesome as well.

As someone said earlier, the CGI is very apparent in places, but why is that a bad thing?

It got a very respectable 29 out of 33 on the Phil-o-meter!

 

[-Ultimate]

 

[caLLous]

"maddox" needs to be taken outside and beaten within an inch of his life... is that picture funny? :\

 

[-Ultimate]

No

It lacks the funneh as do i














But i don't care

 

[leviathon]

re. the cg. personally, i can live with dodgy cg as i doubt that many of the shots could have been done without it, or at least in a time frame and budget that would have allowed the movie to be released. that jumping on the car bit? might have been possible in the real world, but it probably would have looked faker or taken far too much time to perfect. also, most of the CG set peices are works of fiction, they couldn't take place outside a computer so by nature they are fake. when was the last time you saw someone jump on a car thus flipping it over to compare if they got the cg one correct or not. it does look fake, but why? i couldn't say specifically why its fake, the car was pretty good, maybe it was the agents? maybe his legs? hmmm, i dunno, i don't think the animators knew either which is probably why it does. if you don't concontrate too hard its ok. having it in bullet time doesn't help. thats another thing we aren't used to. maybe if it was real time it would look fine.

also they tend to use romantic physics as opposed to real ones, neos coat being the main example. the bit where he spins in the air with the pole over the agent smiths. it mostly looks fake because his coat isn't right, its moving 'cooly' and not realisisticly. we expect it to be all bunched up or round his ankles. in one of the documentaries about the yoda fight in EP2 they talked about making yodas clothes physcially correct, but it ended up rolling over his head or getting caught on his legs so they ended up using a bit of artistic licence. end result is something which our eyes tell us can't happen, but its more pleasing to see.

as for the film. ace. the fights tended to feel a bit long first time around but second i enjoyed them more. the only fight that was boring for me was neo vs the gardian of the oracle. just seemed very run of the mill. the rest was inovative and cool to watch, they had a lot of good moments. the best bit was being able to look back at everything in the first half and relate it to the second, and also understand the architects words better. i thought the plot of the film was better than the action, but then i'm a geeky fanboy who loves complicated plots

as for enter the matrix. fucking buggy. jeez they rushed that to get it out for the movie. very cool thou. fanboy geekiness again with the focusing and the cartwheel dodging focused returning fire comboing. comtrols took a bit of getting used to. and god that last level was shit, the piloting the hovercraft. i mean, really pointless and shit, and badly done. i would have liked to see it finished properly to be honest, but they did have a deadline.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Firstly, capital letters are your friend.

Secondly, what's the point of spending 36 million on cg that does't look real? The effects in Star Wars are still more realistic and they are miniatures.