Matrix Reloaded (yes again, get used to it )

[stu]

Originally posted by nath
Thing that fucks me off is that so many film type peeps have seen this new cgi revolution as a fantastic way to realise their ideas. Problem is, it makes them complacent. George lucas used nothing but cg in attack of the clones. Granted, yoda looked pretty good, but it became so obvious that it destroyed the suspension of disbelief. You think "wow, cool graphics" rather than "wow, what an exciting scene".

Exactement. The scenes in Matrix, whilst still heavily integrating effects, didn't go too far to ruin the suspension of disbelief. I didn't realise until reading Empire that the L-train station fight was completely greenscreened, for example, although it makes sense thinking about it. I just hope I don't come out of Reloaded with Jar Jar syndrome, but having seen the trailer I think I just might

 

[nath]

I'm just clinging to the belief that they didn't hire the twins because they'd been in changing rooms, so there's bound to be some *real* kung fu, or whatever it is they do, in this film. Anyway, we shall see.

 

[Durzel]

"The twins" are both black belts at karate. So it's all good.

They've come a long way haven't they really!..

 

[nath]

They're much more than just black belt though, aren't they? They're like 2nd dan or something aren't they?

 

[Tom]

Bruce Lee would kick their ass. They should find Bruce Lee's program and re-activate it.

 

[old.I_Am_Glen]

Originally posted by nath
They're much more than just black belt though, aren't they? They're like 2nd dan or something aren't they?

yes but cant rember whhat tho

 

[stu]

Originally posted by Tom[SHOTTEH]
Bruce Lee would kick their ass. They should find Bruce Lee's program and re-activate it.

zuttrefend, along with Ueshiba and Tesshu. Although in theory Johnny Retard has all their skillz anyway.

 

[Xtro]

Seen it. Its "ok". The dialogue REALLY started to piss me off with the constant "question/answered with question" that just became daft.

5/10 overall

effects etc, 8/10

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

HAY GUYS WHAT'S WITH ALL THE BLACK GUYS HAVING COOL JOBS IN THE FUTURE!?!?!

IT'S NOT LOOKING BRIGHT FOR US CRACKERS!!!!!

 

[whipped]

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It seemed to me that the film went strange in the middle. The whole bit where they're dicussing the plan to get into the mainframe and it's flashing to the plan actually happening. It seemed like the made the film, realised it ran at nearly 4 hours and then used some nifty editing to cut the film down.

I honestly thought the film was ending at that point and it was going to say "To be Concluded" and I'd find out how the plan went in the next film. Something wasn't right around that point, but I still enjoyed the film.

I didn't like the idea of rouge programs and previous versions of programs. I can understand animals being created and controlled by the Matrix, but I thought the whole point of the Matrix was that all the humans in it were the humans that are plugged in. Except for the agents.

Oh well, I'll wait till the 3rd film to make up my fully.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

SPOILER OMGS SPILER













































Zion = In the Matrix as well

OH NOS FILM RUINED.

 

[Clowneh!]

HEY MATRIOONXXX IN TEH MATROIIXX?? HRGHMM

 

[Testin da Cable]

I am sick of films turning into computergames. In the case of the matrix this can be taken both ways I guess

 

[leggy]

I thought it was pretty poor and am a bit dissapointed. I had high hopes.

The dialogue pissed me off no end. Complete nonsense jibberish.

I believe in the belief of believing that we must believe in our destiny's destin... oh stfu morpheus.

:/

 

[Wij]

Wow - this film really sucked early on. Dialogue is not it's strong point. Too much exposition and not enough content. It got better later though. The car chase scene was fantastic. The idea with the Architect about the previous versions of the One was interesting. And then the hints about Zion being part of the matrix, it's already been destroyed 5 times. Good stuff. Worth watching the film.

The fight sequences weren't good enough. Has Yuen Woo Ping taken a break ? Sloppy. Also I didn't care about the fights. If Neo really wanted to win them then why did he treat each bad guy in turn to 'block - block - block - block - push-away-so-you-can-come-back-later' rather than the obviously more sensible 'block - block - block - block - decapitate' ?

Still haven't worked out exactly what Smith is up to. Maybe I missed something.

And the stuff about the rogue programs... They had to do this. It's classic comic book stuff. Once you've explored the main themes you have to introduce new characters to keep it going for more episodes. Making them rogue programs was the only way to make them have any chance of being a threat to Neo.

Anyway. If you liked the first you must see this film. And I'm sure you will anyway, but there are bits in it you will hate. Trust me.

SPOILER ALERT

I mean the dancing scene above all else.

 

[leggy]

The architect said Zion had been destroyed 5 times before etc etc. but he had let 11 people live to rebuild it.

I didnt take this to mean that zion was a part of the matrix (despite the ending) it was merely another part of the machine needs man needs machine concept.

The matrix can't allow zion to be destroyed as it would result in its own destruction etc.

Vicious circle O

 

[Xtro]

aside from this Monica Belucci's arse and tits in that white rubber dress soon shut all the blokes in the cinema up for some odd reason.

 

[leggy]

Between her and trinity I had a constant semi throughout.

 

[Wij]

The bit when he was fighting the Simths (Bishop in a tutu?) with the pole and there were about 4 slomo bits in a row must have been a bitch to film. Very impressive technically.

 

[Xtro]

Only a semi? Damnit mate, you're slipping in your old age!

Aye a Trinity and Persephone sandwich would do me just fine. Hmmm chuck in Natalie Portman and the elf bird from LOTR and I think we have the modern trilogies wrapped up.

Waiter...clingfilm, strawberries, 2 car batteries and a revolving pig please.

I thank you.

 

[Wij]

Um - fine

The relationship between man and machine was much moe elegantly explored in 2001. Stick to action plz.

 

[leggy]

Fight scenes were too long

Highway sequence was magnificant (except the overly long fight scene ontop of the truck- although still good)

 

[Hashmonster]

good film but not fantastic - CG usage was too much but not badly done as other films thankfully

Highlights for me was the two lorries colliding as neo comes flying in - that was very impressive, as was him choosing the left door and then flying at some warp speed to get to trinity... fecking class!

But the start was a little odd and felt like i had missed something, but i started to convince myself that i'm not watching matrix 1 again - they had to do a different style of film. I do want to see it again tho..

Ending was cheap tho - the way it just cuts, who is that guy on the bed? the guy who cut his own hand near the beginning? eh? wha?

 

[Clowneh!]

SPOILERS FUCKS SAKE WHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

 

[Tom]

Just seen it, it rocks, ignore the doubters, its clearly an 'in the middle' film, designed more for plot development than 'in your face action' like Matrix 1.

The motorway sequence is very good, I liked the pacey music, although it still doesn't beat Ronin for heart-pounding action.

 

[Nos-]

Also just seen it.

Those that can't see past the eye candy are thick fucks (Tom, you are a thick fuck, f-u-c-k, 'fuck').

Bit of a disappointment in my opinion! The fight scenes are way too long in places, the character of Smith has lost all his charm and the new agents are wank :-\

 

[old.I_Am_Glen]

Those that can't see past the eye candy are thick fucks

more like luky

 

[dysfunction]

is the letter c missing from your keyboard?

 

[Wij]

Slightly more negative than I'd tend to be Nos but I agree it kinda left Smith degraded. Even though it was an interesting development. I now think of him as like a plague of ants. One kettle and he will be sorted.

Hash - you are correct. You have to learn to accept it's actually quite different to the first one to enjoy it.

The freeway scene makes it all worthwhile though. I may even forgive the 15 minute dancing in Zion

















Actually, I won't.

 

[Durzel]

Spoilers

I watched it last night as well..

WARNING: Possible spoilerage

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It was an enjoyable film, but at times it seemed like it wasn't sure if it wanted to be an action film, or a "thinking" film. "The Matrix", by comparison, all flowed together nicely and every scene had a clear purpose - I don't recall any of the scenes in the first film being redundant. I got the feeling for a lot of this film that the dialogue was mainly just a precursor to the next martial arts setpiece.

The whole renegade Agent Smith was an interesting subplot, but it was never really obvious whether his character was made to sound "deep" just as to be different from the first film, because ultimately his objectives were still the same... "You freed me Neo, but I'm gonna kick your ass anyway"

The excruciatingly long Zion dance scene (in fact the whole scene from as soon as Morpheus started talking) annoyed me a great deal.

In summary..

Things I liked
* The various fight scenes, all excellent. The much-hyped "reality" CGI was a lot better than I thought it would be.
* Persephone (whenever she was on the screen)
* The chocolate cake scene ))
* The whole car chase scene
* The big "hundreds of Smiths" park fight

Things I didn't like
* The almost constant "answer a question with a question" dialogue.
* The main love scene (although I guess in plot terms it was vaguely necessary, seemed to go on too long though)
* The white room scene at the end
* I didn't like the whole "To be concluded" insta-ending, although it was too be expected I guess.. just seemed "odd" when you were sitting in the cinema.
* Morpheus' Zion speech (sounded like a high-school drama play)
* The way-too-long Zion dance scene (why??)

What I did find vaguely amusing was the fact that Neo was prepared to potentially sacrifice the entire human race for Trinity, and must've actually killed hundreds anyway as he was flying along at warp speed, with cars, etc smashing along in his wake.

On the whole, 8/10 imo!