because no matter who that third party is there will always be some stupid twat that wont trust it. usually the same persons that run around thinking the coverment have implanted stuff in his head just to spy and/or kill him, so he's gotta run around with a tinfoil hat.....
By stating that history is based upon belief and who has the biggest public consensus shows only that you yourself do not really have a grasp of how history develops and the differentiation between historical evidence and interpretation. History is not merely based on who has the most of amount of support for a certain idea when it comes to things that can be shown as evidence but has its own method and analysis of the time line.
There are things which can be considered historical facts because they are supported by a wealth of evidence and can be justifiably be proven to be true or to have existed.
That there was a battle of Stalingrad can be shown to be true because there is existing evidence from sources at the time and there is evidence on the ground to prove it, this is historically accurate and is something that can be considered part of the record of human events.
To believe they did not take place is akin to not accepting that evolution takes place.
I understand your position on historical events ie " history is written by the victors " and that our views of what has happened can shift and change with time and that there can be wildly conflicting views over the same event. But what remains are real tangible items. I feel the message that you are evoking is that 'nothing can be proven' but that is really more a philosophic point along the decarte route rather than way to approach the real world. Its all well and good to question everything and not believe that anythings ever actually happened but when it comes to the past its a case of occams razor, if the evidence heavily favours a set of events and there is only smattering of differing views you work with what you have and accept that it was probably what happened. In the case of the moon landings ( back to the original point ) I think you can guess where i place my money.
Apollo thread in Godwin's shocker!It is a bit annoying though. If someone came on here spouting this about the holocaust we'd all go mad.
Apollo thread in Godwin's shocker!
Hardly the same though is it? Denying the holocaust isn't about being a wanker it's about being just plain evil, chaotic evil if you like.
Basically the moon landings were a pissing contest that america likes to remind the world that they won. Other than that it was a huge waste of time and money because it seems to have achieved nothing whatsoever.
If you look at the majority of conspiracy theorists most of them weren't alive during any of the moon landings which is probably why they have a hard time believing in it. The same reason why I have a hard time grasping the importance of it, some guys went to the moon grabbed a few rocks years before I was born and nobody has even thought about doing anything with it since.
I mean don't get me wrong I know it was an important event in history/science but it's importance is just lost on me because it hasn't happened in my lifetime.
But the point is we believe the holocaust happened because there's good evidence for it and the 'evidence' the deniers have is shit. Same for the Moon Landings.
but i suppose that taking the moon landing deniers to the moon is a tad far fetched
But the point is we believe the holocaust happened because there's good evidence for it and the 'evidence' the deniers have is shit. Same for the Moon Landings.
but there is debatable evidence that might suggest the moon landing was fake.
No there isn't.
I agree with that pretty much - it is the most likely explanation that things happened as they are generally accepted to have happened but I see no shame in people questioning things if they think they have found a flaw in the generally accepted interpretation of events (even if they are wrong ).
It seems an unhealthy situation where people are persecuted for holding a minority view?
I like Occams razor but it does have a flaw in that sometimes really unlikely events really do happen with multiple entities - its a good rule of thumb but all rules have exceptions.
Occams razor?
A) We were able to use Rockets (in development since the war) and simple newtonian physics to land on the moon
or
B) The whole thing was filmed in a studio and the media as well as dozens of countries around the world (including the US's great Rival) were bribed or bullied into covering it up for 40 years.
But the point is we believe the holocaust happened because there's good evidence for it and the 'evidence' the deniers have is shit. Same for the Moon Landings.
You cannot reproduce such footage in Earth's atmosphere, with Earth's gravity. It is utterly impossible.
You cannot reproduce such footage in Earth's atmosphere, with Earth's gravity.