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ive never seen any adrira.. i think.. have no clue what race/class that dude is :O
have seen someone named makwaerk though
have seen someone named makwaerk though
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Blood
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Blej: i dont know why you insist on giving items to guilds, instead of individuals. And i have a right to be peewed when you exclude me from something that i attended, some of the others in your CG said that everyone was so tired of discussing, thats why they didnt object to anything you said regarding excluding others. (and no there wasnt anything at the dragon raid that i wanted for myself)
Next time make a big lotto for the level 45-50 that attends, let them say who wants what (for personal use, not alts or friends)
Regarding the loot splitting this time, when it came time for the Vest, many people quickly said my name for it (since it is a hunter/berzerker studded vest), but i quickly stopped them, because with the epic vest having better stats (+15 con), i'd much rather pass this time and have a better chance at the special spear dropping from the dragon (dunno of legion drops a spear). The same happened when the sword came up, people wanted to give it to Azal, but he passed, on the grounds that he as a critblade would be much better served getting a 2h weapon on another raid.
Since imo the epic vest is better for a hunter (when maxing our stats, dex is easy, qui & str is tricky, and con is hard), i choose for my part to give it to a berzerker (i have no idea what their epic gear does), Makwaerk and Savage Conclave have been VERY active on alot of raids, always providing rams etc (Siegeguy = Makwaerk).
old.Det: what you see there is my level 16(26) spear hitting him wihtout styles, you didnt see me spend all my end with my 50(65) bow (which happens to be 99% quality 35% bonus, and the spear is a common drop). And as for how you know what damage the rest of the people in my group is doing, im very puzzled
And Revz: you couldnt possible be farther from the truth, in our small guild we have some of the hardest hitting people in the realm, we certainly have something to contribute vs epic mobs. Also when we made the guild, it has absolutely nothing to do with being "greedy with the RP ". It was about playing our class more effectively.
Next time make a big lotto for the level 45-50 that attends, let them say who wants what (for personal use, not alts or friends)
Regarding the loot splitting this time, when it came time for the Vest, many people quickly said my name for it (since it is a hunter/berzerker studded vest), but i quickly stopped them, because with the epic vest having better stats (+15 con), i'd much rather pass this time and have a better chance at the special spear dropping from the dragon (dunno of legion drops a spear). The same happened when the sword came up, people wanted to give it to Azal, but he passed, on the grounds that he as a critblade would be much better served getting a 2h weapon on another raid.
Since imo the epic vest is better for a hunter (when maxing our stats, dex is easy, qui & str is tricky, and con is hard), i choose for my part to give it to a berzerker (i have no idea what their epic gear does), Makwaerk and Savage Conclave have been VERY active on alot of raids, always providing rams etc (Siegeguy = Makwaerk).
old.Det: what you see there is my level 16(26) spear hitting him wihtout styles, you didnt see me spend all my end with my 50(65) bow (which happens to be 99% quality 35% bonus, and the spear is a common drop). And as for how you know what damage the rest of the people in my group is doing, im very puzzled
And Revz: you couldnt possible be farther from the truth, in our small guild we have some of the hardest hitting people in the realm, we certainly have something to contribute vs epic mobs. Also when we made the guild, it has absolutely nothing to do with being "greedy with the RP ". It was about playing our class more effectively.
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old.Det
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Your group got 7 million exp from the kill, our group got 22 million. That's where i got it from.
You were displeased with the way the dragon drops were handled because you were left out, yet you think a system that leaves out 95% of the realm is better? Loot is distributed within a small group of players that all know eachother <-- this is the way it looks for most ppl, might not be true but that doesnt matter. There are always people contributing to the realm that are not noticed or recognized, there are others that dont enjoy rvr yet help their fellow players in countless other ways.
Face facts, this loot distribution was a huge failure and has caused a rift in the realm.
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Dam i told u ppl blood is clever!!
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Ahahahahahahaaaa! You gave the sword to someone who's leaving! Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaa!
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[Quote taken from Most Wanted thread in RvR...]
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Branny, your sig is offensive!
I'm fascinated by the plots of this loot distribution; someone should write a novel.
I'm fascinated by the plots of this loot distribution; someone should write a novel.
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You hit hard versus yellow cons but against the insane AF of huge mobs no one does any appreciable amount of damage with their basic melee. I remember you saying that you crit shot the dragon for 15 points of damage. That is going to be way outpaced by anyone meleeing with a damage buff or two. Even Azal (who probably does do a fair amount with his crit shot) can't keep it up forever as given the length of the fight you will be out of stamina pretty quickly for special styles.
You are much better off doing high to hit styles and having lots of damage buffs. Yes there is definitely a place for stealthers on PvE raids but to say you are hitting the hardest isn't really true. If what svartalf says is true then you got outdamaged by another group for at least 3-4 times as much.
My general feeling was that given how you have set up your guild you shouldn't expect much pay off from PvE as you are effectively leaving it up to other guilds to sort out all the "boring" classes so that you can get the items. If you were serious about it you would have a balanced guild that is able to contribute fully to things like a Legion raid with buffers, healers, tanks, rezzers, CC and all the other things that most guilds would have provided. Instead you chose the RvR route and will have to live with the fact that you are going to struggle in PvE. No amount of complaining will change that.
Just my opinion but the focus on realm points and stealth classes is doing much more damage to this game than good. Imagine an EQ guild made up of monks and rogues just because they are amazing classes...
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good point, i didnt think of that earlier.. almost look like half my group must have been afk
ahem.. that small group of players, were representatives of the guilds that attended the raid.. before voting, those representatives discussed who to vote on with their guild mates.
Face facts, people always complain when something doesnt go their way (hell i do it too sometimes)
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I know how it was done, i also know how it was percieved by some of those people there and by the majority people not there.
A failure is when more people are complaining than there are people happy with it. That is why the dragon raid was a success, and this was not.
You did not respond to any of the main points i tried to get thru in that message, and you cut the end part of my sentance from the last qoute btw
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Roo write one good way solve loot system.
give items to guild and they look by own who deserve it.
but keeping item same time guild property.
if player take long vacation/or end, he/she give to next, who use it that time and give back when first owner come from vacation, or keep it if first end.
counting how many members are killing mob and this way share loot, maybe rise little some guilds activity in this kind events.
lvl restriction is ok, but same time remember organise events to 20-30, 30-40 etc.
offcourse this is depending sadly most what they self are willing organise.
(believe many high lvl:s are willing to help if someone ask?)
and if Durgi is leaving? hope he give sword away, to give next person.
give items to guild and they look by own who deserve it.
but keeping item same time guild property.
if player take long vacation/or end, he/she give to next, who use it that time and give back when first owner come from vacation, or keep it if first end.
counting how many members are killing mob and this way share loot, maybe rise little some guilds activity in this kind events.
lvl restriction is ok, but same time remember organise events to 20-30, 30-40 etc.
offcourse this is depending sadly most what they self are willing organise.
(believe many high lvl:s are willing to help if someone ask?)
and if Durgi is leaving? hope he give sword away, to give next person.
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old.Gromnir
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Hi again
Who was this Durgi guy who is now going back to US ?
Fact: Blej told me he had nothing to do with the forming of the ideer _HERO OF MIDGARD_ it was all on Drugi's account (I got the ICR log if people dont belive it). -
Fact: Guy makes rule, guy makes rule so guy can have a chance to get lucky, guy get lucky, Realm go: "wow that guy made the rules and get lucky because of his own rules" -
Fact: Hunters are some of the hardest hitting people in the realm vs. Mobs. Bow and Spears are evil, if you dont belive me try making a hunter yourself and feel it. -
Fact: All guilds are created Equal. -
Fact: Loot sorting is part of planning a mob raid so large, it is not something you make up in the last 4 mins of the raid. -
Fact: If Durgi's _HERO_ system had been posted 2 or 3 days before, every guild would have had a chance to nominat a _HERO_, and every one would have had an equal chance to say "This raid is not something I want to be a part of" since they would had haven the chance to read about it. -
Fact: Level 50 chars can be gimps that do less dam then a level 47. -
Fact: Many people with a level 50 char, pulles him/her out from under the bed on relic/ubermob raids. And put them back under the bed. (not all do it, but some do). Thus a uberitem in their hands would be useless to the realm. -
Fact: Few and smaller parties of joined guilds will begin making dragon and legion raids. BECAUSE they now know how to do it. -
Fact: we have not yet seen any pictures of the items with stats and all.
Who was this Durgi guy who is now going back to US ?
Fact: Blej told me he had nothing to do with the forming of the ideer _HERO OF MIDGARD_ it was all on Drugi's account (I got the ICR log if people dont belive it). -
Fact: Guy makes rule, guy makes rule so guy can have a chance to get lucky, guy get lucky, Realm go: "wow that guy made the rules and get lucky because of his own rules" -
Fact: Hunters are some of the hardest hitting people in the realm vs. Mobs. Bow and Spears are evil, if you dont belive me try making a hunter yourself and feel it. -
Fact: All guilds are created Equal. -
Fact: Loot sorting is part of planning a mob raid so large, it is not something you make up in the last 4 mins of the raid. -
Fact: If Durgi's _HERO_ system had been posted 2 or 3 days before, every guild would have had a chance to nominat a _HERO_, and every one would have had an equal chance to say "This raid is not something I want to be a part of" since they would had haven the chance to read about it. -
Fact: Level 50 chars can be gimps that do less dam then a level 47. -
Fact: Many people with a level 50 char, pulles him/her out from under the bed on relic/ubermob raids. And put them back under the bed. (not all do it, but some do). Thus a uberitem in their hands would be useless to the realm. -
Fact: Few and smaller parties of joined guilds will begin making dragon and legion raids. BECAUSE they now know how to do it. -
Fact: we have not yet seen any pictures of the items with stats and all.
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old.Gromnir
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1. Like alot of other people, and well done all.
2. Not every body share that kind of view .... mainly people how are not level 50 and do not yet have the full set of cool stuff.
(And yes im sorry I do have a full set of cool stuff that will last untill I hit level 50 ... could use a new ring or two but else im fine)
3. eh? Please come again ...
They have a chance to die - Tjeck!
There is a chance for drops - Tjeck!
Those who gets the items get stronger - Tjeck!
If someone gets stronger. Midgards gets stronger in total - eh and if the guy with the item is a gmip like me that dont do much rvr ?
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Orin Askhammare
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I also like the system where every guild that has someone people present says how many they have to the organiser. So if my small guild has 3 people present, and between the guilds that reported a number there is 150 people, we'd have a 1/50 chance of getting an item. If EoO had 50 present they have a 1/3 chance. You roll against that table for each item so in the end EoO would probably leave with most of the items while we might get 1 if we are lucky. Heck we might even get 2 but we would have to get extremely lucky. But at least you have a chance you'll get an item.
What bites a lot of people in small guilds is that with most current methods your chance of getting an item is basically zero, 0, nada, fuck all.
I'm not level 50 yet, so my xp is valuable to me. Why, with the current methods, would I go on a dragon raid if I have no chance of gaining anything from it. For the experience of fighting the dragon? Sure once, maybe twice... Don't assume everyone and his brother thinks he must get an item just for attending, but they at least would like to think they have a chance at an item.
And no, I wasn't at the legion raid, and if I would have had the opportunity to go I wouldn't have gone probably for exactly that reason.
This is not meant to be a rant, just some food for thought.
What bites a lot of people in small guilds is that with most current methods your chance of getting an item is basically zero, 0, nada, fuck all.
I'm not level 50 yet, so my xp is valuable to me. Why, with the current methods, would I go on a dragon raid if I have no chance of gaining anything from it. For the experience of fighting the dragon? Sure once, maybe twice... Don't assume everyone and his brother thinks he must get an item just for attending, but they at least would like to think they have a chance at an item.
And no, I wasn't at the legion raid, and if I would have had the opportunity to go I wouldn't have gone probably for exactly that reason.
This is not meant to be a rant, just some food for thought.
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Orin Askhammare
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To explain. My system is like Roo's but slightly different because guilds are not out of contention once they get one item.
Hypothetical:
EoO: 50 people (1-50)
Shadows: 10 people (51-60)
Expedient Demise: 1 person, little old me (61)
That's 61 people total. There are 5 drops, list drops in any particular order.
Uber Spear
Great Hammer of Ownage
Leopard Tank Hauberk
Hot sexy studded leather pants
Gjalpinulva's Left Nut (jewel)
Now get a random number generator (I think even excel can do it) to generate in order, 5 random numbers between 1 and 61
The numbers turn out to be 12, 45, 32, 60, 2
This would mean
To Eye of Odin:
Uber Spear
Great Hammer of Ownage
Leopard Tank Hauberk
Gjalpinulva's Left Nut (jewel)
To Shadows:
Hot sexy studded leather pants (Blood would probably like these )
To Expedient Demise:
Nothing
My guild (me) got nothing, but that's ok. At least I had a chance of an item and that's enough for me.
I can think of a way where 3 people would do this last process that would be relatively cheat free. But if people would really want to cheat they always could probably.
Hypothetical:
EoO: 50 people (1-50)
Shadows: 10 people (51-60)
Expedient Demise: 1 person, little old me (61)
That's 61 people total. There are 5 drops, list drops in any particular order.
Uber Spear
Great Hammer of Ownage
Leopard Tank Hauberk
Hot sexy studded leather pants
Gjalpinulva's Left Nut (jewel)
Now get a random number generator (I think even excel can do it) to generate in order, 5 random numbers between 1 and 61
The numbers turn out to be 12, 45, 32, 60, 2
This would mean
To Eye of Odin:
Uber Spear
Great Hammer of Ownage
Leopard Tank Hauberk
Gjalpinulva's Left Nut (jewel)
To Shadows:
Hot sexy studded leather pants (Blood would probably like these
)To Expedient Demise:
Nothing
My guild (me) got nothing, but that's ok. At least I had a chance of an item and that's enough for me.
I can think of a way where 3 people would do this last process that would be relatively cheat free. But if people would really want to cheat they always could probably.
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Originally posted by Orin Askhammare
To explain. My system is like Roo's but slightly different because guilds are not out of contention once they get one item.
Hypothetical:
EoO: 50 people (1-50)
Shadows: 10 people (51-60)
Expedient Demise: 1 person, little old me (61)
That's 61 people total. There are 5 drops, list drops in any particular order.
Uber Spear
Great Hammer of Ownage
Leopard Tank Hauberk
Hot sexy studded leather pants
Gjalpinulva's Left Nut (jewel)
Now get a random number generator (I think even excel can do it) to generate in order, 5 random numbers between 1 and 61
The numbers turn out to be 12, 45, 32, 60, 2
This would mean
To Eye of Odin:
Uber Spear
Great Hammer of Ownage
Leopard Tank Hauberk
Gjalpinulva's Left Nut (jewel)
To Shadows:
Hot sexy studded leather pants (Blood would probably like these
To Expedient Demise:
Nothing
My guild (me) got nothing, but that's ok. At least I had a chance of an item and that's enough for me.
I can think of a way where 3 people would do this last process that would be relatively cheat free. But if people would really want to cheat they always could probably.
This way yes would be the best thing to do.
But first of all.
We need to be clear that only those lvls lets say 40+ counts
if we put that lvl up for the hunt.
But like i say i dunno anyone who will do this.
Cause get first amount of ppl there.
Then get how mutch eatch guild have % of those attended
then altso dont forget the unguilded ppl altso need to be some %
And a guild 2 uber items.. hmms i dunno.
Its a suggestion a guess.
But yes it WOULD be the fairest thing to do. But the person that will do it.. It would just take ages to make it.
And to grobmir.
If that person gets a item. Its his choice.
If he dont wanna use it is not that good like all know.
Would be better to give to someone that do RvR and sutch more.
But like i said its HIS choice what to do with the item.
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Blood your guilds rp with that amount of players is amazing.
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old.Gromnir
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You could maybe make en entry for the people that wanted to join in the event, I know it might be hard to get it up and running. But if each guild (in case of guilds) could report to fx. the item holder (lootboy): we in guild XXXhotpants bring 8 people to this event. And then people from WEOWNBIGTIME say: we'll bring 18 people. And then lest but not last the non-guilded people could also say: I bring ME!
So now the itemholder have a list saying:
8
18
1
That he can use to generate numbers from. Dont know if it would work as the person holding the list would have to keep a cool head and keep track of all the /send he gets.
One way to make it easy could be to say 20min (just a number, could be 4 could be 12) before we run of to the "thing", no more people can enter the list and thus not enter the lotto.
P.S. who is grobmir?
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Solid
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Woooooooo
I am famous
Thanx Blej.
BTW Durgi, as a 49 Sb honestly cant be considered hero of the realm? I know level 45 tanks with more rp than you.
IMO Froler shoulda got that Sword and noone else, he has slayn more nme players than any tank in Midgard and its 20 times harder to kill as a tank than a Hunter or Shadowblade, why was his name not mentioned at all?
I am famous
Thanx Blej.
BTW Durgi, as a 49 Sb honestly cant be considered hero of the realm? I know level 45 tanks with more rp than you.
IMO Froler shoulda got that Sword and noone else, he has slayn more nme players than any tank in Midgard and its 20 times harder to kill as a tank than a Hunter or Shadowblade, why was his name not mentioned at all?
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old.Max Payne
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mjollniring a group and run away and let other ppl kill them and get rp's isn't hard Solid
J/k Froler dunno how you get ya rp's etc but it has to be Froler's cause Durgi will stop playing or something..
btw, I wanna do this too.. looks fun:
<whine mode>
why can't I get the sword eh? I've spend about a month guarding odin's every day with Adrira.. me wants sword too.. max very angry now.
</whine mode>
J/k Froler
dunno how you get ya rp's etc but it has to be Froler's cause Durgi will stop playing or something..btw, I wanna do this too.. looks fun:
<whine mode>
why can't I get the sword eh? I've spend about a month guarding odin's every day with Adrira.. me wants sword too.. max very angry now.
</whine mode>
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Blood
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Froler was second up for the sword, i was hooting for him
lets not lotto away dragon/legion specials to people that cant use them, and lets in the future not give stuff to people not on the raid?
here is what i suggest:
1. all items are handed to raid leader immideately
2. move to a safe place and gather around raid leader
3. turns on his chatlog (if he doesnt already)
4. when everyone is quiet, raid leader calls out stats for each dragon/legion specials
5. the people that attended the raid can then /send raid leader sign me up for x item (fx sword)
after 5 minutes raidleader logs off, to copy from his chatlog who wanted what, and make lists of that. those lists are pasted on BW forums.. those people have a number out from their name (1. 2. 3. 4. etc), and then we use a random number generator to pick one of those that signed up for each item (fx. pick random number from 1-34)
ps. these plans should first be implemented AFTER i got that spear from Gjalpniulva
lets not lotto away dragon/legion specials to people that cant use them, and lets in the future not give stuff to people not on the raid?
here is what i suggest:
1. all items are handed to raid leader immideately
2. move to a safe place and gather around raid leader
3. turns on his chatlog (if he doesnt already)
4. when everyone is quiet, raid leader calls out stats for each dragon/legion specials
5. the people that attended the raid can then /send raid leader sign me up for x item (fx sword)
after 5 minutes raidleader logs off, to copy from his chatlog who wanted what, and make lists of that. those lists are pasted on BW forums.. those people have a number out from their name (1. 2. 3. 4. etc), and then we use a random number generator to pick one of those that signed up for each item (fx. pick random number from 1-34)
ps. these plans should first be implemented AFTER i got that spear from Gjalpniulva
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It might because the people DON'T work together. Midgard can be a hostile sociale place. Only the biggest guild's are working together - The rest is only good when some relic or DF entrance is to be taken !!
But fuck that - i play the game solo as long as its fun ..... may not be that long.
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Geez, the fellow is a HERO OF MIDGARD and you havn't heard of him? You suck!
Ho the fuck is that ?!?
I never votet for a Hero of my realm.
If so - i apoint myself as Admiral of all 3 realm's!
So gimme all your items!
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Well we split the loot tonight like this..... half to one guild... half to the other.
Sorted.
Sorted.
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Fact: Hunters are some of the hardest hitting people in the realm vs. Mobs. Bow and Spears are evil, if you dont belive me try making a hunter yourself and feel it. -
Maybe so .... but without a tank with chain and alot of hp - the hunter still sux vs. grande mob's!
Maybe so .... but without a tank with chain and alot of hp - the hunter still sux vs. grande mob's!
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Originally posted by greyhead
Well we split the loot tonight like this..... half to one guild... half to the other.
Sorted.
CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!
you got two of him.
And whats this with equal to each guild that sounds lame
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old.Gromnir
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Blood could also be a good ideer.
What minimum level you you put in the epic/uberitems ? 50? or 46 to 50 ?
And yes it would take along time, but if it could help make it fair i'd be happy to read chat log's and post on BW. Only thing I dont know about is the random number generater, people would flame the item holder for taking party with some people and making sure they get them, as was the case with Blej and Durgi here (the flamming of the chars that is).
I better random number generater would imo be the BoC, could be do in two ways (or more dont know)
1: Utopia only say 4 people msg about the "uber crown of leadership" and the 4 people and the loot guy go kill amob and count the BoC. - Utopia
2: Take the lootdude and 7 random people who are known to be fair. Stick them in a group kill the mobs get the BoC numbers hand out the drops to the people who got lucky.
People would have to settle for a wait time of maybe two hours till the list of people have been posted and till all mobs have been slain for BoC.
What minimum level you you put in the epic/uberitems ? 50? or 46 to 50 ?
And yes it would take along time, but if it could help make it fair i'd be happy to read chat log's and post on BW. Only thing I dont know about is the random number generater, people would flame the item holder for taking party with some people and making sure they get them, as was the case with Blej and Durgi here (the flamming of the chars that is).
I better random number generater would imo be the BoC, could be do in two ways (or more dont know)
1: Utopia only say 4 people msg about the "uber crown of leadership" and the 4 people and the loot guy go kill amob and count the BoC. - Utopia
2: Take the lootdude and 7 random people who are known to be fair. Stick them in a group kill the mobs get the BoC numbers hand out the drops to the people who got lucky.
People would have to settle for a wait time of maybe two hours till the list of people have been posted and till all mobs have been slain for BoC.
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Whatever happened to items going to the appropriate class? With these new fancy methods being discussed it is still effectively saying any single player in a large guild has more right to an item than a single player outside of a large guild. EDIT: If you do think that just because a group of people do more combined 'damage' to a mob that they have more right to the loot then fair enough, thats your right, but I would suggest it is all made clear prior to any raid, or that you stop inviting smaller guilds or single people. Either way you will be isolating yourselves or the others, many of which Im sure like myself dont play these games just to get the best items available, its for fun and to be social without going out and spending a fortune irl on <insert alcoholic beverage/sports/any other hobby here>
Say for example a large guild on a raid with only one hunter amongst them and another unguilded (or small guild with only one) hunter present. Then the uber of uber spear/bow drops. Can anyone justify why the hunter in the large guild has more right to the drop than the other just because they are in a large guild?
This is purely and simply discriminating against a minority. If you want to run item distribution this way you will either successfully pull of these raids less and less often cause the minorities wont be about to help, or you will force them to join you all because of their ovewhelming desire for loot Either way its not the 'ideal' community I would like to associate with where all are equal.
The existing lotto was fair (with the issue of levels I mentioned earlier still debateable).
10 hunters present on raid wanting the hunter item 1/10 chance each.
10 two-handed hammer users for the uber hammer each has a 1/10 chance.
This is fairness, any of you trying to convince yourselves that it is not or some other method is fairer, are getting confused and thinking more of 'yourselves' or your 'guild' than is good for you. You have to accept that we all need each other, big and small guilds alike, melee and support classes alike.
Ok there may be some guilds that could become self sufficient with size and dedicated players, that could without the help of any outside be capable of 'soloing' all mobs, pulling off relic raids alone. I for one however dont believe in restricting my 'social circle' or community and building walls, I judge everyone individually not on the basis of their guild/class or whatever you may want to equate this too irl.
Well there I go again talking too much, my apologies to those of you that actually read this.
Say for example a large guild on a raid with only one hunter amongst them and another unguilded (or small guild with only one) hunter present. Then the uber of uber spear/bow drops. Can anyone justify why the hunter in the large guild has more right to the drop than the other just because they are in a large guild?
This is purely and simply discriminating against a minority. If you want to run item distribution this way you will either successfully pull of these raids less and less often cause the minorities wont be about to help, or you will force them to join you all because of their ovewhelming desire for loot
Either way its not the 'ideal' community I would like to associate with where all are equal. The existing lotto was fair (with the issue of levels I mentioned earlier still debateable).
10 hunters present on raid wanting the hunter item 1/10 chance each.
10 two-handed hammer users for the uber hammer each has a 1/10 chance.
This is fairness, any of you trying to convince yourselves that it is not or some other method is fairer, are getting confused and thinking more of 'yourselves' or your 'guild' than is good for you. You have to accept that we all need each other, big and small guilds alike, melee and support classes alike.
Ok there may be some guilds that could become self sufficient with size and dedicated players, that could without the help of any outside be capable of 'soloing' all mobs, pulling off relic raids alone. I for one however dont believe in restricting my 'social circle' or community and building walls, I judge everyone individually not on the basis of their guild/class or whatever you may want to equate this too irl.
Well there I go again
talking too much, my apologies to those of you that actually read this.
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lakih
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Wow, i had to scoll through alot of things (whine, bs, ideas, spam, call it what you want) just to say gratz 
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Gallak
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heh random number generators, k got one here.
you say numbers 1-50 go to EoO 51-60 go to Shadows and 61 goes to you?
K let me roll
Wow 1,2,3,4 and 5 came up, isn't that amazing!
Guess EoO gets to keep em all, what? you want to see my random number generator? don't you trust me? you want to do your own and it comes up 61 every time? Hmmmmmmm
Until the dice function is implemented in a couple of patches random number generators won't cut it
Gallak Granitefist
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you say numbers 1-50 go to EoO 51-60 go to Shadows and 61 goes to you?
K let me roll
Wow 1,2,3,4 and 5 came up, isn't that amazing!
Guess EoO gets to keep em all, what? you want to see my random number generator? don't you trust me? you want to do your own and it comes up 61 every time? Hmmmmmmm
Until the dice function is implemented in a couple of patches random number generators won't cut it
Gallak Granitefist
Proud member of Eye of Odin
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Jenna.
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Whats wrong with using copper-loot from mobs as random-generator?