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Well this whole thread seems to of been based around how hard they're more or less, even if it is newbies.
Its the very reason why they're newbies that they seem to get lost
Well this whole thread seems to of been based around how hard they're more or less, even if it is newbies.
Its the very reason why they're newbies that they seem to get lost
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[A&I]Lilly Monster
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Right I think its time I had a chat with SoWat. M8 what is ur problem ? What have u got against me ?? U have spent ur entire time in this thread doing nothing but quoting me and going on to say how much of an ass I am, yet contributed nothing remotly useful to the actual topic. Are u very very bored or do I have to apologise for a specific incident where I have caused u deep hurt ?
Otherwise ur just being unfair.
Otherwise ur just being unfair.
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vuz
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This whole thread has?
hmm, I thought it was about how much it annoyed other people, anywayz: it isn't that hard to get past snipers [fullstop]
and y they shud stick to the n00bie servers [1 to 4]
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Being newbies they most probably don't understand that fact.
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The question here isn´t why we should have snipers. They´re part of the game and players who enjoy sniping should be given the chance. U give me a GOOD reason to ban snipers instead, except that they kill u and it´s annoying.
Scince when did public servers turn into a clanwar?
You mind explaing what that and the following "arguments" has to do with the thread? There already is a _one_ sniper limit and most the arguments are simply stupid.
Let the snipers do what they´re supposed to do: snipe ppl.
The players that can´t stand this and "starts spamming the bridge in a newbie hunt for kills" aren´t the kind of ppl we should have on the server.
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old.Kurt_Angle
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This whole thing of 'newbies' 'eilte' kinda stinks, hardly the direction barrysworld should be heading, im sure the people with the money wouldn't like this too much. They put there money into barrysworld to atract people into online gamming, placing people to one side and branding them fools, isn't what a place like barrys should be doing. Anyway this whole fucking thread is about 'lilly' and his moaning backside, it doesn't matter who or what kills him, he stills moans like fuck when you drop him no matter what the game, he's been doing it for years
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Embattle
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Originally posted by Kurt_Angle
This whole thing of 'newbies' 'eilte' kinda stinks, hardly the direction barrysworld should be heading, im sure the people with the money wouldn't like this too much. They put there money into barrysworld to atract people into online gamming, placing people to one side and branding them fools, isn't what a place like barrys should be doing. Anyway this whole fucking thread is about 'lilly' and his moaning backside, it doesn't matter who or what kills him, he stills moans like fuck when you drop him no matter what the game, he's been doing it for years
If you're talking business then this setup is perfect since allows your newbies not to be just fodder but also keeps your loyal fanbase intact by providing them with newbie free servers....in theory.
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old.Kurt_Angle
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Yep thats probaly true, for sure i remember last year having to ditch barrysworld tfc because of the lack of players. In this very forum the so called Hardcore got there way, thus turning every barrysworld server into an empty server.
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does no one understand the fact that having better players on servers results in better games?
is that a complex idea?
is it too hard to realise that snipers annoy better players and thus result in them not using the servers?
is it impossible for newbies to read the title of the servers?
jeeze
one comment said public games shudn't be clanwar, to be honest I think that thats utter shite, as the best games in public servers are played how tfc is played best, like a clan war with both teams having normal amounts of offence and defence and using tactics
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is that a complex idea?
is it too hard to realise that snipers annoy better players and thus result in them not using the servers?
is it impossible for newbies to read the title of the servers?
jeeze
one comment said public games shudn't be clanwar, to be honest I think that thats utter shite, as the best games in public servers are played how tfc is played best, like a clan war with both teams having normal amounts of offence and defence and using tactics
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vuz
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hmm, another point: this thread is roughly 50-50 split between yes and no snipers shud go f**k themselves, so the fact that half the servers allow snipers shud be correct.. and there shud be servers without snipers for the people who dislike them..
hmm
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It must be that then.
Actually, It's not. I just get annoyed when I come across a foul-mouthed, airhead. Servers seem to be full of a 'certain type' of player, who is never happy, always moaning, and a general pain in the arse.
However, I read earlier that you're normally a cutey, so I'll put your comments in this thread down to the fact you were dropped on your head when young (mebbe by a sniper?).
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[A&I]Lilly Monster
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LoL ok so my eariler posts were on the war path, thing is I had just come off the server having played 30 mins on rock2 against an nme yard sniper and been sniped every single time... (no im not exagerating for effect). Also I am not "a certain type of player who is always moaning", I been very happy with BW servers for a long while and this has been my 1st gripe ever I think (except for S!lly sod about a year ago, but that dont count cuz the entire world was against him).
As for Kurt, whos sole intention in this thread has been to piss me off which he has suceeded in doing - congrats !! But m8 when u get whats called some " S K I L L Z " u will understand how annoying certain situations can be, but as ur a fucking retarded newbie dick head, I suggest u STFU when u dont know what ur talking about (erm pretty much everything).
I am not one to moan and bitch without any ideas tho. I had a thought - Its plain to see there is never a total of 16 players on the 2 Elite mixed map servers, let alone on a single one of them. Why not turn 1 of the Elite Mmixed Map servers into another Elite Old Valve Map servers and have that with a restriction of 0 Snipers and 1 HW. Maybe even allow for an increase in numbers of this class for the other Elite Old Valve Map server ? Well thats meh ideas, could be good I think. /me crosses fingers for l337 0 sniper server
As for Kurt, whos sole intention in this thread has been to piss me off which he has suceeded in doing - congrats !! But m8 when u get whats called some " S K I L L Z " u will understand how annoying certain situations can be, but as ur a fucking retarded newbie dick head, I suggest u STFU when u dont know what ur talking about (erm pretty much everything).
I am not one to moan and bitch without any ideas tho. I had a thought - Its plain to see there is never a total of 16 players on the 2 Elite mixed map servers, let alone on a single one of them. Why not turn 1 of the Elite Mmixed Map servers into another Elite Old Valve Map servers and have that with a restriction of 0 Snipers and 1 HW. Maybe even allow for an increase in numbers of this class for the other Elite Old Valve Map server ? Well thats meh ideas, could be good I think. /me crosses fingers for l337 0 sniper server
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Originally posted by ViRuZ
does no one understand the fact that having better players on servers results in better games?
is that a complex idea?
is it too hard to realise that snipers annoy better players and thus result in them not using the servers?
is it impossible for newbies to read the title of the servers?
jeeze
one comment said public games shudn't be clanwar, to be honest I think that thats utter shite, as the best games in public servers are played how tfc is played best, like a clan war with both teams having normal amounts of offence and defence and using tactics
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Most of the time
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Only because they kill you, can't see any other reason. not having a so called better player go on to a server is unlikely to matter that much, sure a newbie can fill the spot
No
Best games from whos perspective?
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I think there are only certain maps where sniper is an acceptable class to play on a so called elite server.
For instance I have been playing recently on the wireplay veterans 2fort only server - which is quite popular. Recently they have passworded it to get rid of the snipers/newbies/etc.
2fort is not a map for snipers in the elite context. the only place for a sniper is on the battlements which is not the core of the defence. a kill here delays nme by 5 secs and is utterly pointless, and pretty frustrating for his own team that he is not helping his team.
a yard sniper on rock however is much more acceptable, since this is where defence is taking place.
So I dont think you should ban snipers on the elite servers, but maybe 1 server could be set aside for sniper free action as a 2fort only server. Trust me - single map servers are popular. I got addicted to 2fort only.
For instance I have been playing recently on the wireplay veterans 2fort only server - which is quite popular. Recently they have passworded it to get rid of the snipers/newbies/etc.
2fort is not a map for snipers in the elite context. the only place for a sniper is on the battlements which is not the core of the defence. a kill here delays nme by 5 secs and is utterly pointless, and pretty frustrating for his own team that he is not helping his team.
a yard sniper on rock however is much more acceptable, since this is where defence is taking place.
So I dont think you should ban snipers on the elite servers, but maybe 1 server could be set aside for sniper free action as a 2fort only server. Trust me - single map servers are popular. I got addicted to 2fort only.
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I dont have a problem with avoiding these "newbie" snipers on most maps,And as stated before a sniper in the rock2 yard is one of the few valid positions for a sniper so in fact your bitching because he was doing his job well....Go the tunnel route sneak up on him and stab the fukka,He'll soon decide to move when youve done it a few times ;p
However on the vast majority of maps snipers give absolutely no tactical advantage(regardless of how good they may be) and spend whole games merely engaging in sniper wars with one another,So for this very reason sniper limits should be imposed cos ive lost count of the number of times ive seen 3 or 4 snipers on each team,It just doesnt make for good tfc.
For those of you who are commenting on this thread merely for arguments sake and have virtually no experience of tfc then you really have no idea of how unfun(is that a word lol) tfc really can be when faced with too many snipers,After all isnt the reason were all here to have fun??
However on the vast majority of maps snipers give absolutely no tactical advantage(regardless of how good they may be) and spend whole games merely engaging in sniper wars with one another,So for this very reason sniper limits should be imposed cos ive lost count of the number of times ive seen 3 or 4 snipers on each team,It just doesnt make for good tfc.
For those of you who are commenting on this thread merely for arguments sake and have virtually no experience of tfc then you really have no idea of how unfun(is that a word lol) tfc really can be when faced with too many snipers,After all isnt the reason were all here to have fun??
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old.Andy
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I think thats a good idea, the mixed maps servers are wasted at the moment.
Any chance of putting some of the newer valve maps on though.
Mainly because I reckon Avanti could be pretty good if played by two teams who knew what they were doing.
Oh and maybe Flagrun as well?
Also, to be honest, I think a zero sniper limit would be fine on the Elite and Skilled servers, with maybe a 1 sniper limit on the newbie server. I think newbies should have at least a fair chance of having a proper game, without 6 snipers a-side making it pointless.
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I'd rather face a good sniper than a good soldier in pretty much any situation
The problem with most snipers are that they aren't team orientated, I think I've only ever seen about 2 snipers that give warning of incoming enemys and suchlike.
Generally the level of play on the elite servers is slowly getting better, so I'd say keep the sniper level to 1.
Oh, I've just been tweaking my sniper.cfg to include:
bind x say ">HEADSHOT< , THAT'LL SLOW HIM DOWN !1!1!!"
bind z say " >>>>!!!!!!$$4$$$$ LOL <<<<!!!!!£$$4$44"
hmmm, any other suggestions?
The problem with most snipers are that they aren't team orientated, I think I've only ever seen about 2 snipers that give warning of incoming enemys and suchlike.
Generally the level of play on the elite servers is slowly getting better, so I'd say keep the sniper level to 1.
Oh, I've just been tweaking my sniper.cfg to include:
bind x say ">HEADSHOT< , THAT'LL SLOW HIM DOWN !1!1!!"
bind z say " >>>>!!!!!!$$4$$$$ LOL <<<<!!!!!£$$4$44"
hmmm, any other suggestions?
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old.erricc
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This is all very elitist...kinda sad.
Elite ppl moaning their games being invaded by LESSER ppl.
Do all you guys vote tory?
Elite ppl moaning their games being invaded by LESSER ppl.
Do all you guys vote tory?
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stu
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What a bunch of whiners.
Can you remove the AK from CS please, as I seem to die a lot when people use it on me, so it's clearly lame.
Thx.
Can you remove the AK from CS please, as I seem to die a lot when people use it on me, so it's clearly lame.
Thx.
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old.Andy
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Maybe when Lilly started this thread he unfortunately gave the impression that the only reason he wanted snipers removed was because they were no skill newbies who had killed him. It was this that I was disagreeing with, as there are some very good snipers out there.
But that doesn't stop the other points being true, on virtually all TFC maps snipers are pointless. Although they are usually in their own base, they are as bad, if not worse than mid-field deathmatchers. They are neither offence or defence and in most cases don't care about the objective of the map. As long as their own score is good, whether their team wins or loses is not important.
That is why I suggested their should be a sniper limit on even the Newbie servers. Why subject them to stupid sniper wars?
And as for the servers being elitist, there are no formal applications or questionnaires for joining the "Elite" server. It's just a way of giving people a choice.
But that doesn't stop the other points being true, on virtually all TFC maps snipers are pointless. Although they are usually in their own base, they are as bad, if not worse than mid-field deathmatchers. They are neither offence or defence and in most cases don't care about the objective of the map. As long as their own score is good, whether their team wins or loses is not important.
That is why I suggested their should be a sniper limit on even the Newbie servers. Why subject them to stupid sniper wars?
And as for the servers being elitist, there are no formal applications or questionnaires for joining the "Elite" server. It's just a way of giving people a choice.
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old.erricc
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Same choice as a commoner going into the Rizt hotel....you just get that feeling you not wanted and unworthy to be there.
Besides I was commentating on the ELITIST attitude..not the fact the server is not open to newbies.
BTW get rid of the awp....i hate getting shot in the 10th sec and sitting out for 3 mins.
Besides I was commentating on the ELITIST attitude..not the fact the server is not open to newbies.
BTW get rid of the awp....i hate getting shot in the 10th sec and sitting out for 3 mins.
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old.Andy
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No it's not, at the Ritz they may judge you on appearance etc, but on a public game server, the only thing you'll be judged on is how you play.
And as for the elitism in this thread, surely you don't disagree that people who've been playing for a couple of years will probably be better than those who've just started, and that these people may prefer to play with other people of a similar standard?
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stu
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When you own your own server, you are more than welcome to choose who plays on it. Until then, maybe you should look up the definition of "public".
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rah stu is sexy
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old.Andy
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Stu, why did you bother quoting me?
You haven't referred to what you quoted at all, I can only guess that you don't agree that people generally improve at a game over time?
Or maybe you disagree that people wouldn't get a better game by playing with others of a similar standard?
I never said I wanted to ban new players from the "Elite" server, I just said that maybe they would get a better game elsewhere.
You haven't referred to what you quoted at all, I can only guess that you don't agree that people generally improve at a game over time?
Or maybe you disagree that people wouldn't get a better game by playing with others of a similar standard?
I never said I wanted to ban new players from the "Elite" server, I just said that maybe they would get a better game elsewhere.
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old.erricc
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Im sure new players are quite able to find other servers that suit them if they find 'ELITE' servers to be not to their taste. Perhaps they enjoy sniping 'elite' arses
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Its upto the player which server they join, newbies haven't been baned from the elite servers.
Lets change one of the elite servers into a "team play" server for ppl who want team play and not just DM, snipers shouldn't need to be baned cus they wouldn't want to play but lets ban them from this server neway and HWs to 2 a team.
BW1 Newbie
BW2 Newbie
BW3 Skilled
BW4 Skilled
BW5 Elite
BW6 Elite
BW7 Team play
BW8 Hunted only
Lets change one of the elite servers into a "team play" server for ppl who want team play and not just DM, snipers shouldn't need to be baned cus they wouldn't want to play but lets ban them from this server neway and HWs to 2 a team.
BW1 Newbie
BW2 Newbie
BW3 Skilled
BW4 Skilled
BW5 Elite
BW6 Elite
BW7 Team play
BW8 Hunted only
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Originally posted by BigSir
Oh, I've just been tweaking my sniper.cfg to include:
bind x say ">HEADSHOT< , THAT'LL SLOW HIM DOWN !1!1!!"
bind z say " >>>>!!!!!!$$4$$$$ LOL <<<<!!!!!£$$4$44"
hmmm, any other suggestions?
erm... Bind Mouse1 "Kill"
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lol you all still don't get it.
if there's one thing that this thread has made me want to do, it's download TFC, join an Elite server and sit there sniping the shit out of all you lamers.
if there's one thing that this thread has made me want to do, it's download TFC, join an Elite server and sit there sniping the shit out of all you lamers.
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*sigh*... kudos to you if you can and i wouldnt have any problem with that since the majority of us only have an isue with those snipers who merely engage in sniper wars and not with those who actually do the intended job.