News Koran burning?

[Roo Stercogburn]

Its direct provocation. I wouldn't say its illegal but certainly ill advised.

However, one of the things I find interesting about this discussion is the fear of reprisal rather than just a muppet-in-a-pulpit argument that seems to colour many responses.

 

[ECA]

Its direct provocation. I wouldn't say its illegal but certainly ill advised.

However, one of the things I find interesting about this discussion is the fear of reprisal rather than just a muppet-in-a-pulpit argument that seems to colour many responses.

His bonfire permit was denied so it is very much illegal
He will be fined and it will be put out by the fire brigade.

 

[Mabs]

isnt it breaching some sort of incitement to racial hatred sort of law ? dunno

thing i was most suprised about is it -wasnt- everyones favourite WBC wankers

and hes a cock, if he wants to do it, fine go ahead.

if you ring up the nationals and tell people your going to do it, then your a glory seeking cock end

and this in a country that gets hung up about flag burning, you really think its " a bit of paper" to them ?

 

[SilverHood]

It's a legitimate form of protest.

They burn the US, GB, Danish, French, Norwegian flags whenever they feel like it. Tolerance and respect is a two way street, and if they live in a glass house, then my advice is to not throw stones. Failing that, get over it. They do a lot worse to other religions on a daily basis.

 

[Ch3tan]

I love the ignorance over flag burning in the US, Yanks are scarily patriotic, and they do not appreciate that shit one bit.

Also, this guy is not burning korans to highlight the stupidity of killing over a book, he's doing it for PR for his crazy church, and his belief that another religion is more evil than his own.

 

[Embattle]

He is a prat.

 

[DaGaffer]

I heard on radio 2 that if you go into saudi arabia and they find a bible on you then they shread it to prevent it coming intot hte country ..

How is that different to burning a Koran.

Why should we have to tip toe around a whole religion when they show no tollerance themselves.

And all religion sucks M'kay.

Ah, the old "Saudi Arabia do this" argument. The whole point is the West isn't Saudi Arabia, and we have a hard-won tradition of religious tolerance. We're better than them (supposedly).

It's a legitimate form of protest.

They burn the US, GB, Danish, French, Norwegian flags whenever they feel like it. Tolerance and respect is a two way street, and if they live in a glass house, then my advice is to not throw stones. Failing that, get over it. They do a lot worse to other religions on a daily basis.

See above. No it isn't a "two way street". And book burning of any sort in the west has particularly nasty connotations, and should be avoided anyway.

And "legitimate form of protest"? Really, what is this nutbar actually protesting against? Looks more like a particularly nasty-minded PR stunt for his poxy little church to me.

 

[Mabs]

"Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings."

 

[rynnor]

His bonfire permit was denied so it is very much illegal
He will be fined and it will be put out by the fire brigade.

I dont think he needs one - he can do it under protected free speech the same way that flag burning is protected - you dont need a permit for it.

 

[Turamber]

Can't agree with the burning of any book, even the provocative Daily Mail-esque writings of Richard Dawkins. Besides the Koran is not an "evil" book, and most of the people who follow its writings are peaceful - and wouldn't dream of burning the Bible.

 

[Raven]

Provocative = revealing the truth and having the balls to stand up the stupidity of religion? Or are you one of those hilarious creationists?

 

[Scouse]

isnt it breaching some sort of incitement to racial hatred sort of law

Lets be clear - Muslims are not a race. Islam is an idea. Nothing more.

The way to beat bullies is this: Front up to them.


I think this guy should burn the book. And if some nutbar goes on a kill crazy rampage the next week this guy should get twenty priests in a line, get them all to wipe their arse on the book and show the skiddy to camera, then bore a hole in the book and stick their cocks through it, bumming each adjacent priest through the book in a circle of 'fuck the shitty koran'.

In the background some non-burka clad nekkid wimminz should dance in sexually provocative ways. Possibly random sex with strangers should occur.

Sooner or later they'll get the idea. You can't threaten violence to get your own way.



BTW - this isn't a religious tolerance issue. I'm not advocating killing people who believe in Islam. This is a freedom issue, more than anything else.

 

[rynnor]

Apparently theres call for a protest to burn US flags outside the american embassy in London - that'll teach em... :

 

[nath]

Lets be clear - Muslims are not a race. Islam is an idea. Nothing more.

The way to beat bullies is this: Front up to them.


I think this guy should burn the book. And if some nutbar goes on a kill crazy rampage the next week this guy should get twenty priests in a line, get them all to wipe their arse on the book and show the skiddy to camera, then bore a hole in the book and stick their cocks through it, bumming each adjacent priest through the book in a circle of 'fuck the shitty koran'.

In the background some non-burka clad nekkid wimminz should dance in sexually provocative ways. Possibly random sex with strangers should occur.

Sooner or later they'll get the idea. You can't threaten violence to get your own way.



BTW - this isn't a religious tolerance issue. I'm not advocating killing people who believe in Islam. This is a freedom issue, more than anything else.

Thing is, if the threat was to his own life and not, if that general is to be believed, to US soldiers out in the shit, I'd say go for it. I think it comes down to the fact that he's been asked not to for good reasons, so common decency says he should say "OK".

Now if he were holding talks about the evils of parts of islamic fundamentalism and it had a similar level of press (of course it wouldn't) I'd not think he should back down. Risk/reward, burning books is shit on so many levels and other people may get killed as a result.

Although really the media shouldn't have decided to hop on this so hotly, they're all fucking jumped up gossip mags.



Rynnor, if that's the reaction and no violence I'm all for it. In fact, it makes me want to pop down to Westminster with a US flag, a Union Jack, a Bible, a Koran, a Torah and any other things I can think of and burn them all in a single act of egalitarian hatred for all.

 

[Scouse]

Apparently theres call for a protest to burn US flags outside the american embassy in London - that'll teach em... :

Cool!

Like any man worth his salt, I like a nice fire




Edit: And nath, I think your distaste for this may be a tad misplaced. With UK and US troops tooling it around the planet killing muslims left, right and centre, including women and children and with little regard as to whether they actually should be killed, I don't think a little book burning will be the thing that tips them over the edge.

If Islamic 'extremists' are going to kill westerners they've already got ample reason.

But the point still stands IMHO. Yes, the bloke is a twat but no, he shouldn't back down. BURN IT! BURN IT! BURN IT!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Can we add that as Toht-repulsion to the COC?

(Sorry Toht, just a joke )

Oh quite alright, just add it towards -everyone- and it'll be fine

where the hell is Toht anyway? i expected him to be all over this thread by now.

So people have a problem with me participating AND not participating in discussions? Go figure, it's a love/hate relationship

About book burning;

Well, last famous book burning happened around..err...40s? We all know how well that ended.

So maybe the gentleman in question, along with any people with such strong opinions, need to take a step back and concentrate on their own shit before going digging around other peoples toiletbowls.

About how the problem is with the people who react to it, instead of the person doing the action;

If you go to a 7 foot tall boxer, call him a fag, taunt his penis and keep poking the bear until he hits you, you have no right to whine about the man kicking the crap out of you.

Sure, you have a right to do anything you want, but you also carry the consequences.

 

[Chilly]

if I lived there, I'd go across the street and burn 50 bibles while shouting crazy muslim prayers. would be fucking funny. I couldnt care less about the lives of american soldiers, frankly. let him burn them all day long, let him make a twat of himself, let the crazies react - it wont change anything.

 

[Mabs]

Lets be clear - Muslims are not a race. Islam is an idea. Nothing more.

The way to beat bullies is this: Front up to them.


I think this guy should burn the book. And if some nutbar goes on a kill crazy rampage the next week this guy should get twenty priests in a line, get them all to wipe their arse on the book and show the skiddy to camera, then bore a hole in the book and stick their cocks through it, bumming each adjacent priest through the book in a circle of 'fuck the shitty koran'.

In the background some non-burka clad nekkid wimminz should dance in sexually provocative ways. Possibly random sex with strangers should occur.

Sooner or later they'll get the idea. You can't threaten violence to get your own way.



BTW - this isn't a religious tolerance issue. I'm not advocating killing people who believe in Islam. This is a freedom issue, more than anything else.

so

you want to fight against the way the evil nutters are forcing their opinions on you...
by forcing your opinion on them ?

right ok then !

dont confuse a legitimate protest about something with someone grandstanding for their 5 mins of TV time under the guise of a protest

burn koran/flags/whatever, fine
warn the TV stations, radio, etc, you are going to do it before hand - grandstanding

 

[rynnor]

Rynnor, if that's the reaction and no violence I'm all for it. In fact, it makes me want to pop down to Westminster with a US flag, a Union Jack, a Bible, a Koran, a Torah and any other things I can think of and burn them all in a single act of egalitarian hatred for all.

I think that would likely be illegal in the UK under 'Incitement to religious hatred' laws.

 

[Scouse]

If you go to a 7 foot tall boxer, call him a fag, taunt his penis and keep poking the bear until he hits you, you have no right to whine about the man kicking the crap out of you.

Sure, you have a right to do anything you want, but you also carry the consequences.

How about if that boxer goes and beats the living shit out of someone in the next village?

Would that make him the c*nt?

It is the people who react who are the bigger twats.


"Don't you dare burn that book in a country that's miles away from me. DON'T YOU DARE! IF YOU DO I'LL FUCKING KILL SOME RANDOM WHITE PEOPLE NEAR ME!!111!!!!11!1111oneeleven!!11111ragggggez0r!!111!@"

 

[Calaen]

The Daily Mash - US CHURCH TO COMMEMORATE 9-11 BY CAUSING ANOTHER ONE

 

[Scouse]

you want to fight against the way the evil nutters are forcing their opinions on you...

by forcing your opinion on them ?

Not at all Mabs


I'm not threatening to kill anyone if they do something. For all I care the 'extremists' who feel this way could burn bibles, science textbooks, flags, their own houses down. Whatever! I don't care! I certainly won't threaten them with violent death for it.

How's that "forcing my opinion" on someone?

 

[nath]

It is the people who react who are the bigger twats.

That's such an obvious statement as to be a little stupid, I'm surprised at you, Scouse.

I haven't seen *anyone* suggest that the Koran burner is more of a twat than anyone who would carry out a murder because of it. That's absolutely *looney*. The thing I, and some others, are saying is that irrespective of the whole "I should be allowed to do this" bullshit, there's a simple cause and effect going on here. There are consequences to this guys actions and he needs to weigh up whether the (potential) added risk of someone else getting killed is really worth the utterly tacky and pointless effort of burning the Koran.

 

[old.Tohtori]

How about if that boxer goes and beats the living shit out of someone in the next village?

Would that make him the c*nt?

It is the people who react who are the bigger twats.

"Don't you dare burn that book in a country that's miles away from me. DON'T YOU DARE! IF YOU DO I'LL FUCKING KILL SOME RANDOM WHITE PEOPLE NEAR ME!!111!!!!11!1111oneeleven!!11111ragggggez0r!!111!@"

Ofcourse consequences should come to those that are resåponsible, but if you know that the consequences of your actions(especially if the actions aren't required) will hurt others, then you carry the responsibility of it.

Kind of like telling the boxer that "This village hates you".

 

[Scouse]

BTW - that daily mash is epic. EPIC, I tell you!

But seriously, no book fires or it's kaboom-time. You can take that to the bank and cash it.

Fuck LOL!

 

[Chilly]

I tell you what, though. With a moustache like that the man can do what he wants.

 

[Scouse]

"I should be allowed to do this" bullshit

But but! It's not bullshit!

We should be "allowed" to do this. And currently it's taboo - because of the threat of violence.

The only way through this situation, as I see it, is to front up as you would to a bully.

TBH, I think this vicar twat is the closest thing we've had to an "alternative comedian" since the 1980's. Regardless of motive he's certainly challenging people's views

 

[old.Tohtori]

I agree that people should be "allowed to do this", but they should also agree to a "i brought this on myself and others" clause

I don't think the preacher is saying "I challenge the muslim nation! -I- am to be blamed!". No, he's making it look like a bigger group is behind it. Well, a nation even.

 

[Scouse]

if you know that the consequences of your actions(especially if the actions aren't required) will hurt others, then you carry the responsibility of it.

If I was pushing a tyre down a hill and it ran across a road, then yes. My bad.

If I was driving too quickly and came off the road and killed my passengers. My bad.

If I was raping Wij, and for some reason he didn't like it. My bad.



If I insult someone and they go and hurt an unrelated party: Their bad.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not if you know that it's a likely outcome.

If you know that by insulting someone they will do something bad; both bad.