Jjura got banned

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Shike

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Originally posted by AevarSS
this screenshot http://www.geocities.com/aevarss/sshot078.jpg (copy and paste link) was taken the day i got accused of speed hacking. all i did that day was log on, and go to a sidi raid, then log off halfway through because i felt ill. when i climbed on the horse at gothwaite, i was ported to the other side of gothwaite harbour and found myself on the back of a necromancer galloping through the forest, i didnt get a screenshot of that part unfortunately, the only time it occured to me to get one was after id dismounted, yes it would be very easy to fake that SS i guess, you could say id set it up, but then id say "why?"

i doubt this is the reason why GOA banned me really, i find it difficult to see how they could interpret a paladin riding on the back of a necro as a speed hack, but then take a step back, and look at the other people who have had bugs the same/similar to this and ask yourself "is it still impossible to think that maybe this was a mistake?"
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uuuh... You still think people are stupid right? So that was the day you was reported hmm? Okey...

well.. doesnt really make any sense dude. Why do I say this? well.. I think a picture is better now actually.

here is your picture that you say you was accused

jjura1.jpg


allright... nice and all, I guess..

here is now the day where I saw you running so damn fast that I even didnt manage to SS your avatar before you had zoomed off in mach<godknowswhat>, at first I even thought I missed to target you at the mmg since you was running too fast as soon as you saw us come running in mach5.

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allright.. nothing odd there right?

now comes the interesting part, we ran off after you in towards the hmg and found you fightin the little lurri you can see on this SS.. mind you we was running in mach5 and didnt see anyone near you at mmg when you took off faster than a mincer with sos+sprint toward hmg, you actually had time to start to engage a little lurri before we caught up with you at hmg.

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and as you can see, there is a slight difference on your SS and mine no? Kinda.. changed guild and colours and all, still same toon though. So I guess you have had this "speedbug" quite often then since you cant even place when it occured? :doh:

I am sure you somehow managed to get teleported, riding on a necropet from MMG to HMG faster than mach5, then LDd and then came back, engaged a stalker in melee until we finally caught you, slammed you so you couldnt run off again and SSd it.

Great fairy tale Jjura, in my eyes you are a piece of garbage that got what you deserved, nothing more nothing less, what makes you more sad is that you come here on this forum and play the innocent victim. I'd say you probably had GOA monitoring you for a while and when they finally caught you redhanded they banned you. You Sir are a piece of art. Now go play CS and cheat like so many others do. Tata.

(sorry for the pics, I know they are large and take alot of bandwith)
 
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kaine_1

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GoA make 8 quid per month for each account, no way they are going to ban a paying customer unless they got good reason too do so.

Thing is you can post any story you like, but GoA cant really comment back due to DPA.

I would also think that if this is something that others have abused before, then those people at GoA might of actually been told what to look for (contrary to popular belief, they arnt all little gnomes, some of them are normal human beings, with average or *shock* above intelligence)

I know who I believe
 
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toxx

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As u can see in the 3rd screenshot "Briton Warder". In red / white emblem on shield and cloak, with red armour.

Jjura Deadman Kupo Flux 50 152,920 29,457 Paladin Briton None
Taken from duskwave.

For starters hes RR3.. so Myrrmidon (spelling?).

Secondly he was in Kupo Flux at the time you took your screenshots, And their emblem is Blue / White (just look at the first screenshot) so how could he have been in the red / white emblem'd guild?

Ok, so for starters he would have had to be in a different guild to have that emblem on. This his guild would have spotted for sure, and would have mentioned it on this thread aswell?

Also just wondering where exactly that was that u killed jjura?

Cause hes not on your screen, and u say u followed him to hmg... in the second pic he is on 95% hp (obviously just starting the fight with the NS) and in the 3rd pic hes dead, but only 10seconds have elapsed since taking the second screen shot. What i want to know is, if hes not infront of you, and not in clipping range, does he have stealth? cause hes fightining in that screenshot (due to low hp.. not 100% sure but i would guess this is what happend) yet 10seconds later u found him and killed him?

I dont think any of it adds up, i just think it was really really buggy odd laggy whatever, would love someone to explain it to me cause i dont understand much of what happend in that incident.

Personally i think Jjura is victim to a really bad series of lag / game problems that i cant really explain myself. IF there is more evidence showing that jjura was cheating i would love to see it to put my mind at rest.

I know him IRL, and ingame ofc. Personally i dont think he cheated.. and would if he had the chance. from what i can gather theres not enough evidence to say he wasnt or IS cheating, which makes me think banning him was out of order.
 
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chimaira

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that third screenshot looks like guardians of vetutsa guild emblem.
 
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torcuil

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Actually, I've seen bugs where a player can appear as someone completely different. To themselves, they look normal, but to everyone else, when they're targetted, a different name shows up and they look like the one with that name, or they look like themselves but yield a different name when targetted.

Those screenshots could be of just such a bug, especially considering that emblem is definitely NOT Kupo Flux'.

Would someone who recognises the emblem in the last picture please identify the guild and confirm whether or not they have someone called Jjura in it?

Edit: The colours are right, but Guardians of Vetutsa have a cross emblem, not a... cat-like thing... like in that picture.
 
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toxx

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That emblem doesnt belong to any guild on alb prydwen
 
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torcuil

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Also, that dead person in the last screenshot is a female character that's not wearing plate armour.
 
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toxx

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i think you might be right too.

yet in the second screenshot it says .. "You examine jjura. HE is a memeber of the enemy realm".
 
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Sagba

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With Mach5+sprint you can move from MMG to HMG in under 10secs? Doubt you can...

Before Shike posted those screenshots I had no opinion about this. Now it looks clear that Jjura was victim of some kind of bug.

Ashitaka: I'm sure you are willing to share that fraps with us?
 
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torcuil

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Another thing I've been wondering about: 'Jjura's attacks move with the speed of the wind'?

I'm not very familiar with Albion, but... do paladins have self-haste?
 
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toxx

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afaik both his boots and his gloves have reactive haste procs on them... like my reavers SC set. Thats the message u will see when your haste proc goes off
 
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torcuil

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Aaah, I see.

But a proc on armour surely wouldn't go off because he's been ticked by a DoT, would it? 'Cos that's what it looks like is happening in the screenshot.

(If a DoT can set off a proc, yes, I'm an ignorant blighter. Sue me.)
 
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zaberhut

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Shike:

"I missed to target you at the mmg"
Sep 28 2:44:43PM

"we ran off after you in towards the hmg and found you fightin the little lurri you can see on this SS"
Sep 28 2:44:53PM

ehh where did u find Jjura?

"you actually had time to start to engage a little lurri before we caught up with you at hmg."

To run mmg to hmg takes way longer then 10 sec so IF he was using speedcheat your group must have been using it aswell if u ran MMG to HMG and had time to get the killing blow off in 10 sec.


toxx:

"That emblem doesnt belong to any guild on alb prydwen"

Actually, if u rotate the pic and zoom in a bit you can see that it kinda looks like this one http://www.nolbypride.se/daoc/guildinfo.php?server=Prydwen&guildid=1556 Royal Anthem is the most simular guild emblem i could find, dunno if Jjura was ever in that guild but looks like their guild emblem.
 
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SoulFly Amarok

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Originally posted by torcuil
Actually, I've seen bugs where a player can appear as someone completely different. To themselves, they look normal, but to everyone else, when they're targetted, a different name shows up and they look like the one with that name, or they look like themselves but yield a different name when targetted.
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http://www.sunpoint.net/~soulflys/furball

hax hax hax. Either someone has a GM account or smt is really fooked up with jjura, check rp gained from him aswell.
 
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Tafaya Anathas

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IF he had cheated, GOA is right. But there are so many bugs and strange things like lag ghost, sudden mach X, strange teleports etc. so the minimum thing from GOA had to be that they give THE REASON why they ban him. Once I was bought a ticket in Ludlow to Castle Sauvage, gave it to stabler and found myself in the middle of mpk hw. And that picture with a dead female briton warden with a non-existent guild emblem named Jjura is quiet looks like a bug. So if GOA say "we banned you because the logs clearly show u've used speedcheat' then case closed, you can't do nothing more. But if they aren't explain it EVERYBODY can be in danger of banning because of bugs.
 
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Kaitlyn

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I have known Pete ( Jjura) in game and out for a long time now, he has never struck me as the type to cheat, or need to either. I also have gotten to see how upset he was by this whole incident , and do truely, without a shadow of doubt, think that there is something else going on.
 
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Harm

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Speaking of strange incidents - I don't think the "teleporting-to-other-side-of-town-and-riding-on-another-player's-back" bug has something to do with this.

As recent as yesterday, I had my BB behave that way. Went to the stable merchant in Aegir, the one across the bridge, and bought a ticket to Bjarken. Suddenly I found myself at the other side of Aegir - watching another player riding on my back (!), going off into the distance, where as I was soon automatically dismounted from the "horse" and had to run back.

This particular event happened again after running back to get a new ticket to Bjarken.

I did a quick relog - and the problem was gone.

This might not make any sense, but it could have something to do with running 2 accounts simultaneously. The game's both clients are being started from the same executable, where as the chars are (obviously) at different places in the realm. Well, just a thought.

As for the cheating discussion I don't have much of a comment, other than I don't think Goa would choose to take such an action without reason.
 
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zaberhut

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The problem in mid with porting when buying a ticket from merchant across the bridge has nothing whatsoever to do with dual logging, had it many times without dual log, i have 2 comps and this has happened to me on both of them at the same time.

There are loads and loads of bugs still needing to be fixed in the Si and regular Daoc zone's and yet Mythic decides to release another expansion that will surley hold some itself, kinda of topic but imo fix the damn bugs before u start making new ones.

quote from random player mid/excal: How nice i just got stuck in the ground in Aegir and cant get loose, but atleast i have this neat pointy hat to wear while im stuck here.


edit: spelling etc
 
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old.Psi

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Originally posted by Harm
As for the cheating discussion I don't have much of a comment, other than I don't think Goa would choose to take such an action without reason.
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The reason is people complaining and reporting it to RightNow, because of these people GOA had to take action, regardless of whether it was down to bugs or speedhack or anything...
 
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Bebopbo

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If GoA get enough complaints they will look into the matter of the char involved. For them to Ban him means imo leaves only 2 options:

-Illegal account
-All famous "hax"

As some have already said, his account was 100% lagit, so i assume that its down to the latter, i might be wrong but imo Hax are the only reason why ppl should be banned from daoc & for them to ban him, means they must have had solid evidance.

Eventually the GoA police will catch you up :p
 
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-Nxs-

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Not one to kick up the dust again here, but ive spoken to Jjura of late.

Im convinced more than ever that he did not cheat

Im also convinced that GOA had evindence in logs and reports that looked like the character was moving way to fast

There seriously is something wrong here

The poor guy jsut wants to give up now and forget about this, move on - and I'll respect that, im just concerned that this will happen again... maybe to you forget for one moment the previous posts, and just think how you would feel if you had an email from GOA saying that your account is banned. That would really make me flip, I really believe that he did not install or use any 3rd party program
 
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hrodelbert

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Originally posted by Harm
This might not make any sense, but it could have something to do with running 2 accounts simultaneously. The game's both clients are being started from the same executable, where as the chars are (obviously) at different places in the realm. Well, just a thought.
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Yup happened when i strapped two pc's to a single 56k modem, if i started downloading something on the other one while i was changing from say camp forest to avalon marsh and i got the timing just right i could make hrodel perform various acts of hilarity, including riding dunters in lyonesse as i said before, i also managed to turn my horse into a spirit wolf near camelot and various other ports and transformation.
 
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