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old.wizard1974uk
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Bank at Barclays or John and me will come round and blow yer f**king head off. 
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Munkey-
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I rather liked the "big bank" image.
good little thing to watch before the film at the cinema started (ah, those were the good old days)
i miss the cheshire oaks warner brother cinema and the wrexham odeon
good little thing to watch before the film at the cinema started (ah, those were the good old days)
i miss the cheshire oaks warner brother cinema and the wrexham odeon
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old.Jas
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That must have cost them a fortune. They can afford it though - £25 for a letter to tell you your overdrawn
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Will
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Hand me my bank book, it's the one that says 'Bad Motherfucker'
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Summo
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We are keepers of your money. Not soldiers.
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Mellow-
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"Barclays Bank, if you absolutely positively have to bank with every mother f*cker in the room, except no substitutes"
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Wij
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accept not except !!!11 
(note time in morning to work out why I'm in a bad mood)
(note time in morning to work out why I'm in a bad mood)
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Sawtooth
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Say what one more time, I dare you
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Sawtooth
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Do they have banks in What?
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Scouse
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Barclays bank - the fuckers:
http://www.contractoruk.co.uk/news230502.html
Glad I don't work there...
http://www.contractoruk.co.uk/news230502.html
Glad I don't work there...
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JohnyWishbone
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Now I know where all my extortionate charges goto, big Sams pocket. I would'nt argue with him though, not even on the phone.
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xane
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I work in IT within the finance industry, and in my company contractors got a similar rate cut.
The point is contractors in this sector of industry earn a rather fantastic salary (like two to three times a permanent employee doing the same job) and shouldn't really complain about their employers holding them to the contract they signed.
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I have a mate who works in barclays and he saying that it's all kicking off and the only reason they announced it now is coz most of the contracting companies knew!
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Scouse
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Here we go again Cam you labour supporter you
So what if contractors earn loads of money - they don't get any benefits (sick pay/holidays/holiday pay/health insurance/company pension etc...). And frankly - they don't want it.
They come into a company, do a job, and leave. Good on 'em. More permie staff would do it if they had the balls - but they're too scared of being out of work.
And I'm sure they wouldn't really complain if their "employers" were holding themselves to the "contract they signed".
Barclays: Turn down the other contract for 28 quid an hour OK? Come work here for 6 months - we'll pay you 30 quid an hour for your work.
Contractor: OK then.
Barclays (2 months later): Actually - we only want to pay you 24 quid an hour - or you can fuck off and have no work.
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xane
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What part of contracting don't you understand ?
Each contract is renegotiated on completion, there is NO guarentee that the next contract with the same employer will be for the same money doing the same job for the same hours. There has never been any obligation by either party to continue a contract after it has expired.
Most contracts allow the employer to give instant termination, that's just f*cking tough, but if that clause wasn't there then there'd be no point having a contract as far as the employer is concerned.
Likewise, if contractors want job security they should become permanent, otherwise risk the fact that the next contract may not be as juicy as the last. Moving from job to job is a way of life for contracting, its one of the reasons I decided not to be a contractor any more.
And as a permanent employee I'm not "scared of being out of work", rather my wife and kids (and perhaps the mortgage company) might have a different view.
Contractor rates work both ways, if the industry as a whole starts to cut back then your rate goes down, alternatively once companies start paying more for contractors then it goes back up. Overall, contractors in IT in the finance sector have benefitted emormously over the years from very high rates, but it doesn't last forever.
Each contract is renegotiated on completion, there is NO guarentee that the next contract with the same employer will be for the same money doing the same job for the same hours. There has never been any obligation by either party to continue a contract after it has expired.
Most contracts allow the employer to give instant termination, that's just f*cking tough, but if that clause wasn't there then there'd be no point having a contract as far as the employer is concerned.
Likewise, if contractors want job security they should become permanent, otherwise risk the fact that the next contract may not be as juicy as the last. Moving from job to job is a way of life for contracting, its one of the reasons I decided not to be a contractor any more.
And as a permanent employee I'm not "scared of being out of work", rather my wife and kids (and perhaps the mortgage company) might have a different view.
Contractor rates work both ways, if the industry as a whole starts to cut back then your rate goes down, alternatively once companies start paying more for contractors then it goes back up. Overall, contractors in IT in the finance sector have benefitted emormously over the years from very high rates, but it doesn't last forever.
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Contracting is where you go the toilet and the...........
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is it true that will smith is making a harlem version of oceans 11?
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is it true that will smith is making a harlem version of oceans 11?
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Scouse
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Cam - they're not refusing to renew contracts - they're CANCELLING peoples contracts with the aim of re-hiring them at a lower rate straight away.
That's simply not fucking right. (and no, I don't work for Barclays).
Contractors have a bad rap for appearing "greedy". When this is the way they get treated, often after showing lots of undue loyalty to a company, who can blame them?
I know lots of contractors with wife and kids. Don't kid yourself that worry about being out of work isn't the thing that stops you contracting - you just said it in the sentance. You feel that you can provide better for the wife and kids in permanent employment - and you may or may not be right - but its the fear of uncertainty that stops you.
That's simply not fucking right. (and no, I don't work for Barclays).
Contractors have a bad rap for appearing "greedy". When this is the way they get treated, often after showing lots of undue loyalty to a company, who can blame them?
I know lots of contractors with wife and kids. Don't kid yourself that worry about being out of work isn't the thing that stops you contracting - you just said it in the sentance. You feel that you can provide better for the wife and kids in permanent employment - and you may or may not be right - but its the fear of uncertainty that stops you.
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old.wizard1974uk
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Don't forget they send you a letter saying that you are £1.01 away from being overdrawn, then charge you £25 for sending you this letter, which then makes you overdrawn. Then they start rubbing their hands because they know that they're going to send you another letter telling you are now overdrawn then charge another £25.
No wonder their profits are sky high.
Then eventually out comes a nasty letter threatening to terminate your account if you overdraft is not brought within the limit.
They did this to me twice!!
I am stuck with them because I've been using my overdraft for 2 years now.
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Scouse,
You still haven't got the idea of contracting, have you ? The whole point of a company offering a contract is so they can cancel it at any time, and then renegotiate if necessary. It _is_ "fucking right" because if that was not the case there'd be far fewer contractors around.
Why should a company forgoe permanent employees and pay a much higher rate ? Answer is so they don't have the tedious problem of sacking them, or with redundancy, pensions, etc, etc, etc. A contract employee is simply taking advantage of the company's desire to have "hassle-free employement", and for that they charge extra - a lot extra.
I have absolutely no problem with contracting, I have done it myself, but to put yourself in a position of "pay me lots and treat me like shit" and _then_ go on to complain you're being treated like shit is a bit chutzpah.
As regards "loyalty", in my 18+ years in IT and 8+ years in Finance IT, I have yet to see a contractor show a sliver of "loyalty", I have never ever ever ever seen a case where a contractor will refuse employment with someone else when offered more money, due to project commitments or such. In most cases a contractor will return to his current employer and demand a rate rise to prevent him leaving, I certainly had no compulsions of silly concepts like loyalty when I did contract work.
And you just so utterly totally wrong about "uncertainty", in fact in today's finance industry climate, many contractors are taking up permanent positions simply because the chances of continued employment as a contractor are a lot lower than they were around five years ago. A vast majority of contract people are not stupid and if contracting means they are likely to be out of a job more often than in one, they don't take that option.
I personally chose to take permanent employment because some time back I envisaged that the "good times" wouldn't last forever, I not only wanted employment security but also rewards for loyalty, and with several company "share schemes" launched a recently I'm benefitting from that.
Believe me, my industry is changing things for permanent staff, for example; a move to _cut_ working hours is already underway, what a laugh to be paid the same amount for doing less work ! Bet you won't see contractor liabilities fall though, most have to do more than 60 hours/week before they can claim "overtime".
In my industry, contractors have and will always be considered "surplus to requirements", when Mr Hachett comes to the office he's after contractor heads to roll out the door. Certainly if there was ever a case in the same department of a contractor being kept on and a permie getting sacked instead, there'd be a chairman-level enquiry about it.
You still haven't got the idea of contracting, have you ? The whole point of a company offering a contract is so they can cancel it at any time, and then renegotiate if necessary. It _is_ "fucking right" because if that was not the case there'd be far fewer contractors around.
Why should a company forgoe permanent employees and pay a much higher rate ? Answer is so they don't have the tedious problem of sacking them, or with redundancy, pensions, etc, etc, etc. A contract employee is simply taking advantage of the company's desire to have "hassle-free employement", and for that they charge extra - a lot extra.
I have absolutely no problem with contracting, I have done it myself, but to put yourself in a position of "pay me lots and treat me like shit" and _then_ go on to complain you're being treated like shit is a bit chutzpah.
As regards "loyalty", in my 18+ years in IT and 8+ years in Finance IT, I have yet to see a contractor show a sliver of "loyalty", I have never ever ever ever seen a case where a contractor will refuse employment with someone else when offered more money, due to project commitments or such. In most cases a contractor will return to his current employer and demand a rate rise to prevent him leaving, I certainly had no compulsions of silly concepts like loyalty when I did contract work.
And you just so utterly totally wrong about "uncertainty", in fact in today's finance industry climate, many contractors are taking up permanent positions simply because the chances of continued employment as a contractor are a lot lower than they were around five years ago. A vast majority of contract people are not stupid and if contracting means they are likely to be out of a job more often than in one, they don't take that option.
I personally chose to take permanent employment because some time back I envisaged that the "good times" wouldn't last forever, I not only wanted employment security but also rewards for loyalty, and with several company "share schemes" launched a recently I'm benefitting from that.
Believe me, my industry is changing things for permanent staff, for example; a move to _cut_ working hours is already underway, what a laugh to be paid the same amount for doing less work ! Bet you won't see contractor liabilities fall though, most have to do more than 60 hours/week before they can claim "overtime".
In my industry, contractors have and will always be considered "surplus to requirements", when Mr Hachett comes to the office he's after contractor heads to roll out the door. Certainly if there was ever a case in the same department of a contractor being kept on and a permie getting sacked instead, there'd be a chairman-level enquiry about it.
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I personally have always honoured my contracts (which is probably why I've always been able to find work - built up a reputation as being solid and dependable).
I think if a company takes you on for 6 months at 30 quid an hour it should honour that contract.
If, at the end of those 6 months, it won't renew you for more than 24 quid an hour then fine.
But cancelling a contract then immediately offering the same contract at a lower rate to the same person is taking the piss and way out of order.
I think that even though I'm pretty happy to be a fucking teaboy if my client wanted me to (what the hell - I get paid for it) I still think there's lines that shouldn't be crossed.
Want me to work 75 hour weeks and all my weekends at 30 mins notice? Fine.
Want me to work all over the UK or Europe, not telling me where you want me to be until when you want me there is "right now"? Fine.
Want me to spend ALL the nights "on-call" because your permie staff won't do it? Fine.
Want me to do all that without sick pay, holidays, pension blah blah blah - FINE. I'm happy with that because that's what a contractor is for.
BUT PAY ME THE FUCKING AGREED RATE FOR IT.
Seems fair to me.
Glad I don't (and won't) work for Barclays
I think if a company takes you on for 6 months at 30 quid an hour it should honour that contract.
If, at the end of those 6 months, it won't renew you for more than 24 quid an hour then fine.
But cancelling a contract then immediately offering the same contract at a lower rate to the same person is taking the piss and way out of order.
I think that even though I'm pretty happy to be a fucking teaboy if my client wanted me to (what the hell - I get paid for it) I still think there's lines that shouldn't be crossed.
Want me to work 75 hour weeks and all my weekends at 30 mins notice? Fine.
Want me to work all over the UK or Europe, not telling me where you want me to be until when you want me there is "right now"? Fine.
Want me to spend ALL the nights "on-call" because your permie staff won't do it? Fine.
Want me to do all that without sick pay, holidays, pension blah blah blah - FINE. I'm happy with that because that's what a contractor is for.
BUT PAY ME THE FUCKING AGREED RATE FOR IT.
Seems fair to me.
Glad I don't (and won't) work for Barclays