Its not my fault im fat

Driwen

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nath said:
Which is why I posed the question - if being black was a choice, like being fat is - would that make it ok to dislike it?
Afaik no one in this thread actually said that they disliked fat people. They disliked fat people who complained about being fat. So its more like smokers complaining that they have bad breath or possibly someone who chooses to be black (assuming everyone can pick their skincolour atleast once a month) and than complains to be in a minority.
Off course picking your skincolour would be an easier choice than being fat as you dont actually have to work on excercising, nor forcing yourself to eat less/healthier.

However to answer your question, it isnt ok to dislike someone just on their looks that goes for skin, weight or clothes. You can off course find someone ugly based on those though.
 

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I find it quite intresting that you "normal weight" people think an "over weight" person can do something about thier prediciment should they choose to.

as a child of 8 years old i was what some of you would describe as "obese" being 13.5 stone in weight, whoever i took plenty of exercise by swimming 3 times a week and cycling every weekend,i was also put on numerous diets and even given amphetamine "slimming" pils.

non of these worked in my case.

also i stayed at the weight of 13.5 stone untill the age of 32 (by that time looking painfully thin as i am now 6'4") and have only started to gain weight in the last 3 years (currently a "chubby" 14.5 - 15 stone)
 

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tris- said:
i like watching porn where people are tied up and get their pussy tortured.

Surely this is a rare occurance in 'Boyz on Boyz 8''
 

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I don't have an opinion on fat people, one way or the other, same with races. People are a**holes, not races or stereotypes. But, i wouldn't date one just because i don't want a fat person. Wouldn'tmind dating beyonce though, but that might be just 'cause she has a lot of cha-ching :p
 

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nath said:
Which is why I posed the question - if being black was a choice, like being fat is - would that make it ok to dislike it?


Tris, the fact that you equate sadomasochism with "BBW" porn speaks volumes on your opinion of fat people.


These volumes are not good.

i aleady said what i think on fat people. please, dont make type that post again, i thought that was so simple the fucking next door dog knew what the hell i was talking about.
but you totally avoided answering my question.
you point earlier is SOME people will like fat porn but it doesnt make them weird. even if they are a minority.
SOME people like watching women get whipped, are they weird because YOU dont like it?
 

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Nos said:
Surely this is a rare occurance in 'Boyz on Boyz 8''

you dont need to ask you sound like you watched it before, but welldone for being a prick and offtopic.
 

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OblongChicken said:
Good for them. I think people are misrepresenting my opinion. I don't dislike fat people. As this thread was initially about, i have no sympathy for fat people who moan about being fat.


for the third time. how many fatr people do you know who do this? And, where is the thread for discussing irritating twats? where we could talk about people who don't do X or Y but moan about the c onsequences? These things have nothing do to with a persons weight/gender or occupation(etc) they are to do with them being whining dicks. It's absolutely not worth pointing out, and not even your place to do so really.
 

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And i suspect there aren't too many of these people who are fat and moan about it, it's just inventing potential outrage. I fucking hate it when a murderer complains about being sentanced. Fucking blame culture.
 

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IMO it's just a way of making their distain for fat people more acceptable. "no no no, I don't hate fat people, just the ones that bitch and moan, and thus are acceptable for me to dislike"

Tris, can you not see the clear difference between enjoying visions of torture and enjoying visions of overweight people copulating? If you really really can't, there's not a whole lot of point in me trying to make you see it as you're clearly dense.
 

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nath, you do see that i asked you a question right? << thats a question too.
 

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Yes I see you asked a question. No they are not weird because I don't like it.
 

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*nnnnggh*

*uuurgggh*

*STRAIN*

*POP!*

Wow, it worked, I am now not only fat, but I tried really, really hard and (you aren't going to believe this), I'm black too!!!

Now then, who wants some??
 

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nath said:
They're both entirely cosmetic features of a person. Sure, being fat can lead to health problems, but so can being black (sickle cell anaemia). YOU say there's nothing undesirable about being black, your average racist will disagree. It strikes me that the only difference in nature between being fat and being black is that people can lose weight. So does the mere fact that being fat is a lifestyle choice (be it conscious or otherwise) make it ok to class it as disgusting - which, lets cut the shit, that's what you're saying. I’m not saying you should find fat people attractive, but your opinion that everyone does/should think that way – and not doing so is simply self-regulation/political correctness is what I take issue with.

Hi nath. I've been looking forward to resuming this all day. Sadly enough. I'll ignore the groans.

Okay, let's explain how these two issues are not analagous. I think the key difference is that 'fatness' is a scale with an optimal point. Everyone has an ideal that they'd like their body to be at. Broadly speaking, fat=bad and slim=good. That is surely a truism, please don't waste everyone's time trying to deny that. But with skin colour, there is no scale and there is no optimal point. You can't say white=good, black=bad (though racists do, but this isn't about explaining why that particular 'ism' is wrong). You can't even say white=good, black=good because it's nonsensical. Skin colour does not have a qualitative value. What's more, people have a limited control over their fatness. That's irrelevant to skin colour, but relevant to fatness because then you have the situation where, on the fat scale, some parts of the scale are good and some are bad, and people have a limited control over where they are on this scale.

Skin colour has no scale, no qualitative value attached to it and therefore has an entirely different nature when evaluating it.

I'm bored of stating my position again, but i have never used the word 'disgusting'. I would say it's intellectually dishonest to continually claim that i have, but in fact it's just the actions of a twat.

By the way, do you actually contest my assertion that fat people are less attractive than slim people?
 

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I too can't be bothered to continue with this. Skin colour/weight are not entirely the same, but I wasn't claiming they were - I was merely saying that you could compare the two as ways to judge people, hence asking why it's ok to judge fat people but not black people when both are merely things that affect appearance.

Disgust may have been too strong a word to use, but the last line of your reply suggest that you find fat people less attractive and as such it's not a huge leap to assume you find *fatness* unpleasant.

In answer to your last question - I would contest it because for lots of people (well, at least for me) attraction isn't based on a guideline such as "I like slim people" or "I like big tits". Being attracted to a person is not as simple as that.
 

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nath said:
In answer to your last question - I would contest it because for lots of people (well, at least for me) attraction isn't based on a guideline such as "I like slim people" or "I like big tits". Being attracted to a person is not as simple as that.

Oh of course. I'm not talking about specific people's tastes, just the broad trend that slim people are considered more attractive than fat people. Also i think you're mistaken in thinking that i 'judge' fat people in any particular respect.

Anyway, you're just giving up cos yer losing...
 

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OblongChicken said:
Anyway, you're just giving up cos yer losing...

Grr - that winds me up and now I feel I must continue with this discussion to prove you wrong.
 

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The point is that, were we living in an era where being fat equalled being wealthy, and being slim equalled being poor, then:
OblongChicken said:
People can be fat and happy with it, great, i don't care, but do you really think these people would say no if some magical genie said they could turn them into slim and fit people, no strings attached?
yes, they would say no. As far as attractiveness goes it's completely arbitrary, despite links with physical health. The people who find being overweight attractive nowadays would also say no, and "general trends" be damned. (Infact, I'm pretty sure humans are unusual in the sense that "eating too much" results in poor health. I'm pretty sure that many hibernating mammals suffer much less, if at all, from obesity.)

It's that quote that quite clearly says that you believe that all fat people would prefer to be thin, and hence you are then judging even the non-complaining fat people. You are claiming that it's a universal truth, when it really isn't.
 

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Hmm, hmm hmm hmmmmmm.

No i can't resist.

louster said:
It's that quote that quite clearly says that you believe that all fat people would prefer to be thin, and hence you are then judging even the non-complaining fat people. You are claiming that it's a universal truth, when it really isn't.

I didn't actually preclude fat people from wanting to be fat in a different day and age. But in this particular day and age, i think you will find very very few people like that. Which supports my claim that, in general, fatness is unattractive. I didn't say it was universal or absolute. You can always find specific counter-examples, which is why i keep saying 'in general'.

As for beauty, i don't think it's entirely arbitrary, i would reckon there are lots of sociological factors that affect our individual perceptions of it, and i haven't made any qualitative claims about those factors. In case you try to catch me there.
 

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I had a mate who started putting weight on. He said he wasn't going to stop until he weighed the same as Buster Douglas. Surely he deserves respect for that.
 
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I misread that as Buster bloodvessel


Lip up fatty, ah lip up fatty, for the reggae,
Lip up fatty, ah lip up fatty, for the reggae,

Listen to the music, shuffle up your feet,
Listen to the music of the fatty beat.

(Chorus)

Moving with the rhythm, sweating with the heat,
Moving with the rhythm of the fatty beat.

(Chorus):
Lip up fatty, ah lip up fatty, for the reggae,
Trumpeet.

(Chorus)

Listen to the music, shuffle up your feet,
Listen to the music of the fatty beat.

(Chorus):
Lip up fatty, ah lip up fatty, for the reggae,
Trumpeet.

(Chorus)

(Chorus)
Lip up fatty, ah lip up fatty, for the reggae,
Don’t call me fat man,
Lip up fatty, ah lip up fatty, for the reggae,
Fat man don’t like you.

etc etc
 

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He was great.

Buster Douglas is the geezer who beat Tyson first.
 

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Winner of the most pointless lyrical interlude goes to....
 

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Let's deal with this, then:
OblongChicken said:
Broadly speaking, fat=bad and slim=good. That is surely a truism, please don't waste everyone's time trying to deny that. But with skin colour, there is no scale and there is no optimal point. You can't say white=good, black=bad (though racists do, but this isn't about explaining why that particular 'ism' is wrong). You can't even say white=good, black=good because it's nonsensical. Skin colour does not have a qualitative value. What's more, people have a limited control over their fatness. That's irrelevant to skin colour, but relevant to fatness because then you have the situation where, on the fat scale, some parts of the scale are good and some are bad, and people have a limited control over where they are on this scale.
Put it this way.
"Fat = Bad, Slim = Good", is only a "truism" when considered biologically (and if you also add in "Very Slim = Dead"). If you consider the merits of relative weight in terms of attractiveness or a person's worth, history proves that it's arbitrary - i.e. not a truism.

"White = Good, Black = Bad" is equally a non-truism if considered in terms of "attractiveness" or "that person's merit", and equally a truism if considered in terms of specific biological traits (such as, as nath mentioned, sickle cell anaemia.)

People also exercise a similarly limited control over their skin colour - as in, tanning. Again, there are trends in history which prove that the attractiveness of a person's skin colour is entirely arbitrary, even within one race. (I believe in classical romance, medieval times and all that, utterly pale skin was considered attractive in women, as it represented wealth - the tanned women being those who had to perform manual labour out in the sun. Nowadays, it is pretty much arbitrary, and obviously falls down to people's tastes.)

There are parallels between these two things, and it's not entirely false to say that, as the accepted belief nowadays is that skin colour makes little difference to a person's worth, it's hypocritical to claim that "fatness" should (despite, and I agree, the fact that it clearly does "in general".) I'm not saying you're claiming this, but you're coming close when you say that "all fat people want to be thin".

Edit: in fact, it's stuff like this which is prompting the replies:
OblongChicken said:
It seems to me that your entire position hinges on the notion that people don't naturally want to be slim and fit. And that's absurd. It goes completely against common sense. It is societal, but that's irrelevant. Being fat isn't attractive, that's a socially accepted fact and i'm inclined to think it's something very fundamental to the human psyche. I can't imagine any scenario where obesity would be socially regarded as beautiful, at least in the sense that, say, Natalie Portman is beautiful.
Simply put, it isn't something fundamental to the human psyche.
 

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I'll try to solve this and then get grilled :p

Agree or disagree(no explaining you typefrenzies :D :

1: Fat people can be fat for a medical reason.

2: In this day and age, the icon of beauty(models etc) is slim and not fat.

3: Fat people and slim people can both be as pleasent or bastard as the other one.

4: You don't have to like fat people personally, but that desn't mean they should vacate planet earth.

5: All people have different taste, be it music, games, food or women/men.


Now you can kill me.
 

OblongChicken

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Yo Louster.

Louster said:
Let's deal with this, then:
Put it this way.
"Fat = Bad, Slim = Good", is only a "truism" when considered biologically (and if you also add in "Very Slim = Dead"). If you consider the merits of relative weight in terms of attractiveness or a person's worth, history proves that it's arbitrary - i.e. not a truism.

It's a truism in today's society, though not a cast-iron one. I suppose you can contest my use of the word if you want to use the term as being exceptionless, but it's semantics. As i have already explained, i'm not talking in universal terms here. And the phrase 'a person's worth', where did that come from?

"White = Good, Black = Bad" is equally a non-truism if considered in terms of "attractiveness" or "that person's merit", and equally a truism if considered in terms of specific biological traits (such as, as nath mentioned, sickle cell anaemia.)

"White = Good, Black = Bad" certainly isn't a truism. It does depend on what terms one is working with when using terms like 'good' or 'bad', but that just exemplifies my point that fatness and skin colour are not analagous issues because we use the terms differently.

People also exercise a similarly limited control over their skin colour - as in, tanning. Again, there are trends in history which prove that the attractiveness of a person's skin colour is entirely arbitrary, even within one race. (I believe in classical romance, medieval times and all that, utterly pale skin was considered attractive in women, as it represented wealth - the tanned women being those who had to perform manual labour out in the sun. Nowadays, it is pretty much arbitrary, and obviously falls down to people's tastes.)

I shall state again, attractiveness with regards to skin colour is entirely different to attractiveness with regards to body fat. As it happens, i prefer tanned girls to pale ones, but this is an arbitrary personal taste and is only a slight preference. There is nothing to be read into it.

There are parallels between these two things, and it's not entirely false to say that, as the accepted belief nowadays is that skin colour makes little difference to a person's worth, it's hypocritical to claim that "fatness" should (despite, and I agree, the fact that it clearly does "in general".) I'm not saying you're claiming this, but you're coming close when you say that "all fat people want to be thin".

Okay, let me see if i understand your point. You're claiming that the attractiveness of fatness is relative to societal factors, and it just happens to be that these days fatness is bad. And this is parallel with the attractiveness of skin colour, which is also relative to societal factors, and the two ARE analagous. Both factors depend on arbitrary variables and that's how they derive their qualitative values. Please correct me if i've misunderstood.

Hmm. First off, let's jettison the term 'personal worth' as that's never been an issue. The thing is, this discussion hasn't been about how attractive we find particular skin colours. You're shifting the goalposts. It's been about the apples and oranges of assigning a qualitative value to the attractiveness of fatness and not assigning a qualitative value to skin colour (not NOTE the attractiveness of skin colour, just what the colour is) because skin colour doesn't have a qualitative value in the same manner that fatness has (pardon the bollocks phrasing of that sentence). What nath was arguing was that if it's okay to say that fat people are unattractive (in broad terms) then it's okay to say that black people are bad, or something. Not that black people are unattractive, which seems to be the angle you're taking. I think you're blurring a lot of distinct lines in your argument. I'm not going to contest your point, because it's not at issue here.

Edit: in fact, it's stuff like this which is prompting the replies:
Simply put, it isn't something fundamental to the human psyche.

Okay, i am willing to retract that it's something fundamental to the psyche. But ask yourself honestly: how many fat people would choose to remain fat if they were offered an athletic, fit body? I would think the answer would be very few. I'm not going to claim that this is for any objective reason, but i think it's the simple fact of the matter. Fat people can be happy with their size, but i would argue that this is a 'make do' happiness, or a happiness due to the fact that attractivenss isn't an issue for them (if they're old and married, say).
 
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i cant be arsed to read that, far too many lines, cant you just say it in 3 lines with 1 cyllable in each line.


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