Is Alb gimped and Hib overpowered?(some facts)

[Jiggs]

oh ffs

i play a mana mentalist atm who stuns just fine, my comment is first hand experience, yours was misleading: i HEAR alot of Firewizards........

i played a body and mind sorcerer and could tell no difference between the basline mezz and root on each one.

Mythic ADMITTED they didnt realise Friars used staves when they made staves dex (for casters so they could do damage). why do you think they put a enhance dex buff in Friar's spec line next patch??? maybe they just wanted to give Friars more dex?? no because they realise they made a cock up and they use a 'band-aid' fix.

my mistake about the Ignore pain lol I meant First Aid oops, still its abitch that my little ment is forced to spec mentalism so he can QC a heal on himself (i think FA 2 would be a nice thing for mentalists)

this game is sooo far from balanced, its funny but i think thats the point with the three realms thing and all just some things are stupid: like hibs having best heavy tanks and mid warriors/thanes being yucky.

taking issue with your comments is obviously not allowed lol.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Jiggs
my mistake about the Ignore pain lol I meant First Aid oops, still its abitch that my little ment is forced to spec mentalism so he can QC a heal on himself (i think FA 2 would be a nice thing for mentalists)

Well you could use baseline heals. Baseline abilities are great aren't they. (and before you start spouting off, I know baseline heals without spec suck).

Originally posted by Jiggs
Mythic ADMITTED they didnt realise Friars used staves when they made staves dex (for casters so they could do damage). why do you think they put a enhance dex buff in Friar's spec line next patch??? maybe they just wanted to give Friars more dex?? no because they realise they made a cock up and they use a 'band-aid' fix

They did? Where?
Also frair's dex buff is baseline in the current patch and stays baseline in future patches so I have no idea where you got the idea they put it in the specline from. Friars get (or have now?) a spec self 10 minute dex/qui buff in their enhancement spec. Maybe you meant that? That's hardly just because they use staves as dex/qui also boost their evade and parry.

 

[dazam]

Gah u albs Just Cant take us kickin ur ass it has nothin 2 do with class's its Teamwork an Frankly Albs just dont have ne l8ly

 

[belth]

Ok, leave your casters, etc home and RvR only with heros or blademasters. See how well you'll function with just tanks. What? You wont?? You just said "it has nothin 2 do with class's"

 

[Noche]

As hibs never whine about Alpha

 

[kinadold]

All experienced players in this game knows how to kill.
Its mezz/root then stun then whack whack.
Now dont tell me castabel stun combined with nukes aint good.

Maybe stun will be somewhat nerfed in 1.53 against heavy tanks, but a 5 sec stun is enough to get away from the charging tank,
or maybe nuke if his hurt allready.

The reason hib mages complain is because before they did
not have to think. 9 sec was more than enough to nuke this
tank. Now they have to play their char, maybe move around
a little to get in a better position.

Maybe tanks will kill me more often, but if a tank gets close to
an archer, that archer made a big mistake. I might slam and run,
hunters/ rangers might fire speed buff, but to stand there is pure
stupidity.

To stand in close combat against a tank, as a nontank, only hib mages have the power to do.

Lets also hope that more people will enjoy playing their tanks,
because these days its assasins, nukers everyone is making,
and its making the game borring as hell.

I have seen mages complain about their stun being resisted 3
times in 1 day. While they forget to tell about the 100's they
have stunned and nuked, plz go play offline cheatabel games.

 

[Jiggs]

Originally posted by Dannyn
They did? Where?

From the 1.51 patch notes:

- Added a self Dex/Quickness buff to the Friar's Enhancement spec to better reflect that they primarily use Staves, which are dexterity based.

please piss off and stop quoting me now. I can't believe i just wasted 5 mins of my life browsing the patch notes on the herald to find that.

/edit dang spelling

 

[Danya]

I don't see that as saying they forgot that friars used staves. Just that they decided Friars needed a bit more self-buffing power.

Also for the record I do think the hib classes are overpowered compaired to mid/hib, but baseline stun isn't an "I win" button. Most hib casters would be lucky to nuke my minstrel dead in stun time let alone a heavy tank, then add in IP and FA...

 

[kinadold]

A normal nuke on a balanced char tank/minstrel would
probaly do 400 a nuke. A nuker can cast 4 nukes in 9 sec.
hmmm ....

What most forget is that, you cannot sacrifice all your other
resists as a tank just to be barely able to survive 1 class.
Tanks gets hit by everyone.

 

[[RG]Thorey]

hib caster do me in 1 or 2 pbaoe thats crazy!

 

[Cuthervaen]

Leave your casters home, answer to Belth

Well Belth didn't want to brag about that but you put it up.

Yesterday evening, people that were here will recognise themselves, our group wiped some alb group at the standing stones between crauchon valley and lake. Had one casualty, then very shortly after a FC group including quicksilver (who was i think ressick though) added and we won that fight too with a bit more casualty (3 or 4, most people were badly oom).

Thing is we had NO CASTER in group. 2 great druids that's a fact, a ranger, a shade, a great bard too, and the usual meatshields.

SO where are the uber casters here which seem to make all of hib power here? Not meaning to brag on the other hand been most of the day out performing real poorly with caster heavy groups. So I fail to see how directly our performance is related to having uber hib casters in group. Just you need a balanced group and luck as for people to be in good "mood" and attentive, not afk at that particular time etc (one phone call or girlfriend spamming u irl can mess you bad )

Thing is and I agree with that, alb groups need a sorc to fare well, and there are not enough sorcs. But hib group without a bard can't kill much either, and mid group without healer tend to get much easier too, don't all 3 realms have the same problems here? (we had a bit of bardless rvr that day too, only managed to score decent kills when meeting healerless mids so we were sort of par, let's say with more healing power on our side so advantaged, any group with at least one decent CC class would own us badly as anyone would expect).

I don't think there are classes owning all other out there. during beta was a lot of crappy talk by people wanting to do full druid groups or such ideas for instance. I actually see no class where a full group made of 8 peopel of such a class would be better than a balanced fg, so I fail to spot any "uber class".

Some class were indeed underpowered as being so rarely ever played was a sure sign, but things have rather gone into better situation with the recent patches imho.

 

[Qte Eth]

Well you could use baseline heals. Baseline abilities are great aren't they. (and before you start spouting off, I know baseline heals without spec suck).
about ment and fa:
http://users.wpi.edu/~jayrod/Mentalist_Report_10-03-02.html

What most forget is that, you cannot sacrifice all your other
resists as a tank just to be barely able to survive 1 class.
Tanks gets hit by everyone.

well its tanks decision if he want to die to mages or to max other melee resists -so dont blame us for doing big damage -there are examples of 40+ and even 50 resists playing on alb side and then dont whine coz it will be too fun to hear that.And as i can hear hib mages is only thing u are so afraid of?why not max resists then instead of whining we do damage while u are stunned?

and yes stun is level based but tzee must be really lucky if hes stun was never resisted maybe i shouldnt spec light to get no resist of stun-my stun is resisted and thats not too uncommon but fo course 50% of time isnt true..

 

[old.Gobarnachta]

whine on

You calling hibbie caster stun so uber when most cases it will get purged now and in next patch it won't last much more than half what it does now with determination spec for tanks and in addition tanks can get IP which would be damn helpful for casters aswell but oh no we don't get it and more to come... in next patch tanks will even get lowered cost for Purge so now every damn tank will have it. Then again, who really cares when zerg is only option to survive for most of us nowdays

-G

ps. PBaoe coming soon room near you

pps. if u whine about PBaoe I'll hunt u down with my staff next time. Yes u are marked man you silly little...

ppps. zip it!

 

[K0nah]

So... lets summarise this thread into a few quick pointers shall we:

1. Unlimited, untimed 9 second stun on a nuker (or 3 classes of nuker) for free is simply wrong. Anyone can see that. Oh except the ppl who play them and the realm that has them. Strange that..

2. Group Purge is plain wrong. Unless u give it to a similar class in every realm. More mezz/stun nerfs? Yes please. But lets keep it in balance shall we?

3. Ranged Aoe Insta stuns/mezzes are wrong. Actually wrong is a bit tame, insane is a better description. But if u insist on having them in the game give them to ALL realms AND on similarly popular classes.

Go Mythic!

 

[Qte Eth]

well u are missing 4th point wich cant go unseen after reading this tread
4.Albion is whine realm

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Without baseline stun, I'd say hib would lose spectacularly every day in a lot of battles, small or large.

You are not factoring in heat resists, determination, self purge, or anything like this - nor are you counting the fact that in this patch stun costs a load of mana to use.

Group purge is nice, yes, but how many druids actually really rvr?
They get to 50 and get bored of healing all day, of course some don't, but a lot do.

The druid is a pure support class, like the Healer, and group purge fits perfectly with the intent of the class.

Group purge is too powerful you say, well, mentalist severing the tether RA is complete shit to be honest, for its cost.

Don't just look at one spell and not look at it's context, look at the circumstances surrounding it, as you do for your own realm.

 

[old.Akirai]

hell give bards stealth

and I beleve theurgs can spec in wind to get a stun...


FFS give rangers slam, give hunters back their friggen shields and make hunter spear 1h again..... give the other asassins 2.5 spec points... give the other realms 4 caster classes..... give the other realms the best fighter race (highlander)

Ummm ROFL in that case....

Give minstrel buffs, heals, ress, insta mezz
Give theurgists this stun youve imagined
Give scouts dual wield, self buffs, and a speed getaway
Give infiltrators insta DD (although infis are better)
Give albion 3 good casters instead of 4 crap ones
Give our so great fighter race a 50% insta moose heal (btw highlander and norseman are the same)

Your post was so laughable mate....think before you speak next time.

 

[old.Akirai]

Most hib casters would be lucky to nuke my minstrel dead in stun time let alone a heavy tank, then add in IP and FA...

Bollox danyan sorry but bollox!
My scout has roughly the same hp as a minstrel (1100 unbuffed?), and i go down in 2 or 3 nukes after being stunned (400-600 a nuke). IP and FA u say? Try using them while stunned
** you are paralyzed and cant do that right now**
or some crap like that lol.

 

[old.Pepsay]

Determination? Purge?

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Without baseline stun, I'd say hib would lose spectacularly every day in a lot of battles, small or large.

A bit like Alb does u mean?

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
You are not factoring in heat resists, determination, self purge, or anything like this - nor are you counting the fact that in this patch stun costs a load of mana to use.

Not all classes get Determination, in fact the majority dont, so sorry that excuse doesn't stand. But nice try. Yeh Purge helps, it costs 10 RA points which Hibs dont have to spend cos they dont face the same threat (except from mid healers) oh and it only works once every 30mins. Your overpowered but u want us to spend a crap load of RA points to correct it when we're saying Mythic should be correcting it?

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Group purge is nice, yes, but how many druids actually really rvr? They get to 50 and get bored of healing all day, of course some don't, but a lot do. The druid is a pure support class, like the Healer, and group purge fits perfectly with the intent of the class. Group purge is too powerful you say, well, mentalist severing the tether RA is complete shit to be honest, for its cost.

You only need 1 Druid per grp. And hey who isn't gonna have one in the grp with an "uber" RA like that? So because hes a non-violent class that means your realm gets to be mezz proof? Okay..
Yes and my class "Special" RA is shite too, your point? Its no excuse for Group Purge. Nothing is.

 

[Insurrextion]

u guys talk about cheap determination as if everyone has it ... only armsmen and warriors get determination afaik and Qte i doubt any of them will spec it to lvl 5 cause it would be a waste of points imo (10 points for last lvl when first 4 cost 12) ... what about the other 19 Alb/Mid classes that don't get determination as an RA?
purge? why should 19 classes have to spend 10 RA points on a realm ability to counter 3 classes overpowered baseline stun every 30 minutes?

slam? tanks need to SPECIALIZE in shield for slam, and it costs over 900 spec points while Hib casters get stun BASELINE for free ... also slam costs a lot of endurance (end = tank's power), has no +bonus to hit and i know it misses a lot on assasins (misses = resist of the castable stun)

Originally posted by Qte Eth
if u bother urself reading vnboards u can find out many hib casters want stun->root change in latest patch coz while stun is supposed to be our defence from tanks it isnt helping much especially with det 5 , not all but decent part of mages.

good cause i'd like to see it implemented asap

Originally posted by Quasimoto
1) if u chaincast stun ur oom after a few casts
2) yes it does get resitsed ALOT more if u dont spec ligh
3) u stupid **** the "I WIN button" IS IGNORE PAIN and its frikken overpowered

1) that's bullshit .. the power cost of the 9 second stun is 30 power & the cost of the 8 second stun is 23 power ... most of your nukes cost about 30-35 power
2) that's also bullshit cause resists are based on difference in lvls of the 2 chars and resists, and not spec
3) YOU stupid the 'i win' button is AE insta mez, or haven't u done enough RvR to understand that yet?

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Group purge is too powerful you say, well, mentalist severing the tether RA is complete shit to be honest, for its cost.

i said before i don't feel group purge is overpowered ... Albion has some nifty RAs itself in SoS, faith healing and bunker of faith (when it gets fixed i think its bugged now) ... the developers at Mythic just need to get a clue and fix all the broken and retarded RAs they gave so many other classes

 

[hotrat]

Akirai
Don't forget Danyan plays prywden, where hibs dont have all 3 power relics.

I die in 3 nukes atm, would be 4 without power relics, maybe enuf time to hit IP after stun wears out ... maybe

 

[old.Nol]

You only need 1 Druid per grp. And hey who isn't gonna have one in the grp with an "uber" RA like that? So because hes a non-violent class that means your realm gets to be mezz proof? Okay..
Yes and my class "Special" RA is shite too, your point? Its no excuse for Group Purge. Nothing is.

Druids are a rarity in RvR groups, I hardly ever get to play with a druid in group and believe it or not, some druids won't buy Group Purge.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Akirai
Bollox danyan sorry but bollox!
My scout has roughly the same hp as a minstrel (1100 unbuffed?), and i go down in 2 or 3 nukes after being stunned (400-600 a nuke). IP and FA u say? Try using them while stunned
** you are paralyzed and cant do that right now**
or some crap like that lol.

1300 unbuffed, 32% unbuffed cold resist, 300-350 damage per nuke off a light eld. I have been killed in stun time, but the caster got a lucky crit in. Also try getting buffs, they help. I'm usually well over 1600 with buffs and have had 48% cold / 56% heat resist too.

that's bullshit .. the power cost of the 9 second stun is 30 power & the cost of the 8 second stun is 23 power ... most of your nukes cost about 30-35 power
Actually that's next patch. The current 9 sec stun is (I believe) 49 power.

 

[Jiggs]

Originally posted by Danyan
I don't see that as saying they forgot that friars used staves. Just that they decided Friars needed a bit more self-buffing power.

bow down and weep i got you you mother

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/321.php

Q: Which stats affect offensive attacks?

A: Celtic spears use str, all other spears and thrust/pierce weapons use str/dex equally, crossbows use str/dex equally, all other bows use plain dex, swords and hammers use plain str. Staff weapons use str according to my notes, but my friends at The Drunken Friar say (and quite convincingly too) that dex is the modifier for friar staffs. We’re investigating that here at Mythic; I hope to have some followup comments next Friday.

 

[gwari]

QTE:

"well its tanks decision if he want to die to mages or to max other melee resists -so dont blame us for doing big damage -there are examples of 40+ and even 50 resists playing on alb side and then dont whine coz it will be too fun to hear that.And as i can hear hib mages is only thing u are so afraid of?why not max resists then instead of whining we do damage while u are stunned?"

so funny hibs like this nuke 100s of people to death everyday after using their overpowered stun and then call us whiners, i wonder how hard you would scream if they took the stun away and you had to make kills like a wizard for instance has to do.

For your information, we are not all tanks in albion, im a friar with 48% heat and cold resist and 1450 health and still i get stunned and nuked to death mostly before i can even make a run for it or charge the caster. Being untouchable and unreachable for most classes, yeah that sounds about balanced 0.o

Stick, lvl 50 friar.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by gwari
QTE:


so funny hibs like this nuke 100s of people to death everyday after using their overpowered stun and then call us whiners, i wonder how hard you would scream if they took the stun away and you had to make kills like a wizard for instance has to do.



Stick, lvl 50 friar.

I for one would whine a lot because wizards hit harder than me. I need my stun to compete.

 

[old.Nol]

hmmm, I see less moaning about teh mezzzz since Albion started pitching bucket loads of sorcerers into emain, could it be that all those people saying roll sorcerer's were right?

 

[old.Wildfire]

no we just did the sensible thing and let the post die

kthx

 

[old.Nol]

oooooooo the paradox of the last post...it's a quandry