Is Alb gimped and Hib overpowered?(some facts)

[Insurrextion]

since - quote from Qte "And noone ever says this but hibs casters -belive qc stun wont make u kill tank on u" would u Hib casters change your stun for a single target baseline root? it's what ALL other casters get for their 'defence' (if u could call it that), but somehow the retarded ppl at Mythic decide to give Hib casters a baseline 9 sec stun instead

the idea of a baseline 9 sec stun on a caster class who can nuke for 300 dmg every 2 seconds is quite overpowered and retarded ... why can't Hibs see that? why should other realms have more difficulty killing targets - eg they need to wait/coordinate with healers/clerics/minstrels to get a stun then nuke?

 

[Novamir]

hibs have 1/2 casters per group, albs have 1/2 clerics per group, no?

so, bearing in mind that you have 500 range less, after your sorc mezzes, maybe one cleric might stand in range for stun (!) and cast stun (!) and then your damage dealers attack that target!?!! you could possibly work out some advanced tactics so that one cleric heals, and the other stuns?

or even crazier, have a slammer. i've been in caster-less groups many times when i've had to do the stunning out of mez.

 

[old.Pepsay]

Anyone ever heard of determination? It kinda shortens the duration of the stun so it ain't 9sec anymore... or get purge even

 

[hotrat]

Definately more hib casters than alb clerics, this will be even more so next patch when smite gets nerfed.

Mythic made an error making smite clerics stronger than fire wizards, but instead of nerfing clerics they should have improved wizards (although the new earth line is something I suppose).

I haven't really heard many whines about clerics, and a lot of clerics don't like their char over other chars for rvr BEFORE the nerf (tiarta, gromit... prolly many others).

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by hotrat
Mythic made an error making smite clerics stronger than fire wizards, but instead of nerfing clerics they should have improved wizards (although the new earth line is something I suppose).

Smite clerics weren't just stronger than fire wizards. Smite clerics were stronger than any other caster in the game. Thats why they got nerfed.

This thread sucks. Of course Alb isn't gimped. The stats from camelot seer prove nothing. You gotta remember idiots will always flock to the most populated realm, that is Albion on almost every server. More idiots in RvR means more targets for the realms who are organised. Someone else already pointed out that most Hib classes are poor soloers, but great groups chars. The opposite is true of most Alb classes. Lots of poor players zerging around Emain is a bumper RP crop for organised groups of Hibs and Mids. Read it and weep.

Heres a reason why Albion is gimped...do a /who infiltrator, now do a /who sorceror...theres your problem.

 

[gwal]

heres what I´m thinking:

albion has gotten so used to simply zerging the opponents that communication and strategy isnt as good as in the other realms. both mid and hib have been forced to use both good communication and strategy early on, and now they have it well developed albion is the realm needing to develop it.

I would think that eventually we will grow to being able to use theese well too - maybee not as good as the other realms as we still have the numbers, but good enough to beat them in a fair number of battles. it´s "just" a matter of getting ppl to listen and learn it. will prove a hard task tho. as so many ppl are used to zerging that it may take some time for them to get used to the new order of the day that is needed

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by Novamir
hibs have 1/2 casters per group, albs have 1/2 clerics per group, no?

You answered your own question.

 

[Herbal Remedy]

lets put it this way take away bard and healer armour replace it with cloth take away weapon styles and styles (for bard) take away mid healer instants heals mezzs stuns, take away mid healer stun take 500 hps of both classes and take away mid healers sheild and weapon and then u try how hard it is to mezz in rvr oh wait but then your mezz classes would be gimped and to easy to kill

make your mezz classes just as easy to kill as a sorc and see half of them give up rvr because they alway always die 1st and eating dirt more than 50% of the time is not fun, so your main cc class rerolls as another class....... and u begin to see our problem


while your at it take away stun from every hib nuker and give it to say the warden see how well u co -ordinate it then

also take away heros moose ability and the zerkers zerk

after all this is done im sure you would wine and bitch about rvr but then mebe things would be on an equal with albion

 

[pitspawn]

I expected this thread to degrade to this. I defend everything Wildfire has said so far, although not sure what made him decide to start this thread. I'd rather not waste breath with issues like this, as europian opinions mean sh*t. Its the peeps playing on US servers that are getting listened to.

Facts, real statistics were placed to back up Wildfires' opinion and yet they were completely dismissed?

What has happened again, is that other realms have gone downto character level, EVEN spell level. A single spell vs another spell has nothing to do with realm balance! You have to look at things as a whole. Obviously each realm has their bad characters, and each class has spells that are overpowered/underpowered.

The numbers are already out there for v1.52+ US servers, and as a whole alb is sucking. On this patch the balance isn't too bad. Although IMO alb are underpowered, not crap just not as good as the other realms. If alb sucked that bad i would rerole or find another game, so it cant be that bad.

Couple things about things brought up in this post...

Comparing Stun issue...

Giving long duration stun to a light tank is NOT the same thing as giving long duration stun to a HEAVY damage dealing caster class. Stun shouldnt be given to any casters, it should be given to the support classes (Healers) which encourages teamwork (Which we already have to do because we dont get baseline stun on all of our casters)

Wizards Earth Line...

We wont be getting aoe mezz, earth cant mezz people lol. We will be getting an aoe root similar to theurgists aoe root.

Sorcerer arguement...

Dont blame us for not having enough sorcerers, we dont have enough because theyre a bastard class to level and you dont get much of a reward for getting to 50. My very first char was a sorc (omfg why did i bother lol) and i tell you all my friends outleveled me np. Unless you really research how to spec them perfectly your going to have a gimp of a caster for rvr. Full mind is only giving you one thing to do in rvr; mezz, and you will prolly be dead before you get to do the one thing your good at Just look at sorc numbers across ALL servers, NOT JUST EXCALIBUR. You will find that sorcs have few numbers globally.

Wizard bolt arguement-"along with the uBer bugged pyro wizz bolts that still hit for 1k dmg with full heat resist"

WTF? OMG? I would say i do a damn lot of damage...I have 50+14 fire, MoM2, WP2 and a few other RAs. And at times ive walked around emain with upto 294 int (yes you read that right). And about the absolute max i can hit somebody with NO resist (yellow con caster, no crit flame spear) is 680. Most people in emain are walking about with 30-40% heat resist no Sh*t. So i see values like "You hit for 340 (-300) damage!"

Since when can wizards hit for 1000 damage on yellow con with good heat resist without getting a WHOPPING crit? I very RARELY get to one shot any caster. I need them to have their shields down, crap heat resists, good crit flame spear etc you get the idea.

 

[hotrat]

Smite clerics were stronger than any other caster in the game

Stronger than enchanter? a class that can debuff its own dmg resist and has a awesome pbae (combined with 9 sec stun) and a very overpowered pet that nukes through doors with snare.

 

[kinadold]

CC wins battles, now all noobs/lamers sit down for 5 min
and take a look at the different realms CC, and the strength
of the classes who has it.

Why do you think so many playes healers who can hardly kill
anything by themself ?
Why is bards so popular ?
Why dont hib groups do RvR without a barde ?

As i said before albs have a decent amount of sorcs, but its
harder to play a sorc in CC situations than a healer or barde.

But admitted albs have bad coordination.

 

[Noche]

Cry 4 hib bard be4 1.51 is stupid, period. Well played sorc use quickcast to mez and that own bards everysingle time (again be4 1.51), 400 radius 1.12 min is a v big mez (or lesser mez but more versatility).

Again stun, as usual, albs got insta stun from stealth with 10 sec timer and usable WHILE BEING HIT, use it. As said always, hibs got best casters (due to stun), albs got best rogues (but as Herbal said rogues don´t win battles), and mids got more melees (soon to be feasible ones due to end regen buff on shaman).

An alb grp w/o sorc? It´s as bad as an hib grp w/o bard. If albs don´t wanna find a sorc to grp rvr it´s not our fault. Remeber SMs can pb mez, clerics can pb mez, hibs got no instas.

 

[old.chesnor]

What a load of crap the last 3 posts are (mostly)

If you are going to argue your point, argue it well please.

1/ Sorcerors are hard to level. WTF ! I levelled a sorc (my first ever Alb char btw) to 20 in 2 days. I could solo like a dream with a YELLOW pet. I could get groups easily because of mezz. I took her to 34 and never, ever had a problem grouping at all. Soloing was easy. Speccing is easy, until recently its been cookie cutter mind/body as matter sucked.

2/ Smite clerics were the best casters because they had awesome dmg output, insta heal(s), self buffs, pbaoe mezz, stun, hammer + dmg add. No other caster can approach the uberness of a pre-1.52 full specced smite cleric.

3/ Sorcs are 'harder to play a sorc in CC situations'. Wrong. CC in groups has nothing to do with the mezzer, but the rest of the group. If your group is incapable of protecting 1 char while they cast 1 spell, then your group sucks.

Its so boring reading all this crap from Albs. Smite clerics are nerfed etc..etc.. NO THEYRE NOT. They are still one of the best healer classes in the game, no question. Sorcerors are gimped. AS IF, they are a great class. The problem with Alb is everyone wants to be uber and own and look good in plate and smite for 600 dmg and OMG SMITE ROCKS and MUHAHAH PH33R MY BOLTS and OMG I HIT IT FOR LIEK 500 dmg!!!!11.

You guys have always been shite as working as a team, because you have never had to. Now you do. Live with it....

 

[Novamir]

Originally posted by Herbal Remedy
lets put it this way take away bard and healer armour replace it with cloth take away weapon styles and styles (for bard) take away mid healer instants heals mezzs stuns, take away mid healer stun take 500 hps of both classes and take away mid healers sheild and weapon and then u try how hard it is to mezz in rvr oh wait but then your mezz classes would be gimped and to easy to kill

after all this is done im sure you would wine and bitch about rvr but then mebe things would be on an equal with albion

nah thats crap, you just have few skilled/regular sorc players, which is your own fault. veeshan/sorusi/riwen are egs of decent sorcs who get their mez off and manage to stay alive (in good groups that is, not zerging).

can't believe you're whining about how good bards are at the moment. if halfwit albs would get on the bard before they mez (remember no instant yet) then bard can do nothing. lol at talking about bard styles, only bad bards take out their weapons (or solo ones.)

yes healers are overpowered to shit at the moment, but they will be brought into line when their instant and regular mez gets put on same timers, and pac weakened a bit. course they will still be the best CCer, but they erm, but er, but.... ok i cant think of anything against Healers even post-nerf.

sorcs got nasty DDs, almost best in game? certainly sorusi hurts like a bitch. sorc is a really nice class and the best mage albs have imo (along with air theurg). viable solo, and excellent in groups.

 

[Novamir]

sorc/theurg/cleric/cleric/fire wiz/minstrel/inf/tank (perfect group)

or in fact

sorc/theurg/cleric/minstrel and any other 4 is good (assuming you have skilled players of course)

maybe if i explain to you how you can rvr with your classes, you will stop whining. we can only hope!

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Noche
Cry 4 hib bard be4 1.51 is stupid, period. Well played sorc use quickcast to mez and that own bards everysingle time (again be4 1.51), 400 radius 1.12 min is a v big mez (or lesser mez but more versatility).

Only a mezz-slave has a 400 radii 72 sec mezz - any sorc who wants to be able to solo atleast a bit won't have that... Most common templates are with 99% certainty 34 mind/41 body and 29 mind/45 body. The aforementioned has 350 radii 59 sec mezz and the latter has 300 radii 46 sec mezz.

Did you spec your NS 50 stealth/50 CS, base? Didn't think so.

 

[old.Nol]

same whinge, different day...

Just from looking at your posts, I know that 99% of you actually have no idea what a bard is.

 

[old.Wildfire]

I don't think you understand them either Nol, no-one was saying bards have a "win" button, they were saying that eldritches, enchanters, mentalists, and druids get "win" buttons.

Give sorcerers chain armour why dont ya... their survivability rates only slightly higher than wizards (i.e. slightly above nil), because they have mezz. Other than that, they're 700-1000hp's of unprotected weapon-fodder.

 

[old.Nol]

I was replying to the bard whines in this post and please show me the bard wearing scale? There is a belief that a bard runs around in scale with 1500hp, 100 attack styles, all the while playing endurance, mana and speed song, with mezzes shooting from it's eyes.

To have any usefull styles, bards need to drop Music, Regrowth or Nurture and spend in blades/blunts. (That is 4 spec lines)

Bards wear reinforced leather, not scale.

There is a lot of other interesting info I can put down, but I am not going to because I can't be asked. Suffice to say, I look forward to watching all the people charge into their UBER bards on the PvP server and suddenly realise that they completely misjudged what a bard is i.e. get used to spending more then 50% of your time dead, because you WILL be a SHINING, BANJO CARRYRING TARGET, that every other class is aiming to kill first in EVERY encounter.

 

[gwari]

the remark about the minstrels stun is kinda funny. How can you compare a 6 seconds 700 range stun on a support character to a 1500 range 2,5 secs castable stun.

Oh and i will also mention that a minstrels stun, and the DD's, cost a mega amount of power.

The "Albs suck" remark is simply offensive. I have even red a post deom some guy who thinks the stupid or bad players joined up with albion. Everybody started out this game as a "noob" and learned to play the game.

When you start doing RvR you will eventually learn to use the strenghts of your character and if you specced right will become adept at using these strenghts.

Its kinda funny how most nonalbion people here react. Look at the main mezzers of the realm (and i take the basics):

healer: chain armour, small shield, 2 insta heals, buffs, insta mezz and stun. survivabily absolutely awesome
bard: reinforced leather, buffs, ae mezz and soon to be ae insta mezz also. survivabilty reasonable, excellent next patch
sorceror: cloth paper armour, ae mezz and thats ahem it. at least 300 less health then both other main mezzers. Survivability weak.

And also look at the main stunners of the realm:
healer: instant ae stun and single stun, range no idea but 1000+ i bet ;-)
ALL hib casters: 1500 range 9 sec stun
minstrel: powereating 700 range 6 sec stun
cleric: 1000 range 9 second stun

Im looking at the big picture here.

CC wins the battle, everybody knows that. Now pls explain me in what way albion is even equal to the CC of the other realms? Yes albion is underpowered, yes we should moan about it (altho not here cuz nobody watches this but on the vnboards)

 

[Qte Eth]

Only a mezz-slave has a 400 radii 72 sec mezz - any sorc who wants to be able to solo atleast a bit won't have that...
Sorc want to solo?ehm any healer/bard want to solo?

 

[kinadold]

Well the combination of

Nukers with 9 sec stun, read STUN, not root, and a dam output of
300 pr/sec. Armed with MoC it nearly garantees a win against anyone. They are pretty popular on RvR servers

Heroes with a shitload of hp. Most agrees they are best heavy tanks in the game.

Group purge, read not single purge which all has to pay for. This
nearly gives hibs a second purge for the same 'money'.

Insta ae mezz next patch.

I hardly think alb is better. If anyone think so, you really should
come to alb and see how many stunned targets a hib mage can kill in 5 min. You really should come and feel the power of
group purge. Maybe Novamir you should make a alb tank and try
to beat down a hero with moose and ip. Maybe most hibs would like to face a QC uninterruptabel 1 sec stun, backed up with 600
dam nukes, just for the challenge. Yes people can argue that albs have stun on cleric, but its the wrong class who has it. And yes
minstrels have a short range stun from stealth, but he cant kill
his target in 6 sec after stun.
Well for insta ae mezz and group purge we ....

Well some say mezz will mean less in the future, then it must come down too who has the best tanks and nukers

Btw Qte why dont you try and remove stun from your quickbar
just for a month or so, and then come tell me how well it is
for a nuker without stun. Maybe you like it so much you
come to alb and make a wizard. There is nothing more fun than
trying to nuke a tank whose chasing you. If you dont like tanks
chasing you, its also pretty fun to spend 20 sec to move to safe
nuking range. Maybe you like the challenge of rooting an assasin
who attacks you instead of stunning him.

 

[Qte Eth]

Nukers with 9 sec stun, read STUN, not root, and a dam output of
300 pr/sec. Armed with MoC it nearly garantees a win against anyone. They are pretty popular on RvR servers

300 pr/sec sorry m8 but u are saying bullshit
i do 540 damage wo resists on 50 level target if u remove 32%
(i have 32 heat/cold/ene) u get 368 per nuke with casting time 2,8 seconds if u are possible to divide u get 131 damage per second
that is more than 2 times less than u say AND that is when we have 3 power relics -wo them we do 109 per second so pls dont whine about our damage?
and about moc-i dunno if any caster but mana ench has moc in hibernia and if he has it he paid 14 points for 15 sec benefit in 30 mins -that aint fun tbh

u like edit so will do i: u say about chasing tank?well with det 2 -3-4 my stun doesnt last that 9 secs u say about and if i get chasing tank i usually die coz he uses ip-fa or gets heal and i might spend full battle to run from tank sometimes stun wont help u against tank ,and if he hitted u it might dont help u at all coz u will be interupted for 3-6 seconds more before u can nuke and ur tanks do damage, esp polearmsmen -its very hard to get melee resists in hib .in fact some tanks do more damage than my nukes, have uber hp ,uber armor, stick -fight button, det,ip and dont care about anything -its their problem there are not so many of tanks who know how to play
and i can say qc root can help u with tank much more than stun fyi

 

[Quasimoto]

lol U albs, first of all moose is a *magical skill* from the tank in the *magical* realm... mids gets hp and dont have to spec 2h... albs get plate

Originally posted by hotrat


Stronger than enchanter? a class that can debuff its own dmg resist and has a awesome pbae (combined with 9 sec stun) and a very overpowered pet that nukes through doors with snare.

um, I thught RMs and cabbies could allso debuff their own dmg...
so... and PBAoE all the ther realms has this aswell its does alot of dmg cuz u stand in mele range of ur opponent (and has an IUNSANE dropoff rate).... if someone has purge or mezz or someone standing next to them u cant stun and PBAoE cuz u will die...

and I dunno bout this 9 sec stun ur whining about we traded that for dmg (so we do less dmg then other realms casters)
and next patch u can get heat resists taht will shorten the duration... and if u get determination that will allso shorten the duration, if u have this duration will be 3-4 secs barly enugh to get one extra nuke of beeing that it takes 2secs to cast

oh and just for the record, if Im coming to the PvP server im making a matter SORC....

 

[kinadold]

Well Qte i have a log from today where i was hit after a stun
for 591, 591, 752 = 1934 in around 6 sec.

Without relic bonus thats 1611/6 = 268 pr/sec

Yes you might take resist higher, but most classes cant afford to sacrifice so much equipment for just 1 resist. There is not
written nerf hib mages on my epic armor.

And you do know that high dex and RA's brings casting time way down

Well your target might attack faster with RA's too, ohh no his stunned and dont attack at all

If you still have doubt about how hard mages hit and how strong
that is combined with castabel stun on a 1500 range, well then
try make a alb char and face your own kind. You really think
all albs complain about the stun combined with awesome firepower if it did not excist ? Maybe its just us here on Excalibur
who are strange, and bitch too much ? We might both
take a look on US forums and see what they say

PS : I dont give shit about magical realm or not, fact is moose + ip
makes heroes the best tanks in the game.

PPS : Zergers only have studded, but they do have evade 3, so do the math.

 

[Qte Eth]

yes kinad u are nice guy and dont have resists and die in 3 nukes -not my prob huh?Get better equip or wait for spellcraft if u are too lazy to do it now.that 594 damage is with int buff wich u get rare because of number dr00ds available and its not 2 sec for cast it might be 2.4 or so
and yes sometimes dd crit but sometimes they are resisted and that crit dont increase damage much -i did all calculations for u and can with 100% sure say wo 3 relics our damage output cant be higher than 150 second if u are clever enough to get resists-not to mention sometimes i found some uberbuffed albs with 50 heat resist wich made me 270(-270) damage -really great huh?O_Owill take me 12+ nukes to take some ip arms =)

about magic realm-we get stun coz we are supposed to be magic realm and our mages DO get advantage over yours.And i dont know why hero&champ are so uber in hibernia so whine about that not about casters

 

[kinadold]

Everyone is using epic armor, since its mostly the best.
I might remove it and so might other alb classes, but im sure
you dont wanna remove yours just because of 1 class.

What if you had to replace all your epic to get a bt against my crit, would you like that ?

Well yourethe magical realm, and mids are the fighters
realm. Well what are albion then ? The guys who has to be slaughtered ?
What excatly is it that alb classes gets who justifies this ?
I tell you what it is, population. Albs have allways been
more than hibs and mids, so Mythic has tryied to balance the
servers.

But if you play 1 fg vs 1 fg and not 1 zerg vs 1 zerg it feels
pretty shitty to be alb.

 

[Qte Eth]

i do remove my epic parts for resists u can check it u happen to see me
and fyi u have bracer cloak neck rings to get resist -if u dont get resist its ONLY URS problem not our casters
dont whine about how hard is to get resists pls =) its just too fun to hear - again says why u albs get problems and whine so much most hibs love resists and try to max most useful u just say its hard to do and go to forum to whine about uber damage u get because u are lazy

about realms
hib was supposes to be mage realm
mid was supposed o be melee realm
and alb is whine realm i guess

 

[kinadold]

You simply dont understand the power of castabel stun followed by nukes. Its stange because hibs and mids have whined about
smite clerics for 6 months now.

Qte im just discussing RvR and gamebalances, not whinening.

I might whine about see hidden

Btw i recall mages did whine a bit about archers in the old days,
so they got self bt. Maybe i should ask Mythic for a bt against
stuns or a bt against the first nuke

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
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