introducing parents to legal highs

[Ezteq]

okay all ppl that dont smoke weed i ask u do u drink alcohol? if u do u have no right to put ure self higher then us... alcohol is just as bad for u as weed... also alcohol has the tendancy to make people violent .. when was the last time u heard of a stoner beat the fuck out of sum 1 when stoned...

right just let me get one thing straight, im not passing judgement here, what people do is totally up to them and i got no problems with it so long as it doesnt hurt anyone else,

i like a drink now and then and we all know alcahol is a corrosive substance to ones health if taken in vast quantites all the time, so im not saying im pure as driven snow, however a bit of knowledge from my personal experience here about dr00gs

my father took, probably still does take a lot of drugs, pot (chemical mixes too) powders etc etc and he has a brain like a tad pole, also he got extreamily violent when he was on drugs and drink, not sure if it was the mixing or just his personality as he was a disagreeagble bugger when sober, so beware not all stoners are cuddley cheech and chongs,

also a girl i worked with a few years ago was given a joint by her bf and it had a severe reaction with her body chemicals, made her paranoid as hell and she had terrible panick attacks at the drop of a hat, the doctor said that some people (all be it a small amount of people) do get affected in this way.

i grew up around a load of old stoners and when they got past 40 they all went to mush, the amount they took totally destroyed them, like alcaholics.

so whatever you do, take care of yourself and dont go to extreams, hope this helps, and tbh tris just come on out with it and say to your folks look what do you think of this, im <age> and dont really want to keep such a silly secret from you. I think youll find theyll respect you a lot more for being open .

really didnt mean to sound like an infomercial but i managed it lol

be happy folks xxxxx

 

[Conchabar]

lol i bet her bf gave her a blunt must of been filled with skunk:d

 

[Wirey]

I drink alcohol now and again... mostly a lot, if they is beer in the house... i drink when i can, my m8s smoke weed every day tho... they even do it in school i've never taken it b4, but... i've got high of the fumes in the air when they was lots of them their, and i did not like the feeling, so weed is not my cup of tea, i'll stick to eating jelly babies and eating chocolate and drinking pepsi or alcohol

 

[tris-]

everyone makes good points, but the thing is you can replace weed with alcohol and you have the same thing

 

[Skaven]

Just out of curiosity does weed help you with studying? My thinking behind is it makes you relaxed so you can absorb more information or something? I dunno.. Ive never tried weed before,let alone do it while im studying lol. any idea's?

 

[Garnet]

Wont make me study any better, weed turns me hyper and stupid, but its a good feeling while it lasts

 

[Mojo]

Just out of curiosity does weed help you with studying? My thinking behind is it makes you relaxed so you can absorb more information or something? I dunno.. Ive never tried weed before,let alone do it while im studying lol. any idea's?

Well yes smoking weed will help you think, you will find yourself more deeply in thought than you have ever been, it amazing stuff (which is why so many people have used it over the centuries)

However.......

What you think about will be totally random and unlikely to involve your course work, after a few joints reading will become tediouse and focusing on the page will just seem like a waste of your life, you will end up listening to music and being creative in some way, either practically or in thought

Weed is great IMO, but like with everything else it has a time and a place and certainly requires moderation.

Don't study and do drugs , (unless your studying drugs in which case consider it a practical lesson) after all, those with opinions on things should at least try it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, my take on this.

I don't smoke weed, smoke cigs.

I don't do drugs, drink booze.

I don't want complaints, don't give complaints.

Never hit anyone(ever), never been hit, been drinking from sunrise to sundown at times and go to work the next day to make games with full steam.

I don't know about others, but all this aggressive behaviour, having a hangover of the cecntury, loosing thinking powers, is individual. Somebody's a f*cker and beats people, some can't handle things and puke their brains out.

Now everyone with an anti-smoke/weed/alcohol/drug attitude can first think if they want their bevahiour judged, and then judge others.

I'm done, anybody for a bourbon?

 

[Red HATred]

Just out of curiosity does weed help you with studying? My thinking behind is it makes you relaxed so you can absorb more information or something? I dunno.. Ive never tried weed before,let alone do it while im studying lol. any idea's?

the usage off weed (or other drugs)while studying: DON'T

if you are high, some sences of human body are enhanced....
Another part off the brain becomes more functional and an other part becomes numb. (human brain is a tricky thing)
It also is known that in some cases (depending from individual to individual)the mind will function "better".
There is one backdraft to it all...
All the information absorbed while beeing high...will rapidly become vague and more off a memory then ready-for-use-knowledge. (consious info becomes subconsious info ... and subconsious info needs some triggers to become present info again)

So there is a chance that if you study for an exam or test for the next day , you will pass it..(i said chance, not fact)..but don't think that you will do the same (pass), if you redo the same test one week later. And afterall the purpose off studying is to remember things for a longer time-period then one day... i guess

there is only one way to messure a humans crainial capacities, that is to test it while in perfect shape, that means : beeing sober. All the bullshit about relaxing and chilling while studying are lies, the stress aquired in these periods are only a preparation of REAL life after your studies are finished..; if you can't handle things while studying, how will you react to REAL stress situation..; weehoo, needle in the arm?
So i would strongly advice , if you deceide to get high in some way, to do it in a period where there is nothing else to think about, summer hollidays or something... or post-exams parties..(not stimulating usage here, just giving an oppinion if it REALLY has to happen, so the brain can recuperate a bit)

you see, some drugs are products provided by mother nature...but not everything that mother nature provides is tended to be used for pleasure..

i read something about someone saying that he knows some verry intelligent ppl using soft and hard drugs.. and it doesn't affect their prestations...take it from me , mate, that is utter bullox, they pay a price in some way. The only truth in there is that some "confidence" boosters , like coke , will indeed make a person more confident and therefore make things more stable for that person...
This would only prove that this person has a psychological "problem" (not saying that they are nuts, just saying that this "could be" a compensation for some lacking thing), which could easely be solved by a shrink instead of dope.. it will be cheaper and healthier in the long run. Another facet could be, that these person know how to handle these things "responcably" (imo :no such thing, a fairy tail) , use those in that period where they don't need to function to the max.

one last note, in my personal (not theoretical) oppinion, every form off defence (as in saying it is good , or the user is a friend or something) versus the usage off drugs, can be determined as a "form" off addiction toward that product. You only defend something that you like in a way..;.. (in a psychological way)
Personally i'm in favour off LEgalizing EVERY form off drugs, this with only one purpose, Decriminalization. Docters, shrinks, apothecaries, society could even gain a lot by providing all those. It even could become a, yet unknown, cure for certain human deseases. But human hypocrisy deceides to hold those back. (ask that English athlete who has, parkinson or hodgekins (can't recall atm) who is able to practice his sports after the usage of xtc (not a natural product , but a designer drug)). This does not mean that i approve to all ppl using drugs , if it would be legalized... but it would solve a lot off problems (also create new once).

conclusion: everyone deceides for themselves wether they use or not...
There are always pro's and contra's... If you want to experiment , just make sure you know what you are doing get informed. read about it etc...

 

[Red HATred]

Well, my take on this.

I don't smoke weed, smoke cigs.

I don't do drugs, drink booze.

I don't want complaints, don't give complaints.

?

mt, typo

 

[tris-]

the main thing people dont like is because its illegal.
well i bet you a tenner that everyone who says that is also breaking copyright laws, underage drinking laws etc.
carrying round a joint gets a warning and confiscation.
being caught for copying of DVDs, downloading songs and selling them to mates or on the car boot sale can give 5 months in prison and £2000 fine.
now the people who carry more than a joint around are probably the dealers who do all other kinds of shit. but the people who sell copied stuff are also criminals with probably the same ideas as a dealer, except they just sell different stuff.
now im not trying to defend weed cos i couldnt care less if people like it or not, just trying to make a point

 

[old.Tohtori]

the main thing people dont like is because its illegal.

Funny enough, that's one of the reasons people like it too

 

[Red HATred]

Funny enough, that's one of the reasons people like it too

so true, smoking the first sigaret without mum and dad knowing it...what a rush )

hehe

 

[Red HATred]

note on topic:

you shouldn't introduce the usage to your parents

your parents should have informed you already

If they haven't ..... open a topic at the dinner table about drugs and the world...

Tell then gently... and nice .. that you are CURIOUS


drugs beeing legal or not has nothing to do with it... (just human idiocy/evolution that splitted them up)

 

[eggy]

Personally I've smoked a bit of weed in the past, but I'm not a big fan of it at all. In fact I dislike it. I've taken shrooms, which is fucking brilliant each time. I drink, but not as much as I used to. I do not smoke cigarettes, fucking hate them.

I have to live with most of the above anyway, as my gf is a smoker as are all her friends.

 

[tris-]

red, the thing is they dont talk about stuff like that, theyd rather i see my self first hand. they dont have restrictions like some parents wont let their kids watch 18 rated films, they bought me trainspotting when i was 10 years old. they are laid back, which has made me laid back but i dont know what it takes to tip the edge .
we dont care about shit like other people, if a kid breaks a plate then he will get smacked around and grounded. i broke all kinds of stuff when i was young and all they said was "oh well, its happend. you cant be angry, your cant un-break it, just try not to do it again". now this typed of laid-backness has passed onto me.
lol, last month i sort of crashed the side of the car into a wall. i came back and said "look, ive dented all the car in trying to park it" my mum just said "oh well, shit happens doesnt it".

 

[Mojo]

now the people who carry more than a joint around are probably the dealers who do all other kinds of shit.

Im not a dealer and I carry about half an ounce with me at any one time, and if by "other kinds of shit" you mean work a 40hr week then yes, yes I do

 

[tris-]

dude everyone works a 40hr week dont they? i do anyway :/ by other shit i mean, you know other kinds of shit

 

[Red HATred]

red, the thing is they dont talk about stuff like that, theyd rather i see my self first hand. they dont have restrictions like some parents wont let their kids watch 18 rated films, they bought me trainspotting when i was 10 years old. they are laid back, which has made me laid back but i dont know what it takes to tip the edge .
we dont care about shit like other people, if a kid breaks a plate then he will get smacked around and grounded. i broke all kinds of stuff when i was young and all they said was "oh well, its happend. you cant be angry, your cant un-break it, just try not to do it again". now this typed of laid-backness has passed onto me.
lol, last month i sort of crashed the side of the car into a wall. i came back and said "look, ive dented all the car in trying to park it" my mum just said "oh well, shit happens doesnt it".

so, you shouldn't fear anything then..

just get informed properly See what you want to make out of your life and live it the way you feel fit...just make wise decisions. And if things go wrong... just make sure ur paren't are there to help you out.

remember one thing....
A lot off ppl in your real life care a lot about you.... don't make em lose you

cheers mate, be careful

 

[Mojo]

BTW Legal highs are legal for a reason, they sooooooooooooook

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh yeah, one more advice.

*cough*

Anything you hear from teh Inturnet, from anyone, is usually bad advice



Which....funny enough....contradicts my advice...

Which means i'm right. Which means i'm not right. ARGH! It's a vicious cycle of Star Trek proportions! Prepare the deflector variables of the antimatter synchronisation circuits!!

 

[tris-]

well i have got a lot of good advice here. its the same as that "talk to frank" who i emailed and said the thing as you guys. maybe you should be agony aunts in Bella and Take a break.

 

[Conchabar]

to put it blunty smoke weed or dont smoke weed smoke it moderately or smoke it heavily.. just dont smoke it on ure own thats sadand will lead to addiction alot faster and if u dont want to get addicted dont smoke it everyday

i carry around with my several joints at any given time and enough to make some joints... u never know when ure gonna meet sum friends when i usualy get stoned i halucinate im the only one out of all of my friends that does so u know ;c oh ye and im of the oppion that they havent tested weed effects as much as you ppl seem to think

 

[Boni]

BTW Legal highs are legal for a reason, they sooooooooooooook

Oh no some dont, many legal highs are just things that the govnrnment hasnt seen as dangerous yet, but are very potent, far more potent than grass.

 

[Boni]

anyone use those legal highs such as salvia, eating shrooms etc? i am wanting to explore such things at home (live with my parents) as i cannot very well start smoking green.
for salvia i would need to buy a pipe at least, but im worried my parents would go crazy thinking it was all illegal. is there anyway i can make them see its totally legal, there is nothing wrong with it and just watch me to make sure i dont start doing any crazy shit.

I woudlnt bother with salvia divinorum, its not all that.

I would go and order as many mushrooms as you can (doubly so if your from the UK, mr Blair is making our shrooms illegal this year and we have the best in the world...), but seriously you arent gonna have much of a fun time with your partents watching you, these things are best done with friends in a controlled atomosphere, drugs arent that much fun if you havent got someone similarly minded to share and experience the same dose with you.

I dunno how liberal your parents are, or more importantly how eductated themselves... Most parents are in the 'I know nothing about drugs, its all evil and kills little children without mercy' bag, and your very unlikely to change their oppinion even if what you choose is deemded 'legal'.

 

[Boni]

Im not a dealer and I carry about half an ounce with me at any one time, and if by "other kinds of shit" you mean work a 40hr week then yes, yes I do

Carring half oz around is kinda stupid. Every day theres a chance youll get searched by a friendly policeman, not a large one, but one day it will happen (probably caused by some idiot your with or just circumstance), and they will take a look at your half oz and decided you are a dealer and throw the key away.

 

[haarewin]

to put it blunty smoke weed or dont smoke weed smoke it moderately or smoke it heavily.. just dont smoke it on ure own thats sadand will lead to addiction alot faster and if u dont want to get addicted dont smoke it everyday

weed most often leads to dependancy, not addiction. true addiction to weed is very rare.
but then there are the people that become schizophrenic from smoking too much weed

 

[Mojo]

Oh no some dont, many legal highs are just things that the govnrnment hasnt seen as dangerous yet, but are very potent, far more potent than grass.

Like?

 

[Vindicator]

A good read through here. Seems most people on this board are quite liberal but realistic at the same time, with a grasp of future consequences. I would also be of the open mind stance with smoking weed.

As for people saying that alcohol isnt the same as weed, I would disagree in part here. Alcohol destroys far more lives and effects a hell of alot more people than weed does, not all drugs combined of course but weed at least. Alcohol is very easy to get 'addicted' to as such many AA members could testify. It all comes down to the person really, if their a viloent mean nasty asshole deep when their drunk then thats part of who they are and not something which is created by substance abuse but more brought out in. Unfortunatly it seems there are far too many of said people who just cant control them selfs that tend to ruin it for the rest, on the basis of making something illegal or putting restrictions on. The raising cost of alcohol is not just about filling pockets with cash but about stopping people drinking more etc, pass on effects such as smoking and the legality of weed.

Oh on the bubble gum useage bit. Bubble gum is excellent to take after you have eaten food as it produces saliva which helps break down your dinner and protects your gums, has been used for hundreds of years. Another very worthy use of it is the effect of chewing gum meanings it greatly reduces your chance of fainting or going unconcious. Squimish people or doctors / policemen / firemen who might have to work around some nasty scenes do chew gum to help them maintain a proffessional stance as opposed to an unconcious stance ;>. As somebody also stated it is / was used for soldiers to calm them and so they wouldnt pass out in combat xD.

 

[Mojo]

Carring half oz around is kinda stupid. Every day theres a chance youll get searched by a friendly policeman, not a large one, but one day it will happen (probably caused by some idiot your with or just circumstance), and they will take a look at your half oz and decided you are a dealer and throw the key away.

No they won't and no they don't, if you buy a half ounce and then sub devide it you will be considered a dealer, if you buy a lump and keep it the form of a lump and use it from a single lump the police/courts will be more inclined to beleive that its for personal use. You speak like someone who has never been arrested

The dumbest thing you can do with weed if your using for personal use is to sub devide it, if your really worried buy small but NEVER EVER SUB DEVIDE!!