introducing parents to legal highs

[tris-]

i know when im happy ive never been stressed at the same time, have you?! am i abnormal then?

 

[Lothandar]

i know when im happy ive never been stressed at the same time, have you?! am i abnormal then?

Not being stressed is just a prerequisite condition for a happy, confident state.


My example here about soldiers was quite straightforward but I will tell you again. Even if a soldier is calm due to the chewing activity (as it relieves stress), I am sure as pie he is not happy

If someone is not stressed it doesn't mean he is happy. Different things.

 

[Escape]

A long long time ago I tried a 'legal herb' called guarana(iirc). We went to watch the Naked Gun 3 1/3... and I've never laughed so much at a movie. Though we didn't feel 'high' or anything, the film was just damn funny. Watched it again a few years later and couldn't believe how shit it was... followed by regrets of not buying any more of that guarana

I agree with what Lothandar is saying, smoking weed isn't worth it in the long run, and by the time you see the disadvantages it's already too late...

 

[tris-]

oh well, what i was trying to say is you cannot be happy and also stressed at the same time, heh.

 

[Iceforge]

Actually, alcohol is healty regarding our digestive system (wine for example.)

English is not my native language so I can't really explain to you how alcohol is good if you DON'T DRINK WAY TOO MUCH OF IT.

It has its USE.

Yes, drunkies can get violent, but if you drink a glass of wine after dinner each day, it is not at all harmful towards your body. You DO NOT get violent either. Try it, you won't.

I don't know what use weed has apart from "making you feel good" and stuff.

I also don't drink, not because I am a health maniac, I just don't like the taste, but as I said above, alcohol can be healty towards your body. Not (and again) NOT in an unlimited amount.

The same scientists who made the conclusion that wine was goodl for you if you didnt over-do it have withdraw that comment recently (1-2 months ago) as new results showed that it might not be good for you at all, but still not harmfull if not overdone.

Scientists have also proven that weed do not damage the body, IF YOU DONT EXCATERATE THE USE.

Just like Alchohol.

Your argument for weed being bad, was that people who smoke it all the time for several years takes damages, but hey, if somebody got drunk all the time for 2 years, eated nothing but chocolate, or what-so-ever mentioned in this thread, for 2 years, they would harm their bodies.

It is all about controlling the use of the "get-happy" stuff, really.

Like computers as well, playing computer-games make your brain develop some chemical fluid that make you concentrate and crave more gaming, specially in competetive games like CS and DAoC.
If you are an casual gamer this wont harm you, most "elites" wont be harmed either, but the ones who have no job and play 6-8 hours a day might end up in some problems at some point.

 

[Lothandar]

Yeah well, I assure you that red wine is healty if NOT OVERDONE.

To get a bit more general about overdoing things.


If you start on weed, you will want to get weed. You will Need it. It can get addictive, and it is NOT easy to stop it. Well people have to stop when they no longer posess the funds to buy more of it. Definitely not a pretty sight.

You can get addicted to weed more (a LOT MORE) easily than to alcohol or sugar.

Of course, it is his life and I have no right to tell him what to do or not. I just don't think it is right, I know how a joint will "lose its strength" and to get the same result he will have to smoke more at the same time. It is the same for everyone, and it's not a good state when 2 years pass.

 

[Conchabar]

meh ive smoked for a long time now and im still fine

 

[Cyfr]

"but im worried my parents would go crazy thinking it was all illegal"

Thats because it is..

 

[tris-]

i dont think conch is the best example to use, you disregard his post completley. i smoke, but i can go days without smoking. i dont need to smoke, but i like to smoke. same for alcohol.
if you have willpower then you can do anything.

 

[tris-]

"but im worried my parents would go crazy thinking it was all illegal"

Thats because it is..

well done cyfr, next time try to include all the relevant parts. such as i was talking about the legal things being looked at as illegal.

 

[Dillinja]

Do whatever you want tris. After all, it's your body, your brain and your life - not your mum or dad's. You're 18, it's not like they have any real control over you anymore and you are old enough to make adult decisions. If you think that these drugs will enhance your life and won't have any real downsides then sure, why shouldn't you buy them?

Just go about it in an adult manner, tell them straight what you are buying and what you are going to do with it etc. and I'm sure they will be fine with it.

 

[tris-]

ok but what if they are like "ok son, heres a suitcase now get the fuck out" lol, i only get £750 a month and i gotta pay £200 out as it is on bills. i cant afford to live anywhere.

 

[Lothandar]

ok but what if they are like "ok son, heres a suitcase now get the fuck out" lol, i only get £750 a month and i gotta pay £200 out as it is on bills. i cant afford to live anywhere.

Part of the unnecessary game you're playing

 

[Escape]

I don't agree with the whole "I'm an adult now and will do what I want" attitude. Move out, get your own place and then do what you want.

 

[Garnet]

Ive smoked weed every now and again, maybe once every 3 weeks and Im not even addicted to it. Only do it to make myself and my friends laugh at the stupid things I do or say (e.g trying to climb into a washing machine ) Though I never take it through spliffs or joints, only take it through a bong because its hits you faster and I just rather burn my throat once instead of multiple times.

Anyway to the topic maker if you are going to do it then just do it and change that annoying avatar!!!

 

[fl3a]

i mean the type of gum not approved by the dentist assocation so it has no benefit what so ever for teeth.

i thought i read somewhere that chewing a gum, any gum, helped memory activity?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't do drugs, i do girls.

Much more fun.

Ok, don't do girls either 'cause they never fall for the "wanna help me get rid of drugs with sex?" line... wonder why...no good samaritans anymore..

That being said, tris-....

Dear dear tris-...

I don't mind you doing drugs(or lighter version of it).

I don't mind you drinking or smoking.

You could stuff your granny in a pipe and smoke it and i'd still help you raid a keep.

But...

BUT IF THAT F*CKING AVATAR DOESN'T CHANGE I'M GONNA GO MENTAL!!!

huf huf...brain hurts...flashy lols...

 

[Ctuchik]

ok i think the most tactful way i can think of is to come in stinking of weed. if they ask me about it i will just say my mates do it

lying about it will DEFFO not help.. either u tell them straigh up or u shut up and dont tell them at all.. lying about it and then telling them it WAS u that smoked WILL get u a pretty good spanking and probably worse.

theres no easy way of telling about shit like that. either they dont care or they blow off the roof. theres only one way to find out.....

so either u tell them u smoke or u dont tell them. simple really...

 

[Ctuchik]

i thought i read somewhere that chewing a gum, any gum, helped memory activity?

i usually forget that im chewing on one and get a new one in the end

 

[old.Tohtori]

i thought i read somewhere that chewing a gum, any gum, helped memory activity?

i usually forget that im chewing on one and get a new one in the end

So we clearly have it proven that it doesn't help that much

 

[tris-]

lying about it will DEFFO not help.. either u tell them straigh up or u shut up and dont tell them at all.. lying about it and then telling them it WAS u that smoked WILL get u a pretty good spanking and probably worse.

good point tbh. that would be all the trust in me straight down the drain. im trying to "talk to frank" to see what he says, lol.

 

[Eva]

Atlast the avatar changed.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Atlast the avatar changed.

Thank yooooou tris-!!!

 

[tris-]

i had no choice. jupitus kid napped me, dragged me into his house and beat with me various objects till i agreed.

 

[Red HATred]

Beeing a parent myselfe, i know that the day will come when my kid will be confronted with drugs. all sorts of em.(current age of usage is 12 years of age (average))

Then only real thing one parent can do is to inform kids on the subject.

Forbidding a kid to do something will not help, they will eventually do it behind your back.
As a parent , i think it is my obligation to be informed myselfe, so at least we know what we are dealing with.

looking at the different classes of drugs, hard, soft, psycedelics, etc...there is so much info to take into account.
to know what effect those have on the bahaviour of youngsters and on their evolution in normal life, conclusions can be made.

To stimulate a youngster into using a drug (as in not informing (will stimulate curiosity)as in forbidding by punishment ( they can end up worse then when they were experimenting)) is the WORST thing a parent can do. The only thing and the only real word to keep in mind is : Sensibilization. This can be done by talking and the like. If the kid deceides to go experimenting after knowing all dangers and all consequences (society based, health based) it is the best thing to let the kids experiment in a trusted environment (home) , this to prevent the kids ending up worse then before, criminality etc... dealing .. /shivver

The experimental phase is just a part of human evolution...nothing one can do about it... some kids will go for it, others will abstain from it but will be informed. Others will lose themselves in this phase, this can be because of a dozen off reasons, problems at home, school stress, peer - pressure... you name em..


all i can add is that my youngster will know that there is only one thing in REAL life that will make it worth while, and that is the eductaion and position my kid will take into society.
If kids want to have a good future, beeing sober while building this is the utmost important thing.
What kids do in thair spare time also has effect in that facet, so don't think that getting stoned, or high , in the evening won't have it's effects on these studies etc...

So can't youngsters have any fun?
Sure they can;; but they have to set their priorities, either they think forward....or they think about the present.

 

[Conchabar]

this is what i h8 about people everyone judges drugs as a cul-de-sac... this is completely rubish ... yes if u start taking drugs on a regular basis and go over the top ure obviously going to do some mental harm to your self or to your body? but if you dont how is this going to alter your life in anyway? as to say if ure smart smoking weed or doing coke or any other drug aint going to do squat... for that matter alot of very inteligent people i hang around with that smoke weed and do harder drugs then me there going to uni they aced college and people always put them down for doing drugs.. The truth might be hard to understand but the truth is there.. i seem to remember hearing that the princes smoke weed as well infact sum 1 i know smoked a few joints with them

 

[Sharma]

Just do what I did and tell it to them straight, I did, theyre both fine with it.

My mum even told me she went to a cafe in Amsterdam had a spliff and passed out. :O

I do it normally when im out with friends etc, lot less tension around my parents now to say the least since theyre cool with it.

 

[Mojo]

my dad smoked weed him self. i can smoke weed at my mates house buts is a chore getting there and back. it would be easier to do it at home

Well educated parents probably wont have a problem with you smoking weed (depending on your age OFC) if you want to sway their opinion hand them some information, there is plenty out there to read. Smoking weed is not better than not smoking it but there are alot worse things you could be doing.

My mother (a magistrate) advised me to smoke green in a pipe rather than joints ( as she felt reducing my tobacco intake would be a good move) you wont change opinions of the ignorant so dont even try but if they decide to educate themselves there aint no stopping them


It's still unhealthy but no more than many other activities, if your going to have a vice weed is a good choice

 

[Conchabar]

Well educated parents probably wont have a problem with you smoking weed (depending on your age OFC)

My mother (a magistrate) advised me to smoke green in a pipe rather than joints ( as she felt reducing my tobacco intake would be a good move)

LOL funniest stuff ive heard all day

 

[Ballard]

this is what i h8 about people everyone judges drugs as a cul-de-sac... this is completely rubish ... yes if u start taking drugs on a regular basis and go over the top ure obviously going to do some mental harm to your self or to your body? but if you dont how is this going to alter your life in anyway? as to say if ure smart smoking weed or doing coke or any other drug aint going to do squat... for that matter alot of very inteligent people i hang around with that smoke weed and do harder drugs then me there going to uni they aced college and people always put them down for doing drugs.. The truth might be hard to understand but the truth is there.. i seem to remember hearing that the princes smoke weed as well infact sum 1 i know smoked a few joints with them

Alot of what you say does make sense, in that some people are relatively unaffected by drug usage, but most of your arguement is anecdotal evidence at best. To put it in perspective, there are people that aren't hardcore users that do appear to suffer loss of mental prowess ( I know it happened to one of my mates ) but that doesnt mean im gonna argue that using any drugs means you will get dumber. I think ultimately there is a risk of some mental degredation but as long as the individual is okay with that then it should be okay.

Also dont claim that their isnt a health risk of having a few joints. Green has more carcinogenic components that a standard cigarette. But once again if someone wants to go ahead then more power to them. Just dont go around saying its harmless.

William S.burroughs spent the best part of 50 years with more H than in his veins than blood yet still managed to produce more creative and intellectual material than most of his contemporary writers. But he did never said there wasnt a great danger or pain and loss in teh way he lived his life.

Off topic: If you want crazy wacky but at the same time lucid and challenging reading on the whole drug scene and the perils of it. 'Junky' and by the aforementioned author would be a good start ( and everyone should read 'the naked lunch' if you can overlook the necrophilia and buggery).. Whatever ever you do dont go around thinking 'Trainspotting' is 1 a great book, or 2 the be all and end all of literary representation of the lifestyle.