Insta Ae mez

[Veluden]

Hmm the only time I opened with my ae instas was when I was specced 48 pac, and that was only due to the fact they had bigger radius than castables plus they also stacked with them.

Now however best use of instas is to to knock out key enemy players i.e bards and sorcs or anyone coming after you. 150 radius, at the much more common 38 spec, is not stopping any zerg soon.

Well thats how I use mine anyway.

 

[StormriderX]

Why isnt every realm exactly the same in looks and play style???
Damnit I want zerk damage for bms, plate for champs and heros, inf 2.5 spec points for ns, being able to spec slam like scouts, being able to smite with druid just like a cleric. Wouldnt have ae root replace baseline stun either cause thats useless. While we at it give insta ae stun/mezz to druids too cause healers get them ffs. How bout letting all our melee classes use 2h without needing to spec lw - GIV 2h WEAPONS!!!! FS WHINE!!! MAKE EVERY REALM EXACLTY THE SAME MYTHIC FFS!!!

Edit: As for whine about hibby end regen and group purge - you are already getting our end regen fs, leave our gp alone

 

[old.Charonel]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
Hibs dont get PoM, we get mana song exactly the same as Mincers.

wrong, bards get the same powersong as minstrels, and mentalists get the same MR (PoM) as the middies

we need both you see because alb classes are all such overpowered B$^%&£%s

 

[-Wedge-]

<reads first post skips to the end>

You want to fix that problem?

Turn Instant-Mezz into a QC version of the castable version... E.g. half the time and less able to interrupt... Available (just like QC) every 30s, and (just like QC) costing double to power...

Also, remove AE-stun, its the root of all evil (although I dont get hit with it all that much)... Oh and reduce stun range to 1000 instead of 1500 (ALL stuns,hibs,mids,albs)...(oh wait albs is already at 1000 range)

But that would balance the realms a tad... Nah, that would be bad...

Only instant that should be allowed in the game should be single target...

 

[kameh]

Another whinging CC thread - now rare

instant AOE stun - overpowering but if you take that away give healers something else to spec in since unlike bards/sorc they have no offensive spells, not even rubbish ones!

instant AOE mez - Hopefully people will be resisting this and all mez's more in the future, I really really hope so. Again I still think it's overpowering, but you have to give healers/bards something else if you remove this.

Single target insta's I dont have a problem with since I think they give healers/bards some form of defense - see a tank coming at you, mez him until you can get away.

 

[Thorarin]

Ok, get this: the only thing the healer does is heal and CC. It's the most specialized support class in the game, and therefore I think it should have tools that are sometimes superior compared to the average Joe caster.

Also, have you seen the Mez duration on the AE instant? Or the area of effect for it unless you spec 47/48 pacification just to get the better one? The average Mercenary with Detemination 3 will be loose in no time, no longer than the average RvR stun without determination.

Being able to QC a full-fledged AE mez every 30 seconds isn't such a bad thing compared to the instants the 2 other realms have, especially not with Purge and Group Purge around.

 

[Cronn]

Originally posted by stormriderx
Why isnt every realm exactly the same in looks and play style???
Damnit I want zerk damage for bms, plate for champs and heros, inf 2.5 spec points for ns, being able to spec slam like scouts, being able to smite with druid just like a cleric. Wouldnt have ae root replace baseline stun either cause thats useless. While we at it give insta ae stun/mezz to druids too cause healers get them ffs. How bout letting all our melee classes use 2h without needing to spec lw - GIV 2h WEAPONS!!!! FS WHINE!!! MAKE EVERY REALM EXACLTY THE SAME MYTHIC FFS!!!

It's called balance you prick, but you play hib so you wouldn't know what that word means.

Bards didn't need insta mez to start with so they don't need a replacement spell.

Remove insta ae stun and mez from HEALERS (the class is called Healer not Mezzer) I don't give a toss they don't have any offence, they have the best defence possible (chain, buffs, insta heals, single target insta stun and mez) Reduce times of AE stun to be in line with alb and hib single target stun (ie max 9secs)

If any class should have Insta mez it's the sorc, they give up HP and armour for pure casting ability, but insta sucks so just give 1750 range.

Put all stuns in all the realms on 1350 range.

Thats about it.

To all the hibs and mids who come in this topic and moan about albs moaning about CC or 'getting owned', try for just 10 minutes to play group RvR without stun or mez.

Nerf the last LW spec style too.

 

[Molten Lava]

QC versus Insta

QC is run, stop, stand still, hit QC, use spell.....takes average of 3 seconds to land one....almost uniterruptable. Once every 30 seconds

Insta is run, hit mezz, done....takes average of 1 second to do (running)...also almost uninterruptable. Once every ten minutes

If you win you have enough time to recover and it takes about 5 minutes to get into a new fight. If you die it takes at least 10 minutes to get into a new fight.....

Lots of quick fights: QC MIGHT be better. Normal RvR one (big or smaller) fight every 5-10 minutes Insta is ten times better

Ok?

 

[josua]

Solutions

1) Give all realms same abilitys
2) Give all realms same Character Classes
3) Have all Characters look the same
4) ...and then start from 1) again...

 

[fenikske]

Originally posted by kameh
Another whinging CC thread - now rare

instant AOE stun - overpowering but if you take that away give healers something else to spec in since unlike bards/sorc they have no offensive spells, not even rubbish ones!

instant AOE mez - Hopefully people will be resisting this and all mez's more in the future, I really really hope so. Again I still think it's overpowering, but you have to give healers/bards something else if you remove this.

Single target insta's I dont have a problem with since I think they give healers/bards some form of defense - see a tank coming at you, mez him until you can get away.

why the hell do you compare a healer with a sorc or bard?

i have chosen the way of cleric what in my eyes must be more or less the same because as the name says HEALers main jub must be healing, should been healing not mezzing or killing, if ya wanna mezz/stun/nuke take a claster class or if ya wanna go mele take a tank class, ..
If ya feel that healing is dull and boring why the hell did you choose this class then ... oh wait i have a better idea why not just all deleted all classes and make one class in each realm who can nuke like the atom bomb , mezz like medusa, heal like the red cross and mele like a titan .................... (for those that didn't noticed that was sarcasm)

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by Cronn


It's called balance you prick, but you play hib so you wouldn't know what that word means.

Actually I do believe albion got short changed on the matter of insta ae mezz and that they should get it too, your personal insult does little other than show how immature and stupid you are, and the limited vocabulary you possess. Also it isn't my fault that mythic made the game this way, they messed up big time on with things being the way they are but it's not my problem.

Bards didn't need insta mez to start with so they don't need a replacement spell.

Remove insta ae stun and mez from HEALERS (the class is called Healer not Mezzer) I don't give a toss they don't have any offence, they have the best defence possible (chain, buffs, insta heals, single target insta stun and mez) Reduce times of AE stun to be in line with alb and hib single target stun (ie max 9secs)

If any class should have Insta mez it's the sorc, they give up HP and armour for pure casting ability, but insta sucks so just give 1750 range.

So you version of balance is to take away the ability from the other two realms and make it a albion specific ability? Along with your larger population that would be well balanced

Put all stuns in all the realms on 1350 range.

Don't disagree with that

To all the hibs and mids who come in this topic and moan about albs moaning about CC or 'getting owned', try for just 10 minutes to play group RvR without stun or mez.

Didnt realise that clerics couldnt stun, sorcs/minstys couldnt mezz

Nerf the last LW spec style too.

Only if they nerf dragon fang too ^^

You ask for balance yet your opinion is that the only way to achieve that is to nerf other realms AND give your own realm more abilities at the same time. Go look it up in the dictionary and find the meaning of it before you bandy it about ok?.

I have never disagreed with the fact that albion needs insta cc to bring it in line with other realms and if you scroll up and read my first post in this thread you'd notice it.

Edit: btw see the winky above the post you quoted? It was a joke post mk? kthxbye.

 

[Qte Eth]

See i did not even mention the fact that hib has 1000s of bards mid has 100s of healers and alb has 10 sorcs.

this is enuff -no need to comment anything else

 

[kameh]

Originally posted by fenikske


why the hell do you compare a healer with a sorc or bard?

Oh your clever!!

Compared them because they're the primary CC class in each realm This thread is about CROWD CONTROL.

Originally posted by fenikske
i have chosen the way of cleric what in my eyes must be more or less the same because as the name says HEALers main jub must be healing, should been healing not mezzing or killing, if ya wanna mezz/stun/nuke take a claster class or if ya wanna go mele take a tank class, ..

Clerics get stuns, clerics get Direct damage.. hold on thier clerics - legendary HEALERS. The reason that clerics and healers have those abilities is because otherwise they'd be unplayable in RvR.

Originally posted by fenikske
If ya feel that healing is dull and boring why the hell did you choose this class then ... oh wait i have a better idea why not just all deleted all classes and make one class in each realm who can nuke like the atom bomb , mezz like medusa, heal like the red cross and mele like a titan .................... (for those that didn't noticed that was sarcasm)

I dont play any of those classes, I've played them all in the past but since you obviously cant read my Fking signature I'm a HUNTER.

You're such a clever boy LOL!!

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
Hibs dont get PoM, we get mana song exactly the same as Mincers.

ROFL, r6 noob

 

[eyeznp]

^^

What can I say ?

I can understand what Wildfire is talking about... but stop that whine ^^

 

[old.Xanthian]

Aussie, FUCK OFF, your the most annoying little cunt this game has to offer.

PoM = Purity of Meditation, Healer 50 Aug Spec Conc Based

MR = Empowering Perfection, Mentalist 44 Mana Spec, on a 10 or 15 Minute Timer(cant remember). NOT CONC BASED

Then theres the 2 chants

Minstrel = Song of Empowering, 50 Instrument Spec
Bard = Rhyme of Creation, 50 Nurture Spec

So I think you will find my original post was correct, and that Hib MR and Mid PoM is different. Thankyou.

 

[Arthwyr]

) Give all realms same abilitys
2) Give all realms same Character Classes
3) Have all Characters look the same
4) ...and then start from 1) again...

Hmm no instead we give 2 realms a whole list of (IMPORTANT)abilities that can't even be found on the 3rd realm and then call the game balanced.

Endurance regeneration (hib)
POM (mid hib)
AOE stun both insta and castable (mid)
Insta aoe mezz (hib mid)
Tanks that only have to spec one skill line to 50 to get max damage (hibs mids)
etc etc

I could go on but I wont, playing on pvp with both hibs and mid classes in one group it only became more clear that mids to some extent but mainly hibs are seriously overpowered. Best PvE group would mainly be hib based part from a paladin to hold the agro with his heal chant and a mid healer to spam aoe stun while the pbao kills the mobs. BUt a bard, warden (x2) and a chanter (x2) would most certainly be in the group.

 

[Agreac]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
PoM = Purity of Meditation, Healer 50 Aug Spec Conc Based

I believe you meant Pac specced Xant.

 

[noaim]

Well well arent albs funny people.

Look at Wildfire for example. When FC wins a fight somewhere, 2 secs later he is here explaining how good they are, but when they lose one, he is here even faster whining about how overpowered others are.

Look, you win some, you lose some, iow, the game _is_ balanced. Just because you dont win all fights that doesnt mean the game isnt balanced.

And as for chanters being overpowered. Yes, Enchanters is a very good class, but the thing that makes the difference is that Hibernia got lots of people playing their pbae class, middies and albs dont. If we had that amount of SM´s in Midgard, you would whine about our SM´s being overpowered aswell. The only thing that I have to whine about is their pet nuking through walls, I find people who exploit that pretty lame, but it is getting fixed so I wont make a new thread everytime they annoy me, it wont hurry that process anyways.

But feel free to give my runie that 9 sec stun any day

Edit: maybe I posted this in the wrong thread...ahh what the heck I am sure the whiners read this thread aswell.

 

[fishy-fish]

alb has no class that can get instant AoE mezz w out getting the nerf bat the patch after. (period)

Learn to cope use ur fucking stealthing mezzers instead

 

[old.m0000]

ok

firstly, for anyone under the serious mental retardation that makes them think alb has "stealth mezzers" please dont talk bullshit - try playing a minstrel and realise that alb does not have a "stealth mezzer" period.

secondly, to quell the pom/mr/song arguement for power:

Healer Pom/pot/poi etc is PAC spec & is a conc based power regen that EQUALS THAT of bard/minstrel "power" song and that of the timer based mentalist MR spell.
Even here you have an imbalance, alb ONLY HAS SONG - meaning u need a minstrel in the grp playing power song or u dont get power regen. Mid needs no song only a cast-once-and-forget conc based buff. Hibs have both the song from bards AND the MR spell from mentalists (infact a mentalist if specced so can get power regen #5 at lvl 44, the lowest lvl for all realms - minstrels can only get this in a song form, at lvl 50 instrument spec which is a gimp spec).

Third: READ THE FUCKING POST - I said there was gonna be people saying that the game realms are MEANT TO BE DIFFERENT - But like omg ATM its 2 realms will FAR more utility than another - THIS IS NOT BALANCED.

1 fg hibs that can always and with no problem kill 2fg-3fg albs IS NOT BALANCED.

Furthermore, no one has yet given an answer to my question : Or rather no one has given me say, a good set of serious and thought out reason as to why albion should not have insta ae mez when the other realms do.


oh and xanthian lol @ you complaining about cabalist pets hitting u thru doors, check ur own realm who can chainnuke for 350+ at 1500 range thru any obstacle (cant remember if it was this thread or another but lol man u really dont know shit).

 

[punj]

just a thought

i know,how about we drop a daisycutter on albion and then let the mids and hibs fight it out,i'm pretty sure that would fix the game

 

[old.chipper]

server population
hibs 28%
mids 28%
albs 44%

bards rarely use mana song in rvr due to needing the speed same can be said for minstrels im sure

not every mentalist specs the mana line

albion is heavily populated and has a mob mentality not all of you but there will always be that zerg force i dont think albs should be given insta ae mez maybe a class or 2 who can get grp purge

thats my thoughts on it and i would say its a valid argument alb outnumber hib and mid by 1.5 to 1

i also remeber me (when i had my paladin) radium and a sorc sorusi took out 11 hibs by ourselves thxs to his mez.
u may not have the best mez but u give as good as u get

 

[Cronn]

Stop posting the population stats idiots.

Everyone knows alb has the most characters, everyone also knows (or should) that this means nothing.

It's only RvR active characters that really count.

 

[old.Xanthian]

Originally posted by old.m0000

oh and xanthian lol @ you complaining about cabalist pets hitting u thru doors, check ur own realm who can chainnuke for 350+ at 1500 range thru any obstacle (cant remember if it was this thread or another but lol man u really dont know shit).

lol. Twat.

It was sarcasm, light humour, something your in-futile brain may not be able to understand.
The PoM/MR/Mana Song arguement is utter bollocks, you really dont have a vaild arguement.
Other than MR, what use to Mana spec ments have in RVR ?
Not much, AE DoT will break mezz and generally not do much damage, compared to the Cabalist DoT.
the majority of ments in rvr atm are light spec and only have MR3 at most, which although is better than nothing it is still very slow.

If you really wanna start comparing classes, hows this:

Bolt Spec Casters
Void Eldritch = Shit
Fire Wizard = Uber

DoT Spec Caster
Mentalist = so,so
Cabalist = Uber DoT + Pet

Stealthers
NS = Wank, weak as fuck.
Infil = Uber

Pet Classes
Enchanter = Powerfull nuking pet
Theurgist = Chain Stunning, fucking annoying pets

CC Spec Casters
Light Eld = 31 sec mezz
Sorc = 1min 6 sec Mezz

Main Healer
Druid = shite pet, crap root and DoT
Cleric = Insta stun, PB Mezz

Speed Class
Bard = Insta CC, Standard CC, Speed, Mana, End
Minstrel = Speed, Mana, Stealth, Good Melee Damage, Stun, DD's

Think about it, the realms are even, Hibs are more powerfull in ways , Albs are more powerfull in ways and same with Mids.
Moan all you want but theres 6 more patches before any of your thoughts get taken into considoration, so either get used to it, or fuck off to another game cos your boring the hell out of us.

 

[old.chipper]

cronn dumbass opinions where asked for i gave mine so shut up.
if alb has higher population it stands to reason they got more active rvr players come back when u know what u are on about albs aint gonna be happy until we all go " oh yes hibs are overpowered and oh those poor albs who got nothing to fight back with"
LOL wake up it aint gonna happen jesus so glad i left albion cos its full of assholes these days

i played alb for 8 months and only ever got pissed off with stun so stop whinin

 

[splash0r]

Originally posted by fenikske

lol we eat mids for breakfast mate , sorry to disapoint ya if they aren't 7 times more then us ofcoz

lol ive never goten beaten in a 1 full grp vs 1 full grp of albs tbh albs simply dont have that kind of teamplay either the zerg is the only thing ur really good at im sorry but thats the truth .... flame or whatever hibs have really good skill hibs can take out a mid full grp cus they enjoy small grp RVR ...

 

[kameh]

Come on calm down folks, HAPPY NEW YEAR

The game will never be totally balance, but I dont think it's as unbalanced as some people say it is.

*goes to get very drunk*

 

[Cronn]

All hibs and mids are stupid bastards.

There I said it.

 

[kameh]

Originally posted by Cronn
All hibs and mids are stupid bastards.

There I said it.

No you wrote it

Dozy git.

Plus if your realms so fecking gimped (which it obviously isnt) then why the hell did you choose it?

oh sorry does that make you a stupid bastard!!