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yog-hurt

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well ... this thread comes froma large debate this morning in albion CG...
it started when albs were camping mmg in emain, nothing new... anyway, i was in gateway stopping SB's coming through, as one trys to get through i uncover etc etc, anyway at this point im stunned in the gate....i am standing in the gate for at least 30 seconds getting nuked to shit and after gogin through IP and FA i still die, although there are bout 5 healers around me.....i complain about this is CG etc.. and from then on i started having a debate...

this was with cplcarrot and Asyran, they were saying that if i wanted healing i should be in group, and sshould not solo.....they say that im selfish cause i dnt group and cause i dnt group i shouldnt expect a heal from a realm mate...they made the point that i dnt share 'rps'....and i dont help the realm at all soloing....basically the point of this thread is after a long intro.... what are your opinions ona assasin...

to me it means in a fight i go straight to0 the back and take out CC, healers etc....and to Cpl and Asyran this is selfish and rp whoreing.....but imo they can FUCK OFF! killing them means we win ffs, how hard is it to get a grip off, cpl is a 100% group infi from what i know...so he may be biased, but anyway .... please give opinions on infiltrator... is it to group with realm mates.. and be a 'TANK' basically or is it to wait for the right moment to take out that is needed.....

this go's for SB's etc too

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mele-nko

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If u want a heal, some buffs, battlefield information....join a group. If u are soloing u should not expect any of this. A rez should something u always get, soloing or not.

Try forming groups with friends, and play with them. Screw the rest :) This whole, do it for your realm thing isn't something i would consider Especially not if i were to play in Albion...play with the ppl u know and u can count on. That's were friends are for...those 2 healer from your post, well it's their loss
 
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cougar-

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if 5 healers just stands there and isnt occupied healing group ofc they should heal you, afterall its a realmmate trying to keeeeeel the stinky middies.
 
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Jarrax

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You go solo, dont expect heals.
atm i'm 99% ungrouped/unbuffed in emain as a lvl48sb. I never expect heals/resses, if your stupid enough to stand in the mmg choke point and get stunned/nuked to death, thats your fault. I wouldnt expect some grouped healer to blow all his power on keeping someone not in his group alive. And it's not as if you have to ride from ludlow anymore.


Jarrax
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Zill

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If the healer types were not pre-occupied with saving their own group members, then I believe in the circumstances the decent thing to do would have been to help you out.
 
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Cap'n Sissyfoo

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Pfft...thats stupid! If you aren't in a group then you shouldn't expect to get cleric buffs but if you are solo, stunned and getting the crap nuked out of you then you should at least expect some help from your 'Realm Mates'.

Ignoring someone just because they are not in your group is just pathetic. Not everyone likes to group and run around in a pack, especially scouts and infis.

<edit> This is assuming of course that the clerics were not occupied. If they were then their group comes first. Just thought I'd make that clear. If someone runs past me getting an ass kicking, screaming for help when our group is already engaged then I will ignore that person until we are finished with what ever we are doing.
 
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Vasconcelos

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Originally posted by Jarrax
You go solo, dont expect heals.
if your stupid enough to stand in the mmg choke point and get stunned/nuked to death, thats your fault. I wouldnt expect some grouped healer to blow all his power on keeping someone not in his group alive. And it's not as if you have to ride from ludlow anymore.


Jarrax
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He said he was in a large fight in mmg looking for sbs who wanted to pass throu wall. Well, this is helpfull as long as stop the stealthers who wants to kill casters from back after passing mmg, so he was doing a service for the rest of albs instead of camping mtk path looking for solo mids. So if he was being hit n there were clerics avaible, why didnt heal him if u r not occuped healing ur team8s?? In this part i agree with Cougar.
 
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Envenom2

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LOL yog you really have alot to learn about assassin life things you really need to know

1.dont ever expect any sort of heal what so ever you choose to solo so you should immediatly think right im solo if i enter a fight im either gonna win or die why should a healer go out of there way to heal you? u choose to solo so that means no heals no rezes simple.
Fair enuff if a healer is around when u die you should get a rez if not thats being selfish but dont expect a heal it just does'nt happen lol

Do you think everytime i die between AMG and APK i start pmin ppl asking for a rez? no i dont i dont expect them to go out of there way to rez me.

Or maybe its just Albions selfish ways? ive lost count the number of ppl ive killed only for an fg to come along 5mins later and not bothering to rez is that Albion life? cause it sux lol
 
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yog-hurt

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Originally posted by Envenom2
LOL yog you really have alot to learn about assassin life things you really need to know

1.dont ever expect any sort of heal what so ever you choose to solo so you should immediatly think right im solo if i enter a fight im either gonna win or die why should a healer go out of there way to heal you? u choose to solo so that means no heals no rezes simple.
Fair enuff if a healer is around when u die you should get a rez if not thats being selfish but dont expect a heal it just does'nt happen lol

Do you think everytime i die between AMG and APK i start pmin ppl asking for a rez? no i dont i dont expect them to go out of there way to rez me.

Or maybe its just Albions selfish ways? ive lost count the number of ppl ive killed only for an fg to come along 5mins later and not bothering to rez is that Albion life? cause it sux lol
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you gimp....maybe when you grow up you can learn to read....i wasnt mmg-mpk keelnig, i was mmg lf SB's....and he healers were NOT occupied...and envenom...lmfao...you gimp...everytime i meet you solo you die... even when your buffed and im not you die...then when i get killed in a zerg you laugh spam me when yopu get a hit in ! haha gimp
 
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Flimgoblin

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Originally posted by yog-hurt
this was with cplcarrot and Asyran, they were saying that if i wanted healing i should be in group, and sshould not solo.....they say that im selfish cause i dnt group and cause i dnt group i shouldnt expect a heal from a realm mate...they made the point that i dnt share 'rps'....and i dont help the realm at all soloing....basically the point of this thread is after a long intro.... what are your opinions ona assasin...
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The point about RPs/helping the realm is moot - the no healing unless your in a group stems from one thing - out of sight, out of mind.

If you're standing next to the gate, noone is targetting you to see what hp you have, they're looking for the enemy to hit. If you're in a group then you show up nice and bright on that cleric's mini/group pane.

Easy to heal = you'll get healed.

(not to mention that unlike in PvE where healing someone fighting gets you a share of the xp, healing a non-grouped person who's fighting gets you no RP, but that's getting to the philosophical bit ;))
 
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old.Odysseus

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In a fight, healers are putting a big part of concentration on their minibars.
minibar go down => heal (hopefully not a smite-cleric)

not grouped = not on minibar = no guarantee of healing

if I were a cleric, I would sure as hell heal my groupmates before anyone else.
 
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cougar-

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imo we discuss healers that are not occupied atm, watching non-grp members die, and dont heal just cuz they aint in grp.
 
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yog-hurt

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Originally posted by old.Odysseus
In a fight, healers are putting a big part of concentration on their minibars.
minibar go down => heal (hopefully not a smite-cleric)

not grouped = not on minibar = no guarantee of healing

if I were a cleric, I would sure as hell heal my groupmates before anyone else.
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seriousyl i mite cry! READ!

they were un occupied... i was the only person under any attack and in blatent view of everyone!
 
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Zill

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I think some of you are missing Yog's main point, where she was told that because she was soloing she shouldn't expect help as she doesn't help the realm. Well that's BS. She was at mmg doors trying to help her fellow realm mates by uncovering stealthers trying to get through. If 5 healers are close by not pre-occupied with helping their respective groups then they should have the common sense to help out.
 
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Belomar

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Well, regarding unoccupied healers not healing you, like Odysseus says, I imagine most clerics are concentrating on healing their groups and thus does not always see someone else's plight. As a cleric, your group is your main priority, and if you see someone else take damage, you usually assume that this other person is grouped and thus the responsibility of some other healer. If you want healing, then say so in main chat, and don't even expect it then, since many people get a bad case of tunnel vision in RvR situations and many times don't pay any attention at all to main chat (myself included).

So, assuming malice in a situation like this is uncalled for, I don't think anyone refrains from healing you just because you are soloing.

As for your remarks about the role of assassins in groups, I think these clearly show that you are not so well-versed in this area. :) I am sure some experienced assassins can pitch in here, but IMHO, an assassin can do exactly the same things in a group as he does solo, i.e. steal to the back of the enemy ranks and attack casters, healers, and crowd controllers. Thinking that being grouped as an infiltrator equals being a "tank", as you put it, is a misconception.
 
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old.Odysseus

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anyway at this point im stunned in the gate....i am standing in the gate for at least 30 seconds getting nuked to shit and after gogin through IP and FA i still die, although there are bout 5 healers around me
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I just re-read everything Yog wrote (you may want to consider taking some finglish lessons).

Nowhere does it say anything about the clerics not having anything to do.
I must assume that since Yog got killed, there were enemies nearby.
I must also assume that since albs did not immediately charge, albs did not outnumber the enemy by a significant portion.
Hence I think it is safe to assume that there is more action going on than a single assasin standing in the doorway - ppl on the walls etc.

Thus I conclude that the clerics were not standing in a circle around Yog doing /point and /laugh, they did actually have other things to do.

If you are not grouped with a healer, you are the healers lowest priority. You cannot expect healers to both keep track on their own group and select random ppl around them to heal.

And one final point:
Many ppl play with /effects self or off, thus they would not see Yog getting hit, even further lessining the chance of a heal.

conclusion:
Want heals? Group up.
 
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Chameleon

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It's a disgrace that people dont heal others in pve or rvr, in your group or not!! I stick pot and hot on anyone and everyone I think can use it with my ment and heal anyone who needs it with my bard, plus give spare dex buffs to stakers in the area. It doesn't make a difference if the person is in my group or not in my group, they are hibs and therefore we look out for each other. It's sad to think not everyone thinks this way. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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lissandra

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If i dont group I never ever expect a heal, buff or a rez. But allways when there is zerging and im there too I go for the healers, runies, bards druids and die pretty fast (maybe taking one or two of them out or maybe not) but even if i do it for albs to win the fight i never expect a rez or anything but i get sad if all ppl just run by not ressing a dead mate :/ but thats just how it is, the less expectations u have on ppl the happier u become when they actually do something nice for you :)
 
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Tigerius

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From a Clerics point of view I would also have to say group up. I really don't know what happend in this individual situation but speaking generally. This hasn't so much got anything to do with the fact that you don't share RP, it's that someone else IS. Someone else group me to get heals and they share RP for that, they don't group me to taxi me around emain to rezz people, my main priority will be them.

Also having people in my group bar is so extremely more effective than running around clicking random people to check on their health, I'm really not interested in doing the later.

Then there's power, each rezz costs me 50% power, that takes me an odd minute to regain, how many people do you see dying at a MG siege? Do they die more than once a minute? Sure do. And there's again the responsibility towards my group to be of use when they need me and not be incapacitated by no power.

We just can't be the entire realms Clerics, one Cleric over 8 people is quite potentially a too large power strain to begin with, factor in the 50% rezzes and there REALLY is no room to run around spontaneously LOOKING for more people to heal.
 
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yog-hurt

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Originally posted by lissandra
If i dont group I never ever expect a heal, buff or a rez. But allways when there is zerging and im there too I go for the healers, runies, bards druids and die pretty fast (maybe taking one or two of them out or maybe not) but even if i do it for albs to win the fight i never expect a rez or anything but i get sad if all ppl just run by not ressing a dead mate :/ but thats just how it is, the less expectations u have on ppl the happier u become when they actually do something nice for you :)
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no lissandra im sorry to inform you that.... well thats ALBIONS! gimped! when ive played mates chars etc in othwer realms you get ressed asap... they dnt care bout 3 rps each from 2 enemys which need a zerg to kill...they ress when they can.. its albion
 
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Tharion

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Hallelulja!!

I'm with Tigerius on this one.
I go for group first, realm mates second, odd annoying yelling idiots last.

- "heal me y0 n00b!"
- "rezz me now!!!1"

Reply: Group first, you're last on my to-do-list.
 
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sorusi

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Well i never expect healing, its just some sort of bonus ;)
 
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yog-hurt

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sigh, ok i state 1 more time and one more only...please acknoledge..

the only person who was gettin unjured was ME all albs were doing shit camping wall, the mids occasionally approaching etc.. when i hit a SB coming through i got stunned etc as i said... and i was the only one fighting, and it was quite obvious i was in plain view of everyone.... so it wasnt like i was expecting the healers to heal me over group...


alos... ok cleric in group... i would like to fine one cleric who litera,lly stares at his mini bar checking in case 1 of his group mates are injured..... seriously their eys must be fecked... and i bet the got a good life too... to have fun ina game is too not stop staring at your mini bar.....

p.s. read my post...the thread was asking peoples opinions of an infiltrator/ assasin in rvr.... the other shit was the intro ^^
 
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old.Leel

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Maybe they are tired of solo selfish infils and wanted you to die? You say you're standing in the mmg to get SB's, but to them, it's just you trying to rack up some easy rp solo.
Maybe they would LIKE you to group with them, so they could get a share of the rp's but since you don't, they let you die, so they can say "hah, there's for not grouping with us!"

Hey, I'm a healer, and I've had those thoughts. Spesifically giving mana regen to solo skalds and solo runies. I mean, why would I do them a favor, I get nothing from them. Only way to force them to group is by not helping them until they do.
 
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yog-hurt

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Originally posted by old.Odysseus

Then by all means, go roll a hib or mid, I wont stop you.
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no thx , i made my infi from lvl 1... and tbh there are a lot of infi/assasins that have bought traded for their chars... and imo i dnt see how they can get any satisfaction from killing anyone....when i kill someone i know its my char and i lvled it, i had the patience... 1. i woulod never swap. woudl ruin the reason i made the infi. 2.i would never delete cause tool a lot of time and effort to get Yog to 50...
 
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old.Nol

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I reckon Mythic should take away the ability to be rezzed if you're an assasin class.
 
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