infiltrators

[yog-hurt]

Originally posted by old.Leel
Maybe they are tired of solo selfish infils and wanted you to die? You say you're standing in the mmg to get SB's, but to them, it's just you trying to rack up some easy rp solo.
Maybe they would LIKE you to group with them, so they could get a share of the rp's but since you don't, they let you die, so they can say "hah, there's for not grouping with us!"

Hey, I'm a healer, and I've had those thoughts. Spesifically giving mana regen to solo skalds and solo runies. I mean, why would I do them a favor, I get nothing from them. Only way to force them to group is by not helping them until they do.

kthx.... ok lets say you are sittin at the back of a zerg at amg...regaining power....and i go to sneak through the amg to kill some...sweeet no SB in doorway..so i make it though! i see a healer at the back.... sitting... hmmm easy target...and good target...so i killl you..just think if an assasin had taken the time to stand in the gate... you would still be alive...

so umm when you sau they done nothing for you.....think again please

 

[old.Ramas]

Can't comment on whether infs are useful solo - since I cannot see them, they are never in the same place as me.

I will say the infs are useful in a group - mostly to stealth on sight of the enemy, take out healers, then take out casters, and to spot incoming enemy stealthers.

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The practical reason it's unlikely (but not impossible) that you'll get a heal from me when not in my group. Is that...

1) Finding the person who just wrote 'heal please' in a chat box is impossible in an engagement with more than 2fg albs visible, without wasting 30 seconds that I don't have on clicking on everyone wearing black one at a time. If you are in my guild *and* I happen to remember what colours you wear then maybe you have a small fraction of chance. But even then, you'll probably have to wait. And I don't care if you are standing right in front of me. So are 20 other people.

2) Piss poor heal cast times and mana pools, means I'm either oop, or about to be oop after I've healed my group. And so 99% of the time that a heal would be useful my mana is labelled 'Not for you'.

Oh, and if I'm in a group I won't even have enough conc to finish buffing my entire group - guess what the odds of spare conc buffs are?

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If you want to solo then more power to your elbow, it's entirely up to you.

If you want to ask for heals and buffs, then hey, it's a free country. I'm not going to get overexcited about seeing your request scroll up my chat window. And yes, if by happy accident I have any power at all, and I click on you (largely again by accident) it is possible you'll get healed, mostly it won't be because of the request - it'll be because I had clicked on people at random when I realised my power bar was full (rofl - yeah, it happens about once every 2 months).

But if you plan to get pissy when you don't get healed, then I'm afraid I for one would run low on sympathy pretty quick.

This is espeicially true in any large battle, when it's unlikely I would even notice your request.

 

[old.Ramas]

lol

Just read some of the other replies.

Some of you *really* need to try a healing class.

Please explain how in the name of all that is holy we are meant to spot which of the moving mess of albs in front of is injured, and successfully select it, and then not be low on mana after we've done so?

If other healing classes find they have a lot of time to sit at the back of a battle, work on their tan, and discuss the major geo-political issues of the day with each other, while dreaming up new ways to piss off assassins and enjoying the warm feeling of 100% mana and nothing to spend it on then I for one would like to know what I'm doing wrong, and they are doing differently?

Answers on a postcard...

 

[bf_kate]

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Yog does group with friends normally, but I don't see why he has to all the time in order to get a little heal from time to time. It's the same old story. Infiltrators get no help from "the realm" when they are leveling up but then are expected to group in RvR for the good of the realm.

He isn't asking for excessive healing, just when he got in a little trouble. I doubt that all those healers were out of power. People are so worried about rp! It's a little heal, your power comes back ffs. It's going to cost more power to rez as well, so you might as well throw a heal out. If an infiltrator is clearing out enemy casters, aren't they doing you a favour? Are you scared they are going to get some of your rp?

I'll always heal/rez infiltrators if I have power.

 

[Surgeon-Elite]

Being an infiltrator is a thankless job, i have seen many infils/sb's "sacrifice" themselves to take out a bard or healer knowing full well that they will die 1st and not get any share of the rp's.

When i used to play Surgeon i always looked out for solo infils when it is stalemate situations such as a MG or keep defense.

It's the least u can do, after all they r ur realm mate and all same TEAM whether in ur grp or not. If a clerics group members are not actually in the thick of things, plz look who are the tanks/stealthers getting nuked in the gate. (if it a crappy player maybe it is different but innocent till proven guilty).

1 point to remeber, it is way cheaper in terms of power to toss a heal rather then wait for them to die and have to rez... just a little more awareness of what is going on around, if u cant do that u prolly suck and i am glad u in alb.

Albion attitudes to stealthers in both PvM and RvR is a good reason to move, we could use another good SB join us and i pwrlvl u

 

[old.Ramas]

"I'll always heal/rez infiltrators if I have power."

Fair enough, I 'll always heal *anyone* if I have power - and can't think of any clerics who wouldn't. That doesn't mean it's a common occurence.

The point is that the group of clerics sat at the back of any battle, generally don't have power. That's why they are sitting at the back instead of doing something useful.

I also genuinely think people underestimate just how 'heal please' does nothing whatsoever to help me target you. (Plea to mythic: let me target players by clicking on their name in the chat window)

Personally I've alwasy been of the opinion that Albs do not suck, that clerics are trying to heal, that infiltrators are attempting to help the realm, and that on the whole everyone is trying to rub along. The reason such things don't happen reliably is normally because <insert-skill-your-class-does-not-have> is harder than it looks. The reason people do not reply, is because they are busy. And the reason people take a course of action you would not choose is because they know something you don't.

The player base is not conspiring against you.

Like I said, if someone wants to ask of for a heal/buff/rez/any-damn-thing then feel free. But be aware that lack of a response is not intended as a personal insult.


[EDIT: PS. and btw, as far as I'm concerned - the reason infiltrators are wise to join a group if one is around has nothing to do with 'the good of the realm'. They should join a group so I can target their ass without fumbling about trying to hit a moving target that keeps stealthing and running off. And so I can group heal without LoS.]

 

[old.Nol]

I rezz and heal anything I can, it's my job. Sometimes my group has to stand around and wait for me to finish rezzing people, they do it, because they know that if it was them dead, I would be regening to rezz them too.

Rezzing is probably the easiest thing to do in the game, there should be no excuse...unless ofcourse it's karam lying on the floor.

 

[Runolaz]

When I solo I don't expect to get buffs, heals or rez. If I get any of the above I'm just pleased. I can see your point about you beeing the only one attacked, but shit happends thats just the way it is.

That said playing an assassin solo IMO has nothing to do with beeing selfish on RP. Sometimes i grp sometimes I don't, but it has never had anything to do with RP.

 

[cyan_daoc]

Originally posted by old.Odysseus
In a fight, healers are putting a big part of concentration on their minibars.
minibar go down => heal (hopefully not a smite-cleric)

not grouped = not on minibar = no guarantee of healing

if I were a cleric, I would sure as hell heal my groupmates before anyone else.

agreed ... being a healer is mostly about keeping your eyes on the mini group bars .. and there's barely ever too much mana to keep own group healthy.

if you expect to be buffed , healed and rezzed when soloing , it's like you were in a group but others get no rps.

 

[froler-mid]

well ive played the 'guard-of-mg' thing a while now..fine way ganking sbs

if im solo i_dont_ever_expect_a heal, but sometimes you get one and its very appriciated.

Originally posted by yog-hurt

to me it means in a fight i go straight to0 the back and take out CC, healers etc....and to Cpl and Asyran this is selfish and rp whoreing.....but imo they can FUCK OFF! killing them means we win ffs, how hard is it to get a grip off, cpl is a 100% group infi from what i know...so he may be biased, but anyway .... please give opinions on infiltrator... is it to group with realm mates.. and be a 'TANK' basically or is it to wait for the right moment to take out that is needed.....

this go's for SB's etc too

thx

yes, thats our job, take out/disturb casters/healers. But once again, if your solo and doing this, dont expect a heal, your on your 'own'..

the only thing i expect from my realmmates when i solo is a rezz if possible.

Most healers in rvr are already grouped (i hope) and have their own group too take care of first of all.


(if im stunned and nuked in a mg im as good as dead already, i die waaaay too fast


/remi

 

[sharon_corr]

In my oppinion, an idle healer not helping his realm friend, wether grouped or not, is not a good thing. Maybe they had problems targetting you or so...
I know i'm lowbie and have nothing to do in Emain yet (except begging for some rps to get my acuity up ), but generally i start targetting ppl and healing those who need it... But well, Bards are supposed to be cute 'n friendly :-D

//Shaz.

 

[bf_kate]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
"I'll always heal/rez infiltrators if I have power."

Fair enough, I 'll always heal *anyone* if I have power - and can't think of any clerics who wouldn't. That doesn't mean it's a common occurence.

I can

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Shame I saw this thread so late.
Yog's complain is based on nothing really. There were 2 healers at mmg this morning. Not 5... only 2. There was 1.5 FG of Albs holding back about the same number of Mids.
A healer later said she did try to heal Yog but was just too late.
Please do not talk crap about the unwillingness of clerics. The clerics are not in the game just for you. They have other duties to attend to, and the clerics were busy with their own groups. Mind you, one cleric had just logged I think at mmg, so was not grouped yet.
Yog also got rezzed, so most of us were not certain why he was complaining so much. Those 2 healers did not have time to watch their team and one solo'ing inf really.
But it does get annoying if you die while a cleric is nearby. Play a caster class to get used to the feeling. Even grouped clerics cannot help.
Regards, Glottis

 

[yog-hurt]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Shame I saw this thread so late.
Yog's complain is based on nothing really. There were 2 healers at mmg this morning. Not 5... only 2. There was 1.5 FG of Albs holding back about the same number of Mids.
A healer later said she did try to heal Yog but was just too late.
Please do not talk crap about the unwillingness of clerics. The clerics are not in the game just for you. They have other duties to attend to, and the clerics were busy with their own groups. Mind you, one cleric had just logged I think at mmg, so was not grouped yet.
Yog also got rezzed, so most of us were not certain why he was complaining so much. Those 2 healers did not have time to watch their team and one solo'ing inf really.
But it does get annoying if you die while a cleric is nearby. Play a caster class to get used to the feeling. Even grouped clerics cannot help.
Regards, Glottis

and i say once AGAIN ffs Read pleas...... this thread was asking peoples opinions on infiltrators jobs.... and there was 5 healers not 2....

 

[sorusi]

lol its not selfish to solo in albion unless if your in one of the good partys with good ppl (v. rare)

 

[Chameleon]

It's silly to suggest that stalker classes should not go solo and should group up! I for one would dearly love to be in a group every time i've gone to rvr, but the truth is I've only ever got in a group about 3 times. People want stalkers in their rvr groups about as much as they want them in their pve groups. I solo because I want to play rvr, but too many people have misguided ideas about what a stalker class is capable of. I think if you asked a solo stalker to join your group cos they had a place, they would jump at the chance, I certainly would! It's insulting when people say it's cos you selfish with your rp's!!!

 

[Negura`]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Shame I saw this thread so late.

Insert lame post boring blabla load of crap here :sleeping:


Regards, Glottis

U mean u only managed to get 1 lame post in before teh end of the post?

Really?

Shame.
not.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Re: ...

Originally posted by bf_kate
Yog does group with friends normally, but I don't see why he has to all the time in order to get a little heal from time to time. It's the same old story. Infiltrators get no help from "the realm" when they are leveling up but then are expected to group in RvR for the good of the realm.

He isn't asking for excessive healing, just when he got in a little trouble. I doubt that all those healers were out of power. People are so worried about rp! It's a little heal, your power comes back ffs. It's going to cost more power to rez as well, so you might as well throw a heal out. If an infiltrator is clearing out enemy casters, aren't they doing you a favour? Are you scared they are going to get some of your rp?

I'll always heal/rez infiltrators if I have power.

/clap
/clap

 

[-frostor-]

Originally posted by yog-hurt


and imo i dnt see how they can get any satisfaction from killing anyone

thats where your wrong , if i kill somebody it makes me feel good
who cares about skipping the exp time , its the exp and the many hours waiting for groups that doesnt give me satisfaction

because you lvl your infil from 1 to 50 makes you a better infil
dont think so

 

[Cowled]

Originally posted by yog-hurt
well ... this thread comes froma large debate this morning in albion CG...
it started when albs were camping mmg in emain, nothing new... anyway, i was in gateway stopping SB's coming through, as one trys to get through i uncover etc etc, anyway at this point im stunned in the gate....i am standing in the gate for at least 30 seconds getting nuked to shit and after gogin through IP and FA i still die, although there are bout 5 healers around me.....i complain about this is CG etc.. and from then on i started having a debate...

this was with cplcarrot and Asyran, they were saying that if i wanted healing i should be in group, and sshould not solo.....they say that im selfish cause i dnt group and cause i dnt group i shouldnt expect a heal from a realm mate...they made the point that i dnt share 'rps'....and i dont help the realm at all soloing....basically the point of this thread is after a long intro.... what are your opinions ona assasin...

to me it means in a fight i go straight to0 the back and take out CC, healers etc....and to Cpl and Asyran this is selfish and rp whoreing.....but imo they can FUCK OFF! killing them means we win ffs, how hard is it to get a grip off, cpl is a 100% group infi from what i know...so he may be biased, but anyway .... please give opinions on infiltrator... is it to group with realm mates.. and be a 'TANK' basically or is it to wait for the right moment to take out that is needed.....

this go's for SB's etc too

thx

imo you need to grp to get heal.. don't expect it otherwise

 

[-frostor-]

lol no

 

[old.Leel]

Originally posted by yog-hurt


kthx.... ok lets say you are sittin at the back of a zerg at amg...regaining power....and i go to sneak through the amg to kill some...sweeet no SB in doorway..so i make it though! i see a healer at the back.... sitting... hmmm easy target...and good target...so i killl you..just think if an assasin had taken the time to stand in the gate... you would still be alive...

so umm when you sau they done nothing for you.....think again please

Ahaha, but I'm a healer, I don't have to worry about single assassins. Just insta mez and wait for friends to gank the assassin Besides, if you sit that far back resting, you deserve to get ganked. Like Ghaladriel yesterday at amg hehehe.

 

[Karl [DAOC]]

TBH Yog.. you are a whore

 

[jox]

Ok, sounds like a brag....

But it would be nice to kill everyone of you

There is noone who stand a chance against me and my friends
execept Master Gedan

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by Negura`

U mean u only managed to get 1 lame post in before teh end of the post?
Really?
Shame.
not.

Negura, I just wonder if you were present in the /CG?
Doubt it, so how can you question the validity of the comments I made? Try reading the comment again, and show what part is not true. Just curious.
Regards, Glottis

 

[yog-hurt]

Originally posted by Karl [DAOC]
TBH Yog.. you are a whore

and you my pimp gimpo ^^

:wub:

 

[censi]

Do what the rest of the Zulu's do and just zerg.....

 

[Affri]

I totally agree with everything Tigerius and Ramas have said.

Yog, if you think it's so easy to heal EVERYONE in RvR go roll a healer yourself.

 

[Belomar]

Re: ...

Originally posted by bf_kate
I'll always heal/rez infiltrators if I have power.

Don't listen to Kate, she's biased since her love puppy is an infiltrator.

 

[Novamir]

im a hero