Infil Realm Abilities

[old.Tyraette]

Heya all

Just a quick question for you, at present I have See Hidden and whilst Ive found it useful, I can't say its changed my life, or is worth the 8pts used in it so was thinking of respeccing it.

I <think> I can just about manage Vanish at the moment, if not right now, then very shortly. My question is, is vanish worth it? I remember speaking to a few people once, and they said it also is bugged? How so? Unusuably so?

I'm currently aiming to be a Dragoninf <I love that term>, and am also one of the main scouts <not scout, but inf doing the scouting job (theres an irony - Nerf Nerfs!)> for the Templars. If anyone could give any thoughts or advice, I'd be grateful...not just on See Hidden/Vanish, but on infiltrator realm abilities in general. For example, I know dodger is a good thing, but how many levels should I be aiming for? First Aid? Ignore Pain?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[)nick(]

Aug Qui 2,
Aug Dex 2,
Dodger 2,
MOP 2,
FA 2,
IP

That's a good spec. I wouldn't go for vanish or see hidden, because I dont like actives other than IP. I'd go for the passives first so you can compete on the occasions that the higher rr sbs/nss don't have IP ready and then save up for IP later.

 

[mavericky]

I am not an inf (see sig) but saw a post by Jadow saying that he has bought Vanish and had found it useless due to the bugs with it, and tried to appeal for another respec to get it changed. I would say try and find someone who has it and ask them about it (if you really want it) or get Dodger or save for IP.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by -nicolas-
I wouldn't go for vanish or see hidden, because I dont like actives other than IP.

See hidden = passive

Shaeffer - just commenting on my experience... Going for DF you want the best chance to evade possible, so dodger is probably worth going for. I did so and now I am an evading machine - I could probably pull guards at a keep purely by walking up to them and then backing off down the slope and still not die Hell, I have had to turn my back on guards to suicide before, and I evaded a greater telamon about 5 times in a row just the other day

That said, in your role you may well consider see hidden - probably overpowered but it will help you spot those stealthed archers as a part of your scouting. I got it simply because I was getting pissed off with truesight tbh, and I am pleased with it so far.

Good luck with it

Jup.

 

[Generic Poster]

I doubt I will bother with See Hidden myself, but if you want to scout a lot, will be usefull for you.

As a 'Dragoninf' you'll need a couple of levels of Dodger.
atm- with Dodger5 and at lv50, you will have a base chance of 50% to evade, + the extra chance from Dex/Qui. But, Evade will be capped at 50% soon, that makes Dodger4 questionable and Dodger5 a waste of points.

I have Dodger3 and like everything else in the game, it's inconsistant, at best. In some fights I've evaded orange-con mobs upto 11 times! Another fight with the same mob will have only 3 evades. But those are the two extremes and on the whole, I like D3 and won't respec out of it any time soon.


FA is very usefull also. Assassins will lose IP, which I'm glad about tbh, mostly because I wasn't planning to spec it

FA keeps you going in RvR aswell as PvE. Don't leave home without it! Get FA1, see how you like it, then get FA2



I'd say ignore Vanish for now. Spend your points on FA and Dodger.

 

[Damon_D]

Hehe forget IP..well you can have it and use for a while.. but they are gonna take it away from ya hehehehehe

 

[liste]

IP: for ethical reasons. i will never get this. its wrong, and it doesnt fit my char by a long shot. besides, 23 points is far too much to spend on a 30 minutes timer ability, if you ask me.

See Hidden: oh yes. i think its a _must_ . reason for this, is truesight. if you dont have see hidden, Archers will have the edge. if you have see hidden you will have the edge. Camouflage and TS will ensure, that you dont always have it, and can still be surprised by an archer, making it a bit more fun

Vanish: Had it, and loved it. its notorically hard to use in combat, which make some people claim its bugged. it is not, actually. just HARD to use its a good get out of jail free card, though.
(one little thing i consider a bug, is that you have no way of checking if the timer is gone. if you hit vanish while stealthed, you waste vanish just to stay stealthed)

Dodger: I'd take it to level 2 personally. level 3 is a bit expensive, i think, and level 2 will make you able to evade 27 times in a row in a tangler pull (tested and counted )

as for other RAs:

aug qui 2: required for dodger, and will aid your evades even further

aug dex 2: required for various abilities

Mastery of Pain 2: get it, and hurry. possibly lvl 3 as well, depending what points you have at your disposal

Purge: dont have it, but i am likely to get it at some point

Toughness: hit points always help

Aug con: its cheap. may as well get at least lvl 1

Long wind: havent tried this, but i have considered taking lvl 1. you often have to run away as an inf, and since you will have less endurance than your opponent due to your PA having missed (usual reason for legging it ) he will catch up.

Avoidance of Magic 2: i'd go as far as saying this RA is a MUST for any class who can get it.

Lifter: i think i'll get one level of this. while being a non-essential RA for combat, its a useful tool for ram carrying and wood trains.

Duelists reflexes: if youre a Merciltrator i'd consider this fairly essential. otherwise, i'd disregard it completely

Mastery of Stealth: havent heard of anyone actually getting this one could be useful for chasing down other assassins, but....

Mastery of Arms: Camillo had this, i know, and was very pleased with it. requires aug strength 3, though.

Bladedance: its so silly, that i'd consider getting it No idea of the damage output on it. anyone tried it, with their massive ammount of respecs?

Second Wind: i'd simply LOVE to have the points for this, but aug con 3, and then 10 points for SW is too much :/ Very good on paper, this one.


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hope this clears it up a bit Schaipher

 

[Trish]

Yeah, IP will be removed from assasins in 1.56B. But then again it might be worth getting now, since that patch will get here about Q4 2006 or something

 

[liste]

you will recieve the points spend, when its removed, so...

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

...but getting IP now, then learn to depend on it, being able to take out people by using it, then loose it and die a lot until you have learnt to fight without it.
Was going for it, isn't now.

Or am I being silly?

 

[Levin the Blue]

No, Pebr, you're being quite right I think. I'm not going to take IP with my infil either. Don't want to learn to bike with support wheels and then have them removed suddenly. It will require a different approach to RvR, and i'd want to learn it from the beginning.

 

[old.Tyraette]

And as for you Levin...get Ehlias back where we can see him!


Thanks for all your help here guys, much food for thought.

Sticking with See Hidden, not bothering with IP, awaiting reports on vanish <Liste...can you go into more detail with your opinions on it? pink poof though you are >

rest i'll see how it goes <winks>

 

[old.Tyraette]

hope this clears it up a bit Schaipher


<has just noticed>


BASTARD!!!

 

[Azal]

I'd recommend NOT buying second wind, use end totems instead. The top ones give a full end bar back

 

[liste]

Azal, fair point. Have no experience with either

Vanish:

as it is, you can fire it Any Time. this means PA-CD vanish PA CD ->

however. if you dont time it excactly right, you will hit vanish, disappear, then auto-attack styleless, lose vanish. This only gets harder with faster weapons, and lag.
You will usually be using it in direct combat, which means your target has a very very high chance of detecting you straight off -> attacking you and breaking vanish.

The way to use it 'right'. PA-CD. remove weapons, move off a bit, vanish, PA-CD.

This is useful, if your target is stunned by your CD. if not, he'll chop you to bits, anyways.


It is, however, fairly useful as a getaway ticket. The 'bug' that people complain about, i think, is that it seems to me, that after you vanish, you dont fully disappear until after 1 tick. this means, that everyone can still target you, hit you, insta-something you, etc etc etc.
Only situation i've found that it works properly, is if you kill your target quick, and nobody else targets you before vanish. ie, move in on the caster, one shot, and imediately vanish.

if they fix this, so you actually DO vanish, this RA is WELL worth it!

As it is now, i'm having trouble deciding. its not all that useful, and its on a 30 minutes timer, but OH DAMN its fun when it works

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

While on the subject of Infils...

CritStrike 39 - 50 with Items/RR: PA-CD-SS chain
DW 34 - 45 with Items/RR: Dark Tendrils, chains off Evade and causes Heavy Bleeding, nice upping of %chance to DW
Thrust 50: Dragonfang, self explanatory
Envenom 30 - 41 with Items/RR: 3rd best DoT, 2nd best rest
Stealth 34 - 45 with Items/RR

1 leftover

Comments?

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Pixie.Pebr

Comments?

Nerf them to hell.

Seriously... 2.5 spec points/level is a joke.

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

What?
They are taking IP away... that is like.. a uhm... HUGE nerf!
Infils will be sitting ducks. Honest...

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

*coughs*

To quote our mutual friend, Mr. Larsen (t'is a famous quote).

... sure

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

He's danish, I don't believe (or understand) a word he says anyway

 

[Generic Poster]

Originally posted by Pixie.Pebr
CritStrike 39 - 50 with Items/RR: PA-CD-SS chain
DW 34 - 45 with Items/RR: Dark Tendrils, chains off Evade and causes Heavy Bleeding, nice upping of %chance to DW
Thrust 50: Dragonfang, self explanatory
Envenom 30 - 41 with Items/RR: 3rd best DoT, 2nd best rest
Stealth 34 - 45 with Items/RR

As a thrust infil, you don't really need the lv39CS style. All you want is an evade for DF = win. After CD(34CS) you have a little stun which you can use to strike, then hit a %defence style of your choice. With any luck, you'll evade the next time you're attacked and DF them.

<I haven't played a Thrust infil, but from the sounds of it, that's how complicated it gets).


If I was going to roll a thrust-infil now, I'd auto stealth to lv48 and have this spec at the end:

Stealth   35 }
Envenom   35 }  All can be raised to 50 with RR5 and +11 from spellcrafting
DW        35 }
CS        35 }
Thrust    50

The only reason to take CS to 39 would be for a higher PA cap, which is hardly significant.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Pixie.Pebr
He's danish, I don't believe (or understand) a word he says anyway

He also taught me this one - you might remember me using it from time to time.

Be stille, svenske mand!

LOL

Oh - and before all the Danes out there dive bomb me now... I know I fecked up the spelling.

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

hehe Sicko
No new legendary danish phrases under the hood?


Generic:
Valid points (sic!) though my baby is 35 already, so the auto stealth to 48 is screwed. Wouldn't do it anyway I think, need to be able to go break the exp.treadmill with some Yggdra-ganking from time to time and autoed stealth to 48 doing that... hmm.. no.
Will leave CS at 34 now though while working on an alternate endspecc with that in mind.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Nerf poxy.peter!!1


I think I've exhausted my legendary danish phrases for now...

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Then have a legendary danish Pølse

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

ph00l! Never hotlink to geocities.

Smart as I am I pasted the link into my browser(tm)...
Do they fry the Poelse thingies? Me likes fried sausages... yum.

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Weird, the piccy shows just fine for me....
Ohwell, made you work for your food, like it should be

Fried, boiled, on plate or in bread.
Ketchup? Mustard? Chilisauce? Garlicsauce? Roasted onion?

You want it, the Danish has it

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Bah... I just had breakfast (the famous bagle, of course), you can't scare me.

Oh.. and by the way:

Harrr

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
Bah... I just had breakfast (the famous bagle, of course), you can't scare me.

Oh.. and by the way:
(insert funneh pictar here!) <--- See Damini, I learn
Harrr

Bwahaha!

Time for coffee now, no more silly replies for atleast 10 minutes

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Bah... you just can't come up with any more witty replies.

Filthy Alb.