Im being sued by the IRMA for filesharing!

[Escape]

The prices for computergames are remarkably constant during the last couple of years

That's because the prices cannot go any higher! Will sales rise if PC games start selling for £45? (I haven't checked console prices but I think some are past the £40 mark?)

£35 is already too high for the average game, which has a lifetime of ~30 hours. Though these would sell easily at the £15-20. But publishers and the other assholes who take a cut are killing the market.

Actually there is!
There´s freeware, there´s shareware, there are budget titles, there are browsergames, there is abandonware, there are mods etc.etc.
The customer can perfectly decide how much money he can afford to spend on software. And he has plenty of options to chose from.

That's like comparing Andrex to Tesco Value toilet tissue!

 

[Binky the Bomb]

know of a man who had 3 months of continuous music to play on his pc (I.e. if you started playing it, 24/7 withput breaks).

Week he gets his dvd writer, his HDD blows up. Irony.

 

[Thorwyn]

£35 is already too high for the average game, which has a lifetime of ~30 hours. Though these would sell easily at the £15-20.

How much do you pay for watching 15 movies (~30 hours) in the cinema? And even if the lifetime is too short... it´s always the customers choice if that´s worth the money or not. If it is, fine. If it isn´t, ok. The consequence of a product that´s not worth the money in your opinion is: dont buy it.

But publishers and the other assholes who take a cut are killing the market.

That´s a common argument and while there´s some truth in it, it´s not the ultimate argument. Do you know how much money goes into a game? I can give you some examples abpout developement costs, but that´s way too OT here. But trust me, it´s FAR into the 6 digit range.

That's like comparing Andrex to Tesco Value toilet tissue!

No, that´s exaclty what you were asking for... the same flexibility in price and quality as Lada and Rolls Royce.

 

[Overdriven]

Going to say what I've said to everyone I've met when it comes to this...


"The _only_ way to stop this is to close down: the internet, all types of file/shareware/all IRC applications and any type of messenger. Then they've got to remove all CDRWs/DVDRWs then they've got to format every HDD - since you can still transfer music without any problems"

The internet and file share is too great now to be stopped.... About... 20+ million people do it?

 

[harebear]

I wouldn't listen to the music I listen to, wear the shirts I wear, go to the gigs I go to, or buy the albums I buy if it wasn't for downloading music so tbh fuck the law. I want to hear stuff before I buy it so I know im not paying for an album with 1 good song.

 

[Roadie]

I wouldn't listen to the music I listen to, wear the shirts I wear, go to the gigs I go to, or buy the albums I buy if it wasn't for downloading music so tbh fuck the law. I want to hear stuff before I buy it so I know im not paying for an album with 1 good song.

Word!

 

[Ctuchik]

The internet and file share is too great now to be stopped.... About... 20+ million people do it?

thats only in the asian countries id say its ALOT more then 20 million.

 

[Vireb]

"The top six offenders have uploaded in excess of 2,000 illegal files which is equivalent to 200 albums. This is wholesale mass distribution and is effectively stealing the livelihood of the creators of music"

Think of the poor billionair artists! Poor poor eminem and madonna etc.... Now they cant get their 230th luxury car, or that third private jet they were looking at :/ Oh the horror.

hahahaha southpark ............. NOT A BIG DEAL HUH!!!!!!!!!!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, i'm just gonna say my opinion on piratism, any form.

Don't like it. Don't have one inch of pirated material(porn, mp3, games) on my computers.

Might be 'cause i'm in the game business and piratism is a major thing here too.

But not saying people shouldn't do it, hell, go for it. Just not my cup of tea.

Though this opinion might change if i ever manage to get any downloader software on my homecomp and i see how f*cking easy it is

 

[Ballard]

Personally I download alot of stuff, but the interesting thing is I dont think it has reduced the amount of money I spend on legitmate movies and games. I dont download music as I find it hard to find the stuff I like so mainly get it via mail order. I am generally downloading movies that I would not go to see and games that i would not buy otherwise. For me I pay for the experience, if it is a movie i really wanna see, I also wanna see it in its full cinematic glory with the sound booming and popcorn in my hand. If its a game i want, I want it shrink wrapped, with a nice manual and the legit patches/online component. If i think the experience at the end aint gonna be worth it i do not buy it. When it falls in the middle ground there is a good chance ill download it. Would be interesting to know how many other people work on a similar philosphy.

 

[Fana]

Personally I download alot of stuff, but the interesting thing is I dont think it has reduced the amount of money I spend on legitmate movies and games. I dont download music as I find it hard to find the stuff I like so mainly get it via mail order. I am generally downloading movies that I would not go to see and games that i would not buy otherwise. For me I pay for the experience, if it is a movie i really wanna see, I also wanna see it in its full cinematic glory with the sound booming and popcorn in my hand. If its a game i want, I want it shrink wrapped, with a nice manual and the legit patches/online component. If i think the experience at the end aint gonna be worth it i do not buy it. When it falls in the middle ground there is a good chance ill download it. Would be interesting to know how many other people work on a similar philosphy.

Pretty much the same with me. Most of the movies and such that i download i would definetly not have seen at the theater. I didnt buy much music before i started downloading stuff, and i still dont so not much difference there. And, as you say, if there is something i really want (games, movies etc) i buy it rather than download so that i have access to updates and its good quality etc, as well as manuals, extras, and the box itself.

 

[Ronso]

mate ..I work in the music industry in Ireland and Ive met a few people from IRMA in my time and have been invited to their awards on the private party list etc and I can safely say they cant touch you ..wont go into it more than that and Im not making any form of statement but you dont have to worry even though it doesnt look like you are

 

[Job]

The problem is the retailers, they take WAY!!! to much out the loop.

That's why the net is sweet, Apple could be seen as the retailer for music on I-Tunes and they are getting FA for their trouble.

OK not much goes to the poor old musician either , but that's another story.

We have a system in place where the guy SELLING you the stuff is making more than the guy who wrote and performed it.

 

[Ronso]

The problem is the retailers, they take WAY!!! to much out the loop.

That's why the net is sweet, Apple could be seen as the retailer for music on I-Tunes and they are getting FA for their trouble.

OK not much goes to the poor old musician either , but that's another story.

We have a system in place where the guy SELLING you the stuff is making more than the guy who wrote and performed it.

I couldnt care less about the artists tbh ..they will generally get their fill or have some sort of income from record companies ..its the independant record shops that I worry about like the one I work in ..obviously I dont refer to the virgins and hmvs of the world as they have the money and influence to adept to a changing market and will eventually be a force unto themselves on the cyber market but ..same oul story ..

 

[Chilly]

cant download vinyl

 

[Marc]

I wouldn't listen to the music I listen to, wear the shirts I wear, go to the gigs I go to, or buy the albums I buy if it wasn't for downloading music so tbh fuck the law. I want to hear stuff before I buy it so I know im not paying for an album with 1 good song.

haha n1 mate.

So true.

 

[Escape]

Don't ask how I came across a Fragle Rock discussion, but this post is kinda funny

(topic starter is pissed at people ebaying his FR encodes)

So youre upset abou tpeople making a profit off your mpeg encoding captures; not so much people on kazaa/other p2p sites sharing these episodes? As correct me if Im wrong, it seems the point of Fraggle Rock is to spread it to as many people as possible. I and countless others got screwed by JHC in the 80's by not being able to see FR growing up. Not only was it on cable...it was on a pay channel on top of being on cable.

So not only do I condone, I outright encourage anybody and everybody to pirate, rip, bootleg, etc any and all Muppet or JHC related material. Why? Because there are kids like me who would otherwise never be able to see Fraggle Rock. Or kids in the US who would never be able to see Hoobs or Mopatop. Or what about little Ngotu in Africa or Pablo in South America whose only means to see FR episodes is by internet downloads?

 

[Morchaoron]

FR owns!

 

[Ilum]

No talented music artists will have any problem with having enough cash to get by in life. I pretty much only see upsides to filesharing - at the end of the day its just some aged men who wants their multi million profit who's trying to fight it.

 

[Morchaoron]

and lets not start about movies & filesharing, seen in some paper few months ago: "Holywood: filesharing will kill the movieindustry" and a few weeks later i read "2004 Hollywood's best year ever"

jackasses....

 

[Lakashnik]

i havent DL anything for ages. mainly cos i can either never find wht i want or if i can just cant find it with a good quality so i give up.
used to DL films before release here and would decide whether or not to spend money on seeing it with mates in cinema. some i hate and dont go some i think are amazing and i go multiple times
damn my wallet being so thin.

 

[old.Tohtori]

That´s a common argument and while there´s some truth in it, it´s not the ultimate argument. Do you know how much money goes into a game? I can give you some examples abpout developement costs, but that´s way too OT here. But trust me, it´s FAR into the 6 digit range.

With a 6 digit offer, a game company might consider making an add-on to a game. These days, were talking 7 digits atleast for even a "risky" game concept.

Also what people are forgetting is that, when the game fails, and there are countless numbers of them, the producers take a major hit in their finance.

With a, say, Halo budget, the game has to sell 1 million copies before the producer has earned the cash back from investing into the game in the first place.

Just to give an idea of ze other side

 

[Thorwyn]

With a 6 digit offer, a game company might consider making an add-on to a game. These days, were talking 7 digits atleast for even a "risky" game concept.

err.... of course, that´s what I meant to say: 6 "0"´s behind the initial digit.

And one flop usually means the end of the developer team, as we´ve seen so many times in the past. That´s why most companies are trying to stay on the safe side, releasing sequel after sequel of a successful branch and trying to avoid risky (=innovative) projects. Take a look at Looking Glass for example, they developed of the most innovative designs in the 90ies, it flopped, they went tits up. Everybody who´s crying for more innovations and creativity in the gaming sector should take into consideration. There is a reason why companies are releasing TombRaider 5 instead of a new, fresh and creative game. And the reason is not a lack of creativity.

 

[Huntingtons]

afaik, and im pretty sure.

Any anti pirate group does not have anything on you without your hard disk drive containing the files, that works. They can show screenshot's of your shared list, show logs from ISP about transfers etc etc etc. But they should not have anything on you without your HDD.

anyway the AGP's only work for major companies who weep when they lose a possible customer like virgin and sony etc. The small companies (previously mentioned to get harmed, Gamah i belive did?) do not get anything from this because they cannot hire the APG's :/.

Besides after i got internet i have bought more cd's than i would have done without.

 

[Suffix]

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/749/

 

[Morchaoron]

With a, say, Halo budget, the game has to sell 1 million copies before the producer has earned the cash back from investing into the game in the first place.

heard they had a turnover of ~$113 million with Halo 2 in the first day of release so they cant complain

 

[Darksword]

2k songs isnt much - on certain programsi aint mentioning coz people may be watching <looks around> i know of people who have in excess of 50k songs, i think theres one guy who has 40k ALBUMS! and thats like regular, tho that may have been 40k songs, cnat remmebr, people download mad loads of files.

 

[Darksword]

Think of the underground artists and labels that are going under because of illegal music sharing..people are loosing jobs etc..I have no sympathy for you, if you want to steal then you can deal with the punishment.

Fana its not like music sharing is affecting the rich and famous only...its affecting the base level musicians trying to make a living by music and being ripped off by people who share it on the net.

tech blew up because of file sharing so think of those that gain from it, alot of the UK and US underground music is getting distrobuted and labels are like " man this kids good, we gotta find him" and so they do, u know tech could only afford to release 2k (or 200, cant rmemebr) copies of his first album, and from that it went online, and people started talking, and people downloaded, and people heard his name and were like "man this guys speaking some truth"...

u know for alot of artists that are underground its coz they wanna stay true to the music so dont give two fucks if there albums circulating the net coz they also sell there albums at gigs - how else does there album get out in the first place? and then ur like "awww that guys set was maaaaad u shoulda been there, i got his album u can borrow it, ill put it up on <program name>"

then it circulates etc

 

[Outlander]

well I dl all my porn and the porn industry still seems to be surviving well

 

[old.Tohtori]

heard they had a turnover of ~$113 million with Halo 2 in the first day of release so they cant complain

True, but not at all make it. There have also been sequals to games that have flopped worse then a skydiving whale.

If some producer hadn't shoveled a crapload of money in the first halo, halo 2 wouldn't be around.