i dont believe in hibguard

[Tehmeh]

ok, to be honest here, i dont think hibguard exists.

what i have seen time and time again, is Hibs putting together a well organised attack force to poke a large hole in Alb, and then mids taking the chance to take an opportunistic swipe at alb also, while they busy defending against the hibs.
no realm can defend against a sustained attack on two fronts, be it alb, hib or mid.
what i dont understand is why hibs have not posted their complaint that every time they decide to attack alb, mids decide its a good time to attack alb also, i mean the mids are giving the hibs a bad name...

just a thought

Tehmeh

 

[Septina]

ok, to be honest here, i dont think hibguard exists.

what i have seen time and time again, is Hibs putting together a well organised attack force to poke a large hole in Alb, and then mids taking the chance to take an opportunistic swipe at alb also, while they busy defending against the hibs.
no realm can defend against a sustained attack on two fronts, be it alb, hib or mid.
what i dont understand is why hibs have not posted their complaint that every time they decide to attack alb, mids decide its a good time to attack alb also, i mean the mids are giving the hibs a bad name...

just a thought

Tehmeh

Any realm would do the same no matter what people say.
Mids attack hibs, albs will also attack hibs cause they might get a relic or two aswell. Same with all 3 realms.
And you said it yourself "no realm can defend against a sustained attack on two fronts, be it alb, hib or mid."

I think more than anything today people just wanted to do some 'payback' towards the people that originally put all this in motion.
There's no doubt in my mind that this event would never have happened unless the 20 or so albs took the hib relic to start with.

 

[Sorin]

Any realm would do the same no matter what people say.
Mids attack hibs, albs will also attack hibs cause they might get a relic or two aswell. Same with all 3 realms.
And you said it yourself "no realm can defend against a sustained attack on two fronts, be it alb, hib or mid."

I think more than anything today people just wanted to do some 'payback' towards the people that originally put all this in motion.
There's no doubt in my mind that this event would never have happened unless the 20 or so albs took the hib relic to start with.

no hibs added when we just took our str relic back

and the reason for that, as i've said before, is cuz no-one is online
.. so no, they don't do the same

 

[Dr_Evil]

Imo let's just continue running over Albion every day until they stop taking back relics in the middle of the night.

 

[Sorin]

Imo let's just continue running over Albion every day until they stop taking back relics in the middle of the night.

you gotta run forever then

 

[Septina]

Imo let's just continue running over Albion every day until they stop taking back relics in the middle of the night.

Its kinda hard tho since albion is the only realm that has a high realm rank guild that actually does ALL their rvr at 1am+ and 99% of that rvr is keepsieging.

 

[Tarsus]

I see exactly where tehmeh is coming from on this one. Regardless of why hibs did what they did, at least they can be given credit for organising the raid.

Am I imagining it or are mids a realm of adders these days? Do they prefer to just wait and see whats happening, and then add to take advantage instead of spearheading their own raids, or is that unfair to say...

It's probably true that all realms would/do add to some degree but I'm curious to know if the general hibs consensus is that they dont care, or would rather the mids FO instead of adding on everything they do, so that they can claim sole credit for whatever they achieve.

 

[Septina]

I see exactly where tehmeh is coming from on this one. Regardless of why hibs did what they did, at least they can be given credit for organising the raid.

Am I imagining it or are mids a realm of adders these days? Do they prefer to just wait and see whats happening, and then add to take advantage instead of spearheading their own raids, or is that unfair to say...

It's probably true that all realms would/do add to some degree but I'm curious to know if the general hibs consensus is that they dont care, or would rather the mids FO instead of adding on everything they do, so that they can claim sole credit for whatever they achieve.

I'm sure the hibs would care about what the mids did under normal circumstances but seeing how well the albs pissed most people off with their early morning relic raids, why would they care?
Albs got what they deserved a million times over and will get it again and again and again i'm sure.
Take a look at your own realm and have a look at what people really are 'spearheading and leading their own raids'.
2 nights this week your realm has pve'd the relics and you have the balls to whine at mids for taking advantage of a primetime hibled raid?

 

[Shike]

Am I imagining it or are mids a realm of adders these days? Do they prefer to just wait and see whats happening, and then add to take advantage instead of spearheading their own raids, or is that unfair to say...

It's probably true that all realms would/do add to some degree but I'm curious to know if the general hibs consensus is that they dont care, or would rather the mids FO instead of adding on everything they do, so that they can claim sole credit for whatever they achieve.

Mid are slow on taking own initiative yes, has been like that for a while. Every single time hibs do something, mids is there to either a) take hibkeeps and fuck us over or (hello Brad..) b) take albkeeps or relic and fuck albs over. I dont really remember last time Mids took a primetimeinitiative on their own aimed at relics, perhaps I just wasnt online or something Last relicraid Mids did on their own was vs Hibernia, and that was an ACraid, and Hibs took a small force and took it back the night after. You are defo not far off from how it seem to be Tarsus. I think you are right in that most realms would interfer somehow but yes, Hibs are the ones on cluster that primarily take initiatives, which is a bit funny actually seeing as we was underdogs for a very long time numberwise. OH believe me, we have yelled at mids when they try and stab us in the back haha, we do if they stab alb in the back, its not our problem, its albs problem then and albs are ofc free to yell at em if they want to, nothing strange with that

 

[Tarsus]

Not whining as such Septina, but I can't understand why mids don't seem interested in doing their own thing.

For example, suppose if mids made a move on hib str relic tonight (after all, unless I am mistaken mids don't owe hibs any favour?). I doubt that hibs would just shrug and say aaw fuggit let them have it. I'm sure they'd try to defend, and would give albs some chance. Just a thought...

 

[Septina]

Not whining as such Septina, but I can't understand why mids don't seem interested in doing their own thing.

For example, suppose if mids made a move on hib str relic tonight (after all, unless I am mistaken mids don't owe hibs any favour?). I doubt that hibs would just shrug and say aaw fuggit let them have it. I'm sure they'd try to defend, and would give albs some chance. Just a thought...

Not arguing that mids could arrange more raids themselves all i've been saying is that people cant really blame a realm for taking part in another realms already ongoing raid, afterall its all realms vs eachother so 'leeching' or 'adding' on another realms raid is what anyone would do if its benificial for their own realm.

 

[Tarsus]

That's a fair point Sep but it would be refreshing to see mids paint hibs blue instead of focusing on albs most of the time. I give you a good example: not that long ago, albs were having some very nice fights with irvr in hibland and the mids turn up to join in at first which is fine .. they could've opened port in hibland also and it would've been some great action, but instead they turn their attention to albs ... again ... fair enough if you loathe albs x2 more than hibs but, they're not supposed to be your friendly neighbours either ^ ^

 

[Sharkith]

Not whining as such Septina, but I can't understand why mids don't seem interested in doing their own thing.

For example, suppose if mids made a move on hib str relic tonight (after all, unless I am mistaken mids don't owe hibs any favour?). I doubt that hibs would just shrug and say aaw fuggit let them have it. I'm sure they'd try to defend, and would give albs some chance. Just a thought...

Tarsus,

The answer is really simple - ofc Mid would and in fact have in the past but, and this is the crux of the issue, Albs have a very small bunch of idiots that do nothing but galvanise the other two realms against you because of lame play. If those guys had half a brain they would hold off and play smart politics by arguing that allowing Hibs to take relics is going to unbalance the game.

Do they do that?

Nope they are so fucking thick they cannot see beyond their own noses..... Ask your own realm mates why they cannot for the love of christ see that. Its a political thing and unfortunately the lame assed idiots are more interested in whine on FH than playing in a way that would help their realm. Its that simple.

 

[Kaun_IA]

ok, to be honest here, i dont think hibguard exists.

what i have seen time and time again, is Hibs putting together a well organised attack force to poke a large hole in Alb, and then mids taking the chance to take an opportunistic swipe at alb also, while they busy defending against the hibs.
no realm can defend against a sustained attack on two fronts, be it alb, hib or mid.
what i dont understand is why hibs have not posted their complaint that every time they decide to attack alb, mids decide its a good time to attack alb also, i mean the mids are giving the hibs a bad name...

just a thought

Tehmeh

dont bother whit it... some albs are just too stupid to see it....

 

[Zegas]

This is true, makes a change for the whole rest of the time when alb / mid take towers/keeps etc and hibs leech the work by coming in when doors down or taking advantage in some other way

But must hand it to hibs for doing it prime time and albs are pretty lame for taking back late at night :/

 

[Tarsus]

That's an interesting point of view Sharkith... but can I ask you honestly: if hibs were to make a thread saying that they're going to raid alb relics (for no special reason), do you think mids would really be inclined to plan an attack on them, while they're busy painting us green?

 

[Muylaetrix]

I don`t believe there is such a thing as a hibguard. quite some of the players I know don`t even realize they only see deathspam related to THEIR own realm and therefore think of the grand `hibguard` consiracy theory.

I do believe that given a choise of opponents, a lot of mids and hibs will try to kill the albs first.

 

[Daphney]

Only way to make a point is to raise every damn alb tower and keepdoor there is every evening. Bit hard to hold onto your relics if your towers are eventually unclaimed because no-one can be bothered to take the repaircosts.

 

[Darzil]

Only way to make a point is to raise every damn alb tower and keepdoor there is every evening. Bit hard to hold onto your relics if your towers are eventually unclaimed because no-one can be bothered to take the repaircosts.

You're right, making Alb even more indefensible for those Albs who play normal times, so we give up on RvR entirely will make a better game . . .

Darzil

 

[Darzil]

Any realm would do the same no matter what people say.
Mids attack hibs, albs will also attack hibs cause they might get a relic or two aswell. Same with all 3 realms.
And you said it yourself "no realm can defend against a sustained attack on two fronts, be it alb, hib or mid."

I think there are several things in play. One is that as Alb is slightly larger, in total population, anyway. As a result some in both Hib and Mid think it's fairer to have Hib vs Alb and Mid vs Alb than other combinations.

I've certainly noticed that if Alb raid Hib, Mid hits Alb. If Alb raid Mid, Hib hits Mid or Alb.

If Hib raid Alb, Mid hits Alb. If Hib raid Mid, Alb hits Mid.

If Mid raid Hib, Alb raids Hib. If Mid raid Alb, Hib hits Alb.

The result is that pretty much any Hib or Mid raid has a good chance of success (2 vs 1), but that most Alb raids fail at primetime (2 vs 1). This is pretty much stopping Alb primetime raids, and means that raids happen when not many people can be involved instead. That then perpetuates the cycle.

If there was one thing I could change to make people stop believing in an organised Hibgard, it'd be to display deathspam from the other realms. At the moment an Alb won't see a message when Hibs and Mids kill each other.

Darzil

 

[Arkian]

I think there are several things in play. One is that as Alb is slightly larger, in total population, anyway. As a result some in both Hib and Mid think it's fairer to have Hib vs Alb and Mid vs Alb than other combinations.

I've certainly noticed that if Alb raid Hib, Mid hits Alb. If Alb raid Mid, Hib hits Mid or Alb.

If Hib raid Alb, Mid hits Alb. If Hib raid Mid, Alb hits Mid.

If Mid raid Hib, Alb raids Hib. If Mid raid Alb, Hib hits Alb.

The result is that pretty much any Hib or Mid raid has a good chance of success (2 vs 1), but that most Alb raids fail at primetime (2 vs 1). This is pretty much stopping Alb primetime raids, and means that raids happen when not many people can be involved instead. That then perpetuates the cycle.

If there was one thing I could change to make people stop believing in an organised Hibgard, it'd be to display deathspam from the other realms. At the moment an Alb won't see a message when Hibs and Mids kill each other.

Darzil

You should have seen the deathspam when the hib zerg bumped into the mid zerg near boldiam last night, that would have killed stone dead most peoples preconceptions of a 'hibgard' alliance.

 

[Wilburn]

I have been in a fg that went to play at a hib keeptake, and i have been in a fg taking a keep where hibs decided to play along. What is this thread about again ?

 

[Craparoni]

I have been in a fg that went to play at a hib keeptake, and i have been in a fg taking a keep where hibs decided to play along. What is this thread about again ?

Dont worry about that, just sit back and read

 

[Gahn]

I have been in a fg that went to play at a hib keeptake, and i have been in a fg taking a keep where hibs decided to play along. What is this thread about again ?

It's impossible, judging from some posts in these threads since Albs can't see Hib-Mid Deathspam of eachothers, it's only Hibs and Mids killing Albs meight!

 

[Kinag]

It doesn't help when I was standing stealthed watching 1fg mids running past 1fg hibs /hugging eachother ^^

 

[Gahn]

It doesn't help when I was standing stealthed watching 1fg mids running past 1fg hibs /hugging eachother ^^

That's probably what another peep, that doesn't know that we fought many times each other, can think if he sees me cheering u for a fight win against an Hib or vice versa ain't it?

 

[Icebreaker]

It doesn't help when I was standing stealthed watching 1fg mids running past 1fg hibs /hugging eachother ^^

give screenie please

 

[Kinag]

That's probably what another peep, that doesn't know that we fought many times each other, can think if he sees me cheering u for a fight win against an Hib or vice versa ain't it?

Not really, as if he was standing there all the time he'd notice it.

I was on my way from Snowdonia to Hurbury, fg mids were running in the forrest, healer used SL, hib comes by and uses SL and they ran around looking for me (I had just stealthed) and then they stopped, hugged eachother, and hibs ran against hurbury while mid ran the other way.

 

[Kinag]

give screenie please

I didn't take a screenshot, but why would I lie?

If you've read anything of what I've said you'd notice I'm against the albs doing late night raids, I'm not aginst your cause here so why the hell would I lie about something like that?

 

[swifteagle]

Just as a note to those who dont know the history of the server you can blame the early mids and hibs for all this suspicion about hibgard/midbernia.

In the first few months of excal hib and mid had a pact that they wouldnt attack each others relics because alb outnumbered them so much ,especially hib.
This might have only been for a few months but on Albs side it built up a real suspicion about double teaming and cross realming which has never really gone away.

As far as hibgard these days from an Alb point of view it does seem more likely that if its a choice between a hib or mid attacking an alb or each other the alb will get it in the neck everytime, even if its 1 mid 1 hib and 1 alb the other two will choose the alb,doesnt mean there is a hibgard just makes for more suspicion.

Can't say I blame them given the server and realm history but can make for alot of frustration from those albs that never have and never will take part in AC/early morning raids etc which seems to annoy so many