How tall are you?

[Hawkwind]

You have no idea. Clothing manufacturers actively work against anyone who tries to normalise the data for clothing fit. Its a fucking nightmare (its actually even worse for kids clothing). We've been trying for years to get to a solution, but you've got manufacturers who deliberately undersize clothing (because it makes women feel better about their size) and you've got manufacturers who use non-standard or even proprietary sizing (looking at you Ted Baker). There are people like Fits.me trying to come up with solutions, but there's a big cost and process overhead for retailers to make it work, and as I said, a lot of manufacturers actively hinder the process.

Funny you should mention Ted Baker, I recently got two shirts (1 Ted Baker the other Ben Sherman) from Debenhams online. According to the store size guide I would need a XXXL (48-50). Could not even try them on they were so small, I would have ripped them apart. I ended giving them to my father in law who they fitted nicely, he is a 42" chest! How can they get it that wrong??

 

[Trem]

Under Armor for T-shirts, go XXL or Berghaus, same size and actually FCUK or Cross Hatch for jeans fit nice. Trousers and shirts I don't know because I don't wear them much, last shirt I bought was a Craghoppers one in XXL and that fitted nice. I don't do real sizes they confuse me

 

[Jupitus]

I think you'll find @Jupitus will have something to say about that

5'9" akchewly!!

 

[Chilly]

Under Armor for T-shirts, go XXL or Berghaus, same size and actually FCUK or Cross Hatch for jeans fit nice. Trousers and shirts I don't know because I don't wear them much, last shirt I bought was a Craghoppers one in XXL and that fitted nice. I don't do real sizes they confuse me

M&S have a decent solution for shirts, I reckon. They sell them based on the collar size: so 14" to 18" or whatever and then they have loose, medium and tight fitting ones to go with what your middle is shaped like. I currently fit best into their "tailored" (middle) 16.5" shirts best.

 

[Trem]

I think my chest was 50 something when I got married, does that sound right? I think 52 or 54 or is that something out of my mind? I am damn sure it was 54 because they were bitching about getting the bottom of the jacket to fit right when it went in around my waist or something. I can't be arsed with all that bollocks, I wouldn't even take a job where I would have to wear smart stuff. Having said that this year I have decided that I don't like jeans, shorts and some other leg wear for me from now on.

I wish I could just go to Babies R Us for my clothes like @Jupitus does

 

[Jupitus]

I wish I could just go to Babies R Us for my clothes like @Jupitus does

You think it's so easy??? I can't reach the counter to pay for it!!!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tall enough to get on all the rides, otherwise it's just a uncontrollable feature that somehow is acceptable to judge someone by.

 

[Moriath]

Tall enough to get on all the rides, otherwise it's just a uncontrollable feature that somehow is acceptable to judge someone by.

Speaks a man with a height complex

 

[old.Tohtori]

Thanks for proving my point.

168cm btw, short, with no issues with it either. Just hate the way it's used even if one can't control it.

 

[ECA]

At least you have plenty of leg room on public transport, planes etc.

Plus you get to be the little spoon.

 

[BloodOmen]

6'3-6'4

 

[Scouse]

Yeah. Four people above complaining about BMI telling them they're fat.

Guess what? You're fat.

At 18 stone I didn't think I was fat. At 13 stone and 6'3" I now understand how much I was carrying - and could easily lose another stone. But there's now so many fat people in blighty that people think normal-weight people are underweight. We've all got fat-eyes. Take a trip to eastern europe if you want to see how people should look...

 

[Trem]

Yeah. Four people above complaining about BMI telling them they're fat.

Guess what? You're fat.

At 18 stone I didn't think I was fat. At 13 stone and 6'3" I now understand how much I was carrying - and could easily lose another stone. But there's now so many fat people in blighty that people think normal-weight people are underweight. We've all got fat-eyes. Take a trip to eastern europe if you want to see how people should look...

I aren't fat and I bet you look like some conduit.

Can I assume that you think professional rugby players are fat, some are way over 19 stone.

 

[leggy]

5'9" .. I went on a date with a girl at the weekend and she commented on how short I was. Despite the fact she was 5'1"!!!

She got into so much trouble.

 

[old.user4556]

Bin her fast.

 

[Scouse]

Can I assume that you think professional rugby players are fat, some are way over 19 stone.

Are you a pro rugby player Trem?

According to wiki there's 131,399 senior male rugby players registered in England. Out of a population of 60 million. So I'd quite happily count them as statistical outliers.

But in the last page of FH there are 4 people who count themselves as statistical outliers. Are they in denial or are they right?

 

[Scouse]

5'9" .. I went on a date with a girl at the weekend and she commented on how short I was. Despite the fact she was 5'1"!!!

That's why Toht moans about tallness being a thing. It's a thing in the eyes of women. Therefore it's a thing.

Of course, it's easy for me to be OK with that at 6'3". But apparently a ten inch cock is also a thing.

 

[Edmond]

5'9" akchewly!!

Seriously, how are you considered dwarf-like, you're taller than me!!

 

[TdC]

Jup is 28 inches high irl.

 

[russell]

Ok, 5'6 and a half

I thought I was taller, but then I only look myself in the mirror before I go out on a Saturday night when I am wearing 6 inch heels

You need to get measured at the doctors dude or come and stand by the measuring door in the kitchen. Sure you can't be that small?

 

[Jupitus]

Seriously, how are you considered dwarf-like, you're taller than me!!

Blame @Deebs for that!

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's why Toht moans about tallness being a thing.

Almost, i was saying i dislike shortness being an acceptable judging point

Though you are right that it's more towards tallness being selling point.

 

[Trem]

Are you a pro rugby player Trem?

According to wiki there's 131,399 senior male rugby players registered in England. Out of a population of 60 million. So I'd quite happily count them as statistical outliers.

But in the last page of FH there are 4 people who count themselves as statistical outliers. Are they in denial or are they right?

Because you lost weight it doesn't mean you are the same as everyone else, people are built differently. Muscle weighs more than fat was the point I was making and no I aren't a rugby player. The BMI does not take into account muscle mass, which again, weighs more than fat, it also does not take into account the size of a ladies boobs for instance. You lost weight, well done, I don't want to nor need to, I aren't in denial I just know my body and how I am built, the lightest I have ever been in my adult years was 15 and a half stone and I looked ill.

If you carry on you are in danger of becoming Freddys very own Gillian McKeith my wheel hub troubling chum

 

[soze]

Are you a pro rugby player Trem?

According to wiki there's 131,399 senior male rugby players registered in England. Out of a population of 60 million. So I'd quite happily count them as statistical outliers.

But in the last page of FH there are 4 people who count themselves as statistical outliers. Are they in denial or are they right?

You are being far to simplistic to explain a system that does not allow for anyone who is not cookie cutter. In school when I played rugby to a high standard and could happily run up and down the pitch for 80 minutes twice a week I was classed as obese. Yet I was active fit and strong. My best mate had a mental metabolism and had about 2% body fat. He also had about 2% body muscle and could not walk up a flight of steps without wheezing. Yet his weight means he was perfectly healthy according to BMI. So just because you weight the right amount it does not mean your healthy and that is why BMI should not be used to judge health.

 

[Scouse]

BMI should not be used to judge health.

BMI isn't used to judge health. It's an accurate ready-reckon for 95% of the human population's weight. That's all. Nothing else.


Edit: It's people getting defensive over what BMI says about them that's causing this. Don't shoot the messenger.

For example:

Because you lost weight it doesn't mean you are the same as everyone else

Where in the passage you quoted did I say anything about my weight or muscle mass? I'm regurgitating science fact about a system used very succesfully for the vast majority of humans to tell them information about their weight.

You guys need to stop being so emo about it

 

[soze]

BMI isn't used to judge health. It's an accurate ready-reckon for 95% of the human population's weight. That's all. Nothing else.

No it is not I was counted as a health risk because of nothing other than BMI and I doubt I am the only person they have used that weak excuse on.

 

[Scouse]

No it is not I was counted as a health risk because of nothing other than BMI and I doubt I am the only person they have used that weak excuse on.

You were counted as a health risk because a statistical tool that's accurate in the vast majority of cases said you weigh too much.

I've never met anyone who BMI has said "you weigh too much" who's gone "you know what, maybe the BMI is right" - they all moan about it. Fuck - I moaned about it when it said I was a porker.

But I was a porker. I'm not a rugby player, or samoan, or a high-class bodybuilder. Therefore chances are BMI was perfectly accurate for my tall, broad shouldered self. Just like it is for the vast majority of people.

 

[soze]

OK one last one and then I am out this is going in circles and I might have to quit.

BMI being used as a tool to asses weight across the population ok that is fair enough. But to use it on people individually is as out of order as saying you pay double the car insurance because you are a man and defend it by saying statistical models show men are worse drivers.

And you know what I know I am overweight now I don't need BMI to know that I just need a mirror.

 

[CorNokZ]

Ahhh Scouse started an argument. Was a good thread, but I'll just leave now thanks

 

[Scouse]

But to use it on people individually is as out of order as saying you pay double the car insurance because you are a man and defend it by saying statistical models show men are worse drivers.

I'm not condoning it's use in the insurance industry. Your experience there is pretty disgraceful.

All I've said is that BMI is a good ready-reckon on your weight - and nothing else. It might be a stone out for many - but what's a stone? The argument is because people don't like that fact and rather than pander to them I'm saying "no - BMI probably ain't far out for you"...

Edit: But I'll leave it alone now