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old.user4556

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He's not wrong, but he's just on his self-righteous ignorant and insulting soapbox. If he didn't talk in such fashions, i might listen to his personal hidden pro-arab agenda.
 

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I don't think there's anything wrong with George, he's just angry at all the stupid people still plugged into the matrix. I find it refreshing to see someone actually talking about serious stuff on the telly, I realise this idea is kind of radical (reality may make people confused and angry).


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I thought the news anchor was funny, she lost it too easily though (it was only 10 mins). You could tell she fukin hated that man by the end of the interview. (Probably the highlight of her career tbpfh...she 'aint no Paxman!)

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Ch3tan

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Plugged into the matrix?

Are you saying that you beleive Galloway is teh One?

Sillyman.
 

Trem

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Hes more a number two.
 

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Ch3tan said:
Plugged into the matrix?

Are you saying that you beleive Galloway is teh One?

Sillyman.

I am teh One :eek:
 

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I would love to bend that twat over and fist him till he bleeds!
 

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From that sky interview though, he does have an incredibly valid point, Israel have been occupying lebanon since the 70's, and everyone just seemed to have forgotten about it, now lebanon are the wrong doers for wanting their territory back.
 

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*takes weev's territory*
 

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weevil said:
From that sky interview though, he does have an incredibly valid point, Israel have been occupying lebanon since the 70's, and everyone just seemed to have forgotten about it, now lebanon are the wrong doers for wanting their territory back.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Isreal invaded the Lebanon in 1982 (for pretty much the same reasons they invaded this time, just a different set of terrorists) and left in 2000. They wouldn't be there now if Hezbollah weren't firing fucking rockets at them. How many times...
 

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So.... the reason they invaded Lebanon and occupied it in 1982 was that PLO was attacking into Israel from there? Correct? Why? Perhaps because the PLO were attempting to put pressure on the jews for occupying Palestine.

[rant mode on]

The whole world should keep smacking the fuckers with a big stick until they pull back and surrender territory they've occupied/invaded since 67 (or even better 1948). Then we should use the big stick on any arab neighbours that annoy them. We could keep doing this until all the various fuckers in the region get the fucking message.

But of course that won't work, 'cause the USA is happy to allow Israel to seek new living space for it's hordes of Russian Immigrant Jews. And loads of the US fuckers in power are weirdo wacko right-wing Christian fundaMENTALISTS that believe that we are in the "end of times" and that encouraging a spreading war in that region speeds up the second coming of Jesus H Cunting Christ.

Sorry... [rant mode off]
 

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Only because they had been attacked previously ! Jesus do you people only see what you want to see?
Id smack all the arab states , and indeed most muslim states with a big stick till they all died to be perfectly honest.




(Have I gone too far by the way?)
 

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not yet Throdders :)

Still, I'm afraid your method will not work: even if all the extremists in the entire world were to suddenly dissapear, some other band of ***** coveting their neighbor's ox or just having a bad day would certainly rise to the occasion :/
 

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DaGaffer said:
...They wouldn't be there now if Hezbollah weren't firing fucking rockets at them. How many times...


....yeah, the rockets that didn't kill anyone.

Remember the hostages anyone? Prisoner exchange? Anyone?

What George said in the clip was that there are parts of Lebanon that Israel never withdrew from. A disputed territory, if you will (a new concept in the middle-east). The UN are happy and say that Israel officially withdrew all it's troops from all Lebanese territory in 2000, but some believe Shebaa Farms (which Israel occupies) is part of Lebanon. This, and the prisoners Israel still hold, is enough to create hostility.

Remember as well, on one hand you can agree with the UN and say Shebba Farms is nothing to do with Lebanon - but what about the West Bank and Gaza? Do you also agree with the UN there? Or is it ok for Israel to build settlements in someone elses country? (*disclaimer* land that's not theirs)

http://www.destinationlebanon.gov.lb/eng/TheMinister.asp


....unless Israel are working for the Lebanese tourist board but they got the wrong idea when they said they wanted an 80's themed cultural event.

(N.B. The "breathtaking eco-tour" is now 1000% more breathtaking)

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If they don't want Israel occupying land, perhaps they shouldn't have declared war on Israel and got hit with TdC's hammer of banz0r.
 

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Paradroid said:
....yeah, the rockets that didn't kill anyone.

Oh, we're back to that. Again. And not true btw. AND IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!!!!!. That fact that Hezbollah were firing rockets was enough! How many times??

As for the West Bank and Gaza...you know what? I don't give a fuck. In the six-day war Israel was attacked by FOUR COUNTRIES, who wanted to push the Jews into the sea. They got spanked and they were fucking lucky Israel didn't annex the whole trans-Jordan. As it was, the West Bank, Gaza and Sinai were small potatoes (and a damn site smaller price than the Israelis would have paid if they'd lost). Then in 1973 the fuckers tried again. And then in 1982 when they realised they couldn't send real armies against the Israelis because they just ended up looking like pussies, they used terrorists instead. I don't care about the poor Palestinians because you know what? They're fucking idiots. All the smart ones fucked off years ago.

I feel sorry for the Lebanese, they're caught in a world of shit only a small part of which is their own making, but I don't give a fuck about the Palestinians. They lost, get over it.
 

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Ch3tan said:
Plugged into the matrix?

Are you saying that you beleive Galloway is teh One?

Sillyman.


I'd say he thinks he's on the outside (with all the reality and such) and the reporters & politicians he has to deal with are like that slimey guy in the matrix - the one who sold everyone out so he could taste steak again. He knows what they know, and, they know what he knows. They know that he knows what they know, and, he knows that they know that he knows what they know, he's just angry that they're doing nothing about it but fill their boots. It's simple.


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DaGaffer said:
Oh, we're back to that. Again. And not true btw. AND IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!!!!!. That fact that Hezbollah were firing rockets was enough! How many times??

As for the West Bank and Gaza...you know what? I don't give a fuck. In the six-day war Israel was attacked by FOUR COUNTRIES, who wanted to push the Jews into the sea. They got spanked and they were fucking lucky Israel didn't annex the whole trans-Jordan. As it was, the West Bank, Gaza and Sinai were small potatoes (and a damn site smaller price than the Israelis would have paid if they'd lost). Then in 1973 the fuckers tried again. And then in 1982 when they realised they couldn't send real armies against the Israelis because they just ended up looking like pussies, they used terrorists instead. I don't care about the poor Palestinians because you know what? They're fucking idiots. All the smart ones fucked off years ago.

I feel sorry for the Lebanese, they're caught in a world of shit only a small part of which is their own making, but I don't give a fuck about the Palestinians. They lost, get over it.


Amazingly, everything you said reflects exactly how the media's portrayed the Palestinian story ... which is what they expect you to think.

I'm not disputing any specific facts, just that all the facts that are reported are pro-Israeli...generations of propaganda and you start believing the hype. I know it's mundane but take any story, leave out a few key facts, and you can completely change the story.


DaGaffer said:
I don't care about the poor Palestinians because you know what? They're fucking idiots. All the smart ones fucked off years ago.
...


What about Jews ('n'co) living in greater Germany during WWII? Were they fucking idiots? Deserved the camps, mmmh? After all, some of the smart ones did fuck off early.

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Paradroid said:
Amazingly, everything you said reflects exactly how the media's portrayed the Palestinian story ... which is what they expect you to think.

I'm not disputing any specific facts, just that all the facts that are reported are pro-Israeli...generations of propaganda and you start believing the hype. I know it's mundane but take any story, leave out a few key facts, and you can completely change the story.

I have no axe to grind, I don't care about either of them. Just bear in mind the above statement cuts both ways. At no point have I seen you say that the Israelis have a right to defend themselves, and at every point you've painted them as 'aggressors'. And as for this supposed pro-Israel media bias; I'm not sure what press you're reading, but I can't remember much Pro-Israeli press in the last 20-odd years.

Paradroid said:
What about Jews ('n'co) living in greater Germany during WWII? Were they fucking idiots? Deserved the camps, mmmh? After all, some of the smart ones did fuck off early.

:mad:


You're comparing two utterly different situations. What happened to them was unprecedented, and relatively quick. Some Palestinians have been sat in 'refugee' camps in the Lebanon, Jordan and Syria for nearly forty years. They've had children and grandchildren there. I'm sorry, but there reaches a time when you cut your losses and move on. The smart ones have done that, so you're left with the idiots and the fanatics.
 

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....and the poor and distitute tbh, not all of whom should be classed as idiots or fanatics
 

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The US press/media tends to be pro-Israeli but the EU press/media tends to be pro-Palestinian.
 

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GDW said:
....and the poor and distitute tbh, not all of whom should be classed as idiots or fanatics

Well if they weren't idiots, they wouldn't be poor and destute would they? They'd have fucked off somewhere that wasn't getting bombed.
 

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Bodhi said:
Well if they weren't idiots, they wouldn't be poor and destute would they? They'd have fucked off somewhere that wasn't getting bombed.

But its their country - should they quit because its in trouble?

Should our ancestors have quit Britain during the blitz???

Should protestants in Northern Ireland have quit the place because of the IRA?

Additionally, Israel make it unpleasant to live there for the purpose of clearing it out so they can absorb it - the Palastineians arent stupid and wont get driven out for that reason.

As to only idiots being poor thats a very western centric arguement - because you come from a privileged country people in poor countries must be idiots - thats a rather strange idea...
 

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rynnor said:
But its their country - should they quit because its in trouble?

No its not. Palestine was never a 'country' in the first place. And yes, after 60 years, they should quit.

rynnor said:
Should our ancestors have quit Britain during the blitz???

Should protestants in Northern Ireland have quit the place because of the IRA?

Both different situations. And if Britain had lost the war and we were all sat having this conversation in Canada or something talking about liberating Britain from under the Nazi yoke I might feel differently, but I hope I wouldn't, and I'd just be a Canadian and get on with my life.

rynnor said:
Additionally, Israel make it unpleasant to live there for the purpose of clearing it out so they can absorb it - the Palastineians arent stupid and wont get driven out for that reason.

They've already been driven out. Most of the Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan have never been to Israel. Most of them weren't born within the borders of Israel/'Palestine'. So what's the point in rotting in a refugee camp for your whole life? Like I said, the smart ones have left already. Of course the Arab world likes to keep the refugee camps there for their PR value, despite the fact they could easily afford to integrate these people into their societies. But that's not something they do, that's a Western thing.


rynnor said:
As to only idiots being poor thats a very western centric arguement - because you come from a privileged country people in poor countries must be idiots - thats a rather strange idea...

But they're not in poor countries, in a lot of cases they're in quite wealthy countries, they're justed treated as second-class citizens because it suits the status quo. No-one said they were poor, we said they were idiots.

Palestine is a lost cause. The sooner the arab world accepted that and accomodated the Palestinians properly the sooner the conflict would end. But of course that will never happen, because the Islamic world will never accept that the jews have a right to ooh, half a percent of the former Ottoman Empire, most of which they bought from arab 'owners' who actually had no land title (being tenant farmers of an effectively feudal empire), but the jews paid them anyway. All the subsequent losses of arab territory the arabs have brought upon themselves.
 

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DaGaffer said:
Palestine is a lost cause. The sooner the arab world accepted that and accomodated the Palestinians properly the sooner the conflict would end. But of course that will never happen, because the Islamic world will never accept that the jews have a right to ooh, half a percent of the former Ottoman Empire, most of which they bought from arab 'owners' who actually had no land title (being tenant farmers of an effectively feudal empire), but the jews paid them anyway. All the subsequent losses of arab territory the arabs have brought upon themselves.

The Jews were out of Israel for a hell of a lot longer than 60 years but they didnt give up - by your logic they should have just 'gotten on with it' and forgotten about their history in Israel.

Why should the Palastineians give up? Israel only exists because of the collective guilt after WW2 and the powerfull jewish political lobby in the US.

When the American superpower wanes (as all superpowers do) Israel will disappear as have other states throughout the history of the region.

A country that small surrounded by enemies - it can never be viable - and it sure as hell isnt now - its like a lunar colony - its completely dependant on outside finances/rescources.

Unless Israel can somehow find a way to be peacefully accepted by neighbouring states in the region it is doomed - maybe not today but someday...
 

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rynnor said:
The Jews were out of Israel for a hell of a lot longer than 60 years but they didnt give up - by your logic they should have just 'gotten on with it' and forgotten about their history in Israel.

Why should the Palastineians give up? Israel only exists because of the collective guilt after WW2 and the powerfull jewish political lobby in the US.

When the American superpower wanes (as all superpowers do) Israel will disappear as have other states throughout the history of the region.

A country that small surrounded by enemies - it can never be viable - and it sure as hell isnt now - its like a lunar colony - its completely dependant on outside finances/rescources.

Unless Israel can somehow find a way to be peacefully accepted by neighbouring states in the region it is doomed - maybe not today but someday...

Israel was going to exist long before WWII happened; it was happening anyway. Palestinians only have an identity because of Israel, 'Palestine' was a British mandate, and before that an Ottoman province; its never been a real country, any more than Iraq is, and we all know how that's going to turn out. The Palestinians were no more native to 'Palestine' than any other part of the Trans-Jordan; the Ottomans moved whole populations around all the time, that's why the Balkans were/are such a mess.

If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the Israelis to be around longer than any of the states surrounding them. If anything puts paid to 'the Jewish state' it'll be demographics not terrorists or the arab states.
 

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DaGaffer said:
If anything puts paid to 'the Jewish state' it'll be demographics not terrorists or the arab states.

Simple economics will finish them if nothing else - how can you have a 'loss leader' state - its severely in the red - it has no real rescources - it even has to use de-salination to produce enough drinking water - its a house of cards.
 

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