Hasn't been a post like this for 5 minutes so

[hotrat]

Check out this screenshot of a perfectly balanced damage dealing class:

Note the delay inbetween each main (2xx dmg) hit was around 1.5 seconds.

Oh in case your having trouble thats 1 miss, and 2 hits in terms of rounds of combat.

Also note the grogan surrounded by magical buffed, thats BoF, note how it didnt effect me, DAMN mythic are so GOOD at programming

 

[saltymcpepper]

zerkers need a massive nerf

 

[Belomar]

Hmm. So now BoF is bugged too? It certainly looks like that from that screenie.

 

[Jiggs]

savages are gonna get hit with nerf in 1.65

 

[-fwapp-]

Originally posted by hotrat
Check out this screenshot of a perfectly balanced damage dealing class:

hmm 2 hit.. that'd be the infamous fast weapon degradation that the savage tl rightly considers savages priority, only way to to explain such slow killing

 

[Antedeluvian]

Quad hits dont happend too often.... my arse.

 

[rure_]

advanced evade, high melee resist and determination with that.

a guildie of mine rerolled on pryd/mid, a savage. at lvl 49 he soloed a rr8 mincer that got the jump on him. both were buffed.

 

[Rhuric]

Mincers arnt famous for being great meleers you know

 

[-fwapp-]

Originally posted by Rhuric
Mincers arnt famous for being great meleers you know

but savages are famous for being overpowered :/

 

[rure_]

Originally posted by Rhuric
Mincers arnt famous for being great meleers you know

everyone knows that, but we have DDs to back us up.

 

[hotrat]

Mincers arnt famous for being great meleers you know

Minstrel is pretty strong with all their RA's up, and if they ain't that good in melee how on earth did Alpha make rr10 through almost exclusive soloing

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by hotrat
Oh in case your having trouble thats 1 miss, and 2 hits in terms of rounds of combat.

think it was 3 hits actually as you manage to cast inside a quad hit otherwise and his unstyled hits seem to be around 140 and not 186. So that was pb break, miss, quad, (grogan gets bof??)single, (you begin to QC something) triple i think.

 

[AbPoon]

I know Savages are too much atm Rats but theres no need to Wajn about it everytime we kill you on irc ok :E

 

[rg-zorena]

cry more noobs

 

[hotrat]

think it was 3 hits actually as you manage to cast inside a quad hit otherwise and his unstyled hits seem to be around 140 and not 186. So that was pb break, miss, quad, (grogan gets bof??)single, (you begin to QC something) triple i think.

Hmm I think you are right, if you check the DoT proc it first tics on the second swing, then its 4 seconds before it tics again, which it does just before i die, so basically he was swinging at 2 sec speed, and killed me in 3 hits, in FOUR seconds, ~six if you include the bt break.

 

[hotrat]

hmm on the other hand the dot does go off in between the last triple, indicating that an event can happen in between the first and last hit of a triple or quad.

However that would require a 4 sec delay on his weapons, unless I ran away and the second hit didnt happen after the 2 sec weapon delay but actually happened after the savage caught up, i wasn't sprinting, but i do remember running a bit.

Also isn't it more likely a crit on an offhand that caused the 186 hit, rather than the main hand damage dropping from 220+ to 180?

 

[hotrat]

Oh also I dared to make a post on the Midgard RvR forums on VNBoards, some support from those who want them nerfed would be appreciated

Here is the link
http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=55786289&replies=5

 

[-ag-bometal]

Soon

Verry soon,

nobody can escape the nerf bat

YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CANT HIDE

On serious note,

Savages will be nerfed because they are pushing all other offensive tanks of Midgard away... Overpopulated class will get nerfed (Mythics Law) Only exception is ofcourse chanters :/ (Mythic created a pact with them IMO)

Or perhaps we need to hit em in melee with the Tab'Fren ?

 

[Subbiz]

Originally posted by hotrat
Minstrel is pretty strong with all their RA's up, and if they ain't that good in melee how on earth did Alpha make rr10 through almost exclusive soloing

I know.. its something thats often found on ships and in airports!

 

[llixeraxu]

I solod a buffed savage called Robban in Df the other day, had about 1/3 health left over when his mate ran up and i had to exit pretty quickly.

But yes, 1 dead buffed savage. me = no bb.

I have no idea how good this guy is, but obvioulsy there must be some skill in playing savavge

Someone wash my mouth out..

 

[elahim]

Originally posted by rure_
advanced evade, high melee resist and determination with that.

a guildie of mine rerolled on pryd/mid, a savage. at lvl 49 he soloed a rr8 mincer that got the jump on him. both were buffed.

He was lvl 48 =)

 

[herjulf]

I owned a 49 Savage with my skald with no great fuss he left me at 40% HP, and i was buffed.
But i did expect to loose, nevertheless.

BUt there was no biggie taking him out.
It was a troll Savage he evaded me ONE time only.

i played a chicken game on him though DD + Mez. w8ed 15secs or so AND rear style chained him.

I parried 2 times in that fight.

No doubt atm quad, and tripple hit ratio seem to be bugged, that is imo the main part of their overpowerdness imo.

As comparison, Reavers arent exactly underpowered in comparison to savage.

I ran into this Samaldanch fella, dunno his RR etc, i just ran into him near HTK in odins once iwht my skald afte he owned my shadowblade like ther was no tomorrow , he owned my skald aswell like there was no tomorrow.

left me crying to mama.

 

[Kindar]

Originally posted by hotrat
Minstrel is pretty strong with all their RA's up, and if they ain't that good in melee how on earth did Alpha make rr10 through almost exclusive soloing

Safe grey con killing?

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Kindar
Safe grey con killing?

Jealousy is an ugly thing.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Now give wizzies elephant mode.... a combo of m00se & rat mode

 

[Jiggs]

it will get nerfed, just like mages/scouts/beserkers etc etc etc

we'll still have a go, and its true with all our RAs up we stand a good chance of at least having a fun fight.

but its like if SoS and 2xBoF arent up, sometimes u feel u may as well just sit down.

not whining, but i dont think its right that the game should be balanced around these RAs, and its pretty clear that RAs down a savage group is superior.

 

[parlain]

Originally posted by hotrat
Check out this screenshot of a perfectly balanced damage dealing class:

Note the delay inbetween each main (2xx dmg) hit was around 1.5 seconds.

Oh in case your having trouble thats 1 miss, and 2 hits in terms of rounds of combat.

Also note the grogan surrounded by magical buffed, thats BoF, note how it didnt effect me, DAMN mythic are so GOOD at programming

 

[Amadon]

yeh nerf them please

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by hotrat
Hmm I think you are right, if you check the DoT proc it first tics on the second swing, then its 4 seconds before it tics again, which it does just before i die, so basically he was swinging at 2 sec speed, and killed me in 3 hits, in FOUR seconds, ~six if you include the bt break.

hmm on the other hand the dot does go off in between the last triple, indicating that an event can happen in between the first and last hit of a triple or quad.

However that would require a 4 sec delay on his weapons, unless I ran away and the second hit didnt happen after the 2 sec weapon delay but actually happened after the savage caught up, i wasn't sprinting, but i do remember running a bit.

Nah, he gets another dot proc on you on another swing.

Its a double (for no damage), quad (with a dot proc on the first hit), single, triple (with a dot proc on the second hit).

You need a log if you want to know the timings.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by herjulf
I ran into this Samaldanch fella, dunno his RR etc, i just ran into him near HTK in odins once iwht my skald afte he owned my shadowblade like ther was no tomorrow , he owned my skald aswell like there was no tomorrow.

Omg, Rdaneel the Noob From Hell already has a head the size of a planet, don't encourage him.