Griefing or Not?

[Turamber]

Playing on an RP server (normal ruleset), on a guild raid last weekend we had problems finding any alliance players that wanted to fight us. We killed a few npc guards that aggroed us and I, in my bloodlust (!), killed an npc that was being 'protected' by a player from other mobs.

Some people thought that was griefing, others thought it was acceptable.

We are now finding that more and more raids are being conducted on enemy towns with npc's being killed and players being forced to either xp/quest elsewhere or defend their npc's.

Some people find this to be griefing, others think it is acceptable.

What do YOU think?

I've already heard the argument that if you want to do this stuff then people should move to a PvP server, but I think it's bogus -- after all the npc's being killed are all PvP flagged by Blizzard. Proving that it's "griefing", and thus a bannable offence, sounds extremely difficult to me.

Oh and no, I'm not interested in playing on a PvP server. Being hunted by groups when soloing in contested territory, corpse camped or graveyard camped (as happened to me many times in beta) is not my definition of fun!

 

[Archeon]

I don't consider it griefing, the quests say things like...

"Look fuckers, if I die you aren’t getting any money. So keep me alive while I move as slowly as I can along the path, don't bitch if I throw myself into danger. I'm the one with the money. IF I survive, and IF I’m in a good mood at the end of it I might give you your money. But not before I rape your mind with some slow scrolling text!

Accept?"

Not...

"I chipped a nail, can we go home? I think there might be a few spawn-points along the way so you'd better bring a handbag"

And as you already mentioned, if Blizzard wanted them to be PvP disabled they could have done it easily.

Sorry for the bluntness 'people who think otherwise' - but it's 9am and a Thursday, I’m obligated by UK law to be an insensitive asshole.

 

[Whisperess]

But not before I rape your mind with some slow scrolling text!

Ever considered QuestFade?

 

[Sendraks]

Its not griefing, be it on a PvP, regular or RP server. Part of the game is that your faction can wage war on the NPCS of the opposing faction and grind them into the earth be they guards, traders or quest givers. The best way to "protect" an NPC from being killed by an enemy is to attack them first and stop them doing it.

This said, I think the following could be considered grieifing.

A High lvl enemy, say 40+, he repeatedly kills the same low level quest NPC to stop a low level player from getting the quest. They do nothing else, they just camp near the NPC spawn point and repeatedly kill them just to stop the low level player from getting the quest.

A band of high level enemies wander into a low level questing area on a PvE or RP server and begin killing all the mobs. Not NPCs of the opposing faction, so they don't PvP enable, just the mobs, thus stopping low level players from killing them or completing quests. As there is realistically no way the opposing faction can preven this (as the enemy won't enable PvP) you'd need a GM to come along and stop them doing that.

 

[Danya]

I don't think it's griefing, it's part of the game. I had a horde player jump the quest NPC I was escorting the other day, I thought it really added some extra fun to the quest.

 

[Eemma]

Its lame... People that does it should consider getting a life cuz appearently they are bored to fuck.

 

[Archeon]

Ever considered QuestFade?

But then what would I have to whine about? Honestly some people should really think before they post

 

[Asha]

what's wrong with griefing? :x

 

[Danya]

what's wrong with griefing? :x

Mean asha.

 

[Draylor]

after all the npc's being killed are all PvP flagged by Blizzard.

Exactly: its been specifically allowed by Blizzard.

Problem here is that 'RP' servers mean different things to different people.

 

[SilverHood]

Christ man, it's war out there. The Alliance are waging war against the Horde.

Should you let that gaurd live so Harry the Hunter can hand in his 12 spider hearts for his quest? What rubbish!

If they can't defend their NPC's, then they should go elsewhere. It's not exactly hard to gather 10 people from the same zone and put up a fight.

I'd be slightly pissed off though, if it was a lowbie zone, where the average player couldn't defend the NPC's even if wanted to

 

[Danya]

Guards in the newbies zones are 55 though, which makes them a bit tougher to just kill.

 

[Acercerak]

I'd be slightly pissed off though, if it was a lowbie zone, where the average player couldn't defend the NPC's even if wanted to

And that's just what they tend to do most of the time...

 

[Jaapi]

Christ man, it's war out there.

Is it really?

 

[haarewin]

happens all the time on our server, just go elsewhere if they are too high to try and kill.

 

[Tsabo]

It's not greifing, it's greifing when you stand there and wait for the npc to repop and you repeatidly do it so the other person can't complete his/her quest.

Doing it once in the first place is just arseholeish.

 

[Bone_Idle]

I find it amusing that most of the Horde towns have a level55 guard or elite guard standing in them when most of my Aliiance towns have silly little level 20 guards in them.