News Greece - Time to cut them off?

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Raven, Feb 15, 2012.

  1. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Well, lets just not debate anything ever then, eh?
     
  2. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    This stopped being a debate some time ago once you turned it into another Scouse soapbox, which again results in the everyone having the same view at the end of the thread as they had at the start.
     
  3. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    No it doesn't. I have now been convinced that the world would have ended long ago if Greece didn't employ 30 people per passenger on its tube system. I been won over by words !
     
  4. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    You seem to think some internet debates end up with people changing their views Emb? What strange internets is this?! Got it's IP address? :)
     
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  5. Yrendan

    Yrendan Can't get enough of FH


    You believe that the 130 billion will go to greek citizens? rly?
     
  6. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    Well duh, I don't expect it to go in bank accounts, though there's a lot of theories to back up that as a good way out of debt.
    They owe that much just to keep the wolves from the door, so the total bill must be astronomical, but what have they being buying with it?
    If they had the worlds best free health service a massive military, or everyone owned a Ferrari, but they are flat broke and need 20 grand EACH , just to pay the minimum repayment on the country 'credit' card.
     
  7. rynnor

    rynnor Rockhound Moderator

    They had their equivalent of new labour in for a long time wrecking the place with a bloated public sector and increased spending on freeloaders - another 5-10 years of New Labour and we would have been in the same hole.

    Edit - oh and it paid for that international blight we call 'the olympics'.
     
  8. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Physically, their public sector is actually smaller per capita than the UK's under Labour. Their percentage of gdp spend is higher, but that's mainly servicing the 20% unemployed. Every European state sector is "bloated"; the difference is the tax take and the breadth of each economy; Greece is knackered on both counts.
     
  9. rynnor

    rynnor Rockhound Moderator

    Are you including state owned industries in that figure?
     
  10. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    No, but I'm not including UK ones either; like half the banking sector.
     
  11. mr.Blacky

    mr.Blacky Can't get enough of FH

    DaGaffer where did you get any numbers from? I have been looking but havent been able to find any numbers. Only one states between 700 and 800 thousand people are civil servants. That on a population of 11 is a rather large percentage.
    Main question still is what is considered a civil servant, I know from Holland that the definition did change over the years.
     
  12. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

  13. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

  14. cHodAX

    cHodAX I am a FH squatter

  15. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    50% youth unemployment. Harsh. The spaniards are being f00ked.

    Dirty fish robbers tho eh? We should turn them into slaves like us ;)
     
  16. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    I was reading somewhere that it could actually be worse than 50%, because lots of young people are "hiding" in the education system, putting off graduation for as long as possible. Kind of wonder how its got that bad tbh; I assume a massive baby boom in the 80s and 90s, and Spanish kids haven't mastered the art of fucking off abroad the way the Irish do.
     
  17. cHodAX

    cHodAX I am a FH squatter

    So they need to do more Tapas and less Tap'Ass? :D
     
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  18. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    Building too much shit that nobody wanted. simples
     
  19. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Yeah. That was all the yoof :)
     
  20. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    It has a knock on effect though. Natural redundancy coupled with companies not replacing staff for one thing. Where they are replacing staff they would rather employ someone with experience. The youth and the old are always the highest out of work.
     
  21. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Yes but 50% is extremely high
     
  22. Fweddy

    Fweddy FH is my second home

    From what I read a lot of young Spanish people were leaving school early to go into construction. Now nothing's being built they've all been made redundant and don't have any qualifications.
     
  23. Vasconcelos

    Vasconcelos Part of the furniture

    This.

    And this.
     
  24. BloodOmen

    BloodOmen I am a FH squatter

    Started selling kids in Greece now apparently its got that bad :/
     
  25. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    How much for a fat one?
     
  26. Bahumat

    Bahumat FH is my second home

    1 pot of hoummus
     
  27. ECA

    ECA I am a FH squatter

    Despite europe being in turmoil and trying to claw themselves up the cliff edge, america in a volatile election year, china having a state subsidised housing crash, rising oil prices and a global recession that still isn't over IT IS CLEARLY THOSE FUCKIN TORIES FAULT THE ECONOMY SHRUNK 0.2% THEY CUT TOO FAST TOO SOON!!!!111oneoneoeneoneoe.
     
  28. cHodAX

    cHodAX I am a FH squatter

  29. rynnor

    rynnor Rockhound Moderator

    The whole exercise of the greek bailout was merely to gain time to bolster the banks a bit before the inevitable - it was never sustainable and certainly wasnt done for the greeks.
     
  30. Punishment

    Punishment FH is my second home

    It's a global thing really, some countries were just more exposed than others.

    I don't get how the Greeks can suddenly be so massively in debt tbh, in Ireland it's understandable enough, banks were going to fail because of lax self governing/people being allowed to get loans as collateral to loans which invented imaginary money, the ECB didn't want to know EU didn't want to know so we had to pretty much write a blank check to bail them out (Stupid idea tbh, very stupid), but we are recovering now after 1 bailout and the Greeks are looking for a third, makes no fucking sense to me.
     

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