GRATZ albies !!!

[thaaadi]

that had nothing to do with bains , 4 heretics spamming ae stuff was more irritating

I'm sure it had something to do us with coming and killing you in 10 sec when albs didn't manage to do it in 15+ min, but the screen was a joke about bainshee whine if you read adril.... post.

 

[whitelights]

omg lol

:worthy: IT WAS JUST A GRATZ THING HERE , lol just get ur ass back in the game if u'r a true Mid if not stay away so we can do something decent without being betrayed by some X realmers.
And fill my BG with 80 active instead of 50 with only 20 active , maybe that will give the fun to siege back ?
Still gratz to albs on keeping defence at nott and taking relics , HIBBYS lol all they can do is leech from siege fights where all enemys are already interupted or down power / hp arround 50 %.
So stop it all about AC / op classes or anything but try to give it a fair fight plzz .
Hope to cu there.:worthy:

 

[Foo]

Insert More Random Whine Here

Insert More And More Random Whine Here

Insert More More More More and More Random Whine Here

have a drink and go watch football imo

 

[Azathrim]

have a drink and go watch football imo

Perhaps if the only thing you can contribute with is a random flame, then it might be better if you just shut up?

Either have the guts to argue the points Charmangle brings up, or hold your trap closed.

 

[Foo]

Insert even more whine here pls ..

Here have one on me.

 

[Azathrim]

Here have one on me.

/yawn

 

[Foo]

/yawn

Time for bed then ?

So you can get up early and AC the relics back?

 

[Azathrim]

Time for bed then ?

So you can get up early and AC the relics back?

Nah, I prefer not to do that. I am sure other mids will though.

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

Sad

 

[GrIrcSpammer]

I hope Magons grp will win their first fg vs fg now atleast ;o

HAHAHAHA XD

 

[Puppet]

Perhaps if the only thing you can contribute with is a random flame, then it might be better if you just shut up?

Either have the guts to argue the points Charmangle brings up, or hold your trap closed.

Who are you suddenly thinking ur an authority on what belongs in this topic or not? Or being an authority on anything rlly O

If you look at Charmangle last post it becomes quite obvious he's more biased towards the game then me. Which is quite astonishing. But not only that, he's misinformed about various things he 'claims' to be facts and contradicting himselves over a few postings in 1 topic.

Shall we take a look?

Eh...what ae damage do we have and which class has that long range ae damage ? Are you calling 1500 long range ? Thats not usable when facing 1900 range ae messes and 1700 damage bolts not to menation perma nearsighted.

'Perma nearsighted' is obviously a mood point. From taking a previous quote from him

in a serg it doesnt matter if its 20% or 50% ns the important thing is that you remove maxrange reach, so you reach them first...a 5% ns is enough for a firewizz to tip the scale, because they have the longest range and highest damage.

a) Runemasters have a longer Nearsight-range (2300 range) then a Firewizard does. Therefore we can conclude a Runemaster will land the Nearsight first, to tip the scale

b) Thanes have 1600 range on their AE Direct Damage spells, compared to 1500 range spells.

c) Thanes have 1700 range on their Single Target Direct Damage spells, compared to 1500 range on the other realms their DD spells.

To be completly honest with you, I didnt know that their nearsight was shorter range than standard nearsight. With that said, it does little difference in zerg. Mainly because they reach the high ranges anyway since everything in mid but that nearsight is shorter or equal range. Also they already have 1 ns class so now we are facing the double amount of nearsights from albs).

Compare that to:

a 5% ns is enough for a firewizz to tip the scale

. So 5% is enough to tip the scale, but 15% more range when he reads Runemasters have better range, is totally irrelevant.. mmkay

Thing here is that a firewiz throws nearsight, then double bolt you and if he is decent rr he will hit you for about 1700+ damage effectivly instakilling you when you are solo as a caster. And even if he is low rr and you survive the bolts you have to go hide in a tower for 2 minutes. Only to get out and either be ae messed out of range or get a new nearsight again or get boltkilled.

Dunno how that firewiz is gonna double-bolt you when we just concluded that Runemasters have more range (15% more!). Not to forget a Runemaster can have potential 10 more DEX then a Wizard, casting first, if both are equally skilled in targetting and such in a zerg-situation.

Runecarvers have low bolt damage even at high rr. A strange thing is that when I ask for firewizzes to get reduced bolt damage to equal RM carvers albs dont think thats reasonable. Why ? Rms have that damage why shouldnt firewizzes ?

Speculation obviously. RM has 239 Delve Base-bolt, and 317 Delve Spec-bolt (@ 47 spec). Wizard has 239 Delve Base-bolt, and 331 Delve Spec-bolt (@ 50 spec).

Minor difference in delves, both have an advantage (RM dont need to spec to 50 to obtain it, wizards get slightly higher spec). Runemasters have argueably the best damage-type on their bolts: Bolts share the armour-tables from legendary weapons, and informed people know that heat only gets a 5% (!) bonus on Leather, but a penalty on studded, chain and plate. Energy on the other hand tips neutral on neutral, but a 5% bonus on studded, chain and plate. Mood point, but still there !

Debuff nukers are okay, but vs casters they loose out on one damage spell and since most casters today 3 shot other casters without debuff (except for debuff nukers ofc since they are always specced in the wrong line) it doesnt give them any edge in zerg. (same with chanters but they buy themselves the nuke time with their baseline stun and I promise you the difference is HUUUUGE. Try it sometime

The last point is obviously the truth. Its hard estimating the advantage and disadvantage of debuff-nuking in zerg-fights. Suppose there's a slight advantage for wizzies nowadays with the debuff-component on their fire-nuke.

Also normally Runecarvers spec for nearsight so they spec suppression. It increases the variance on the nuke but give you the edge of nearsight. (which is actually the only thing that makes them viable at all)

Very doubtful. Im too lazy to look up Zebolt his comments on RM-specs, but common sense would tell me u either go ''full' Dark for the spec DD219, and Supression for the nearsight OR 'full' RC for the debuff, and rest Dark for reducing baseline-variance. Some might go for RC, get 1st NS and rest Dark, but that seems less viable to me. Could theoretically go tri-spec, like a caba, but doubt thats less common, and not rlly needed in a typical Mid-setup.

I can only agree with you mate. Ofc we all remember the fun fun fun times of the savage (NOT). And the rediculous zerg times of the warlocks. But the difference is that Albs and Hibs have since NF had classes that could qual that out in siege atleast. Atm mids really has nothing left that can stand up vs Albs and Hibs in siege. Shrooms kill off midzergs (combined with other classes. Hmm...thinking of getting my 3:d animist upp too you can never have to many animists!, Monsterress, longrage ae mess, rediculous scouts and ns spamming "instakilling" firewizzes kill off midzergs. What do mids have to counter that ? Runemasters with ae damage 1500 range ? Dark sms with ae mess 1500 range ? 1500 range ae stun that brings on the spamage of tendrils or just zips out into the sand ? Bonedancers with single lifetap every 4 seconds at 1500 range ? None of those make any difference what so ever vs the tools of albs and hibs in siege atm.

Obviously very lob-sided point of view: Typical damage goes up to 1500 range, spamming mezz from bolt-range doesnt kill anything, neither does (in zergfights) waiting 20 secs for bolts to recharge. In either way, both will try to push towards 1500 range to be able to DD.

Ofcourse, Thanes have 1600 range AE-DD and 1700 single target range. Warlocks typically have a 2250 range primer nowadays aswell. And are very viable in a zerg-fest.

Hmm...im guessing you played your stealther when albs had Irvr in hib recently ? Well I didnt I played chanter, and the only thing you heared 90% of the hibs complaining about was beeing messed 75% of the time. And they still have shrooms and baseline stun to counter some of those messes out. In a zerg the immunity timer on mess is just rediculous to none.

Ofcourse Hibs and Mids dont have any long-duration mezz, thats an unique feature to Albs now ? In a zergfest, most mezzes are broken quite fast by the AE flying around.

Hmm...to be honest I have no idea how warlocks work except what I see in the frontier. Since I havent played one passed lvl 35. But I dont understand how you can know how they work when I who play mid dont ? Unless you have tried one out ?

Just because somehow ur unable to understand basic game principles doesnt mean nobody can. Snare (with frog shapeshift) is known to remove Zombie-mode from a Monster, which removes the absorb from him. Easy kill then

 

[Congax]

I think Puppet just won the Internet :<

 

[Azathrim]

Who are you suddenly thinking ur an authority on what belongs in this topic or not? Or being an authority on anything rlly

Don't bother try to bring me into this particular discussion Puppet. If you cannot see the Foo didn't just randomly flame you are very blind. You and Charmangle at least debated each others points.

And for your information, I actually follow what I belive regarding realm balance and Mythic/GoA's willingness to address it. Hence, I am inactive on Midgard currently - except for the rare "get out and have fun with a few friends evenings. Perhaps I'll be active again there one day when Mythic wakes up.

If you belive Midgard is so powerful as you claim, perhaps you should try and roll a toon there. Oh no, nevermind, I have suggested that to you before and you have never dared.

 

[Puppet]

Don't bother try to bring me into this particular discussion Puppet. If you cannot see the Foo didn't just randomly flame you are very blind. You and Charmangle at least debated each others points.

And for your information, I actually follow what I belive regarding realm balance and Mythic/GoA's willingness to address it. Hence, I am inactive on Midgard currently - except for the rare "get out and have fun with a few friends evenings. Perhaps I'll be active again there one day when Mythic wakes up.

If you belive Midgard is so powerful as you claim, perhaps you should try and roll a toon there. Oh no, nevermind, I have suggested that to you before and you have never dared.

Randomly flaming, well, how would you call ur random flames towards me in the other topic 'The hypocrit' etc.. Random flaming FTW aswell.

Whether or not I ''dare" to roll Midgard is quite irrelevant. Unfortunaly, I got chars on cluster on Hib and Alb, and unable to roll Midgard on the cluster. Classic was fun for a month on Albion, got bored, tried rolling Mid (on BB account), got a level 50, played abit, but in the end the server was too boring.

So all in all its not a matter of not daring, its more of a matter of not being able to. And you have to be incredibly shortsighted to think it takes guts to roll a realm in general. And if there's any realm who was 'hard mode' ... well lets just say it wasnt Midgard xD

 

[Azathrim]

Randomly flaming, well, how would you call ur random flames towards me in the other topic 'The hypocrit' etc.. Random flaming FTW aswell.

Huh? You made a typical hypocritical statement and get upset when called out on it? Now, c'mon you can do better.

Whether or not I ''dare" to roll Midgard is quite irrelevant. Unfortunaly, I got chars on cluster on Hib and Alb, and unable to roll Midgard on the cluster. Classic was fun for a month on Albion, got bored, tried rolling Mid (on BB account), got a level 50, played abit, but in the end the server was too boring.

So all in all its not a matter of not daring, its more of a matter of not being able to. And you have to be incredibly shortsighted to think it takes guts to roll a realm in general. And if there's any realm who was 'hard mode' ... well lets just say it wasnt Midgard xD

Call it what you want. You never cease to stop blaming the one realm you do not play. Your very last line in the above quote is the typical example of how you do this (because, you would never just be plainly trolling, right?).

You say it's not because you don't dare it, but what is it then? You cannot afford the bills?

 

[Corran]

Huh? You made a typical hypocritical statement and get upset when called out on it? Now, c'mon you can do better.



Call it what you want. You never cease to stop blaming the one realm you do not play. Your very last line in the above quote is the typical example of how you do this (because, you would never just be plainly trolling, right?).

You say it's not because you don't dare it, but what is it then? You cannot afford the bills?

Could be he doesnt want to spend more money on a 3rd account just to prove some whiners wrong? Give puppet an account to use for a month with a toa'd toon that is being discussed and lets see the difference between his ability and all the MrRandomWhiners that are about.

And before you say anything, I dont particularly get on with Puppet most the time but least he does generally know about the game and its mechanics and even other realms abilities in a factual nature not a "omg i died, you wanker. You only whine because we get nerfed and you are overpowered and dont"

 

[Shike]

Could be he doesnt want to spend more money on a 3rd account just to prove some whiners wrong? Give puppet an account to use for a month with a toa'd toon that is being discussed and lets see the difference between his ability and all the MrRandomWhiners that are about.

And before you say anything, I dont particularly get on with Puppet most the time but least he does generally know about the game and its mechanics and even other realms abilities in a factual nature not a "omg i died, you wanker. You only whine because we get nerfed and you are overpowered and dont"

lies! U and Pupp are secret lovers, he told me!

All in all, realms are different, all realms have silly fucking shite things in it that should be removed asap for the good of the game but it doesnt happen. PHN on mids LOL, Bains taunt is fucked up, SMs and also BDs as a whole are fucked up, albs mages are also pretty damn fucked up and also baselinestun in hibb is a tad funny. Claiming one thing is worse than the other however is completely ridicilous and serves no purpose whatsoever, in the ideal balance such things would not exist, its just not enough people that send in feedback about what they really think is wrong with the game. If 10000 people send in, WE DEMAND THAT SMpets get fixed now because it is unbalanced (written alittle better ofc so that it makes more sense). Mythic would actually listen, if same people sent in same feedback every single day, for a month, we would probably see a change pretty fast, dont you guys think so?

Sitting here, voicing alot of silly whine over this topic is just silly and lead nowhere. Send in proper logical feedback about what YOU think is wrong instead, that might actually lead somewhere at least.

 

[xGenocidex]

Easy mode alb strikes again with those theurgs and monster resses to take keeps zzz

 

[gwal]

Ofc all realms whine, difference is the amount of albion players. Also, albion whines even when they have all the goodies. Another thing is that when I whine usually have (atleast in my opinion) a decent alternative. For example I do think wizzes should have a boost and a nerf. They should never have gotten nearsight. That will only make them more of a zerg class and still leave them out in the cold when it comes to group play. They should have removed speed from sorcs, given to wizz, reduced bolt damage to same as RM, and reduced sorc mess to 1500, and given an insta bolt range mess to firewizz (with same timer as all other realms ofc). For example. That would have made wizzes important in groups and not only zerglings.


Even though you dont know it, you just proved my point here. Why do you think they jumped ship ? Because they got to powerful and horribly OP or because they got nerfed to death? (and I do agree that warlocks = firewizzes as they were before patch. A pointless longrange instakill class with no spot in any group)

They jumped ship because they got nerfed into nothingness, so now mids are left with: crap warlock, and crap valkyrie. While Albs got: Horribly OP Heretic + rediculous wizzes + the OP classes of old. And hibs got: Great Vampire and Great Banshee.

8vs8 alb caster groups are the best atm. But I do agree its pretty close (even though most hibs and mids dont agree with me).


/Charmangle

1: congratz, u just made albs the only realm that has to rely on 2 classes to do CC
wicked alternative......

that said, wizards do have somewhat a misplaced spot in daoc. run 1 caster its sorc, 2 its sorc/theurg or sorc/cabby, 3 its sorc/cabby/theurg, u rly need to be at 4 or more casters to be able to include a wiz effectivly compared to other choices, and even then it will often be prefered to take another sorc, theurg, or cabby

2: mids have been so OP during ages through the time of camelot, other realms didnt jump ship (zerk, savage). not to mention that valkyn aint that bad, and heretic aint that huge a frekkin deal as ppl make it out to be (figure it out urselves).
vampiir gets used by, lets see... 0 rvr dedicated grps? yeah, it surely must be the silly ubah.

3: alb caster grps arent the best, it might be the best the albs can come up with, but no way its the best across realms, stop living in the past and create what can beat it (what alb caster grp would stand an inch of a chance vs smth like zerk zerk valkyn bd warrior).

 

[Azathrim]

vampiir gets used by, lets see... 0 rvr dedicated grps? yeah, it surely must be the silly ubah.

Valkyrie gets used by, lets see... 0 rvr dedicated grps? yeah, it sure must be the silly ubah.

/shrug

 

[gwal]

Valkyrie gets used by, lets see... 0 rvr dedicated grps? yeah, it sure must be the silly ubah.

/shrug

never said anything of the like?

/shrug

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Lets hope to god mids decide to actually take their keeps back now..

IRVR sucks in Mid, if this is what was needed to get rid of it then gratz to all!

and the reason for mids to take back nottmore is what?

you have already taken away the only reason for mids to bother about rvr

 

[xxManiacxx]

don´t diss valkyries

 

[xxManiacxx]

and the reason for mids to take back nottmore is what?

you have already taken away the only reason for mids to bother about rvr

or mids could retake the keep and the relics instead of whining about it?

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

or mids could retake the keep and the relics instead of whining about it?

and we have also been able to put up competative numbers againt the albs.

 

[pip]

Cross realm fook me board what shall i play alb/hib?

 

[Plik]

or mids could retake the keep and the relics instead of whining about it?

it's all about love

 

[fettoken]

Still got that feeling like something is missing, like two more relics in hibernia for example *hint hint*

 

[pip]

1hr is not long enough to switch realms they should make it like 3 days imo

 

[pip]

or mids could retake the keep and the relics instead of whining about it?

Get out of the sun get online we have tryed