Grapple = Absolute BS

[Xaldrick]

if you think that alb/hibb is so weak you should really train more, or perhaps go play something even easier than daoc.


no point to even discuss with rp cows like you

Look, everybody knows that at equal skill lvl mid > alb/hib ... if you're denying that then /laugh

rp cows...me ? ahahahahaha

 

[rvn]

no, but that a skilled alb or hibb grp wont have (ie they have equal chance to win) problems vs a midd grp with RAs up, but you wouldnt know this since you lack experience

 

[Xaldrick]

yes, Ive almost achieved rr6 on the most hated class in my realm and I lack experience.

Sorry misterl337fotmboi

 

[Xaldrick]

What really amuses me is this whole "problem". In the past years casters have faced one nerf after the other - hybrids sharing this curse since they are partially casters. Then toa brings the first real tank counter - a tank-to-tank ability and guess what, hybrids have for the very first time an ADVANTAGE over pure tanks, and as soon as this happens theres crying.

/ponder

 

[katt!]

What really amuses me is this whole "problem". In the past years casters have faced one nerf after the other - hybrids sharing this curse since they are partially casters. Then toa brings the first real tank counter - a tank-to-tank ability and guess what, hybrids have for the very first time an ADVANTAGE over pure tanks, and as soon as this happens theres crying.

/ponder

its not an advantage.. its an I WIN button, way way more than savages ever was I WIN.

 

[Xaldrick]

its not an advantage.. its an I WIN button, way way more than savages ever was I WIN.

In 1on1 yes
In groupfights no

wish ppl would read previous replies before they post

 

[Skyrie]

Ahaha

Too fucking bad my VW never got to experience that.

The last thing he experienced was a 1200 damage mainhand hit from a... hmm yeah, a berserker. Any retard could spam those styles. 2shot me back then, hilarious.

I hope you get OMFGWTFAMAGAAAADPWNEDFORTEHROXX some more. Valewalkers deserve it.

 

[Puppet]

druid with 2k hps, would be possible to 2shot after nerf, especially now with toa where zerkers use 4.1/4.1 spd weap. (this is w/o going frontload)

Must be extremely lucky on the Frenzy-crits to break me in 2 hits tbh. But perhaps he can, only prooves the point Zerks should stop whining about how crappy they are and how much LA dmg they need back.

Anyhow, besides the point:In theory Zzang can get Harpy Feather Cloak and get the Disarm-proc. In theory Zzang could fight someone who cant hit back because he's Disarmed.

Same effect, stop whining.

 

[katt!]

Must be extremely lucky on the Frenzy-crits to break me in 2 hits tbh. But perhaps he can, only prooves the point Zerks should stop whining about how crappy they are and how much LA dmg they need back.

Anyhow, besides the point:In theory Zzang can get Harpy Feather Cloak and get the Disarm-proc. In theory Zzang could fight someone who cant hit back because he's Disarmed.

Same effect, stop whining.

in theory you are fucking stupid if you compare a chance to proc a 6s-affected-by-resists "disarm", to a 10s chainable, non resistable, ranged, anti-tank CC.

 

[katt!]

In 1on1 yes
In groupfights no

wish ppl would read previous replies before they post

or in groupfights where one side has more battlemasters than the other.

 

[Kathal]

Is there a break soon?
I need to pee and Im out of popcorn.

 

[Belomar]

Hope some VW tries this on me.

 

[Xaldrick]

or in groupfights where one side has more battlemasters than the other.

...

As a reply to the original thread, why dont you just insta mezz/root/stun/disease/snare/[insert other way of disabling/interrupting) him ?
Valewalkers are hybrids and do not have access to CC immunity

What we're dealing with is a baseline 164 dmg non-debuffed nuke - if the 1xx dmg hits you too hard have your support fire away their insta-artillery or spam amnesia om them.

Jesus...

 

[Vasconcelos]

or in groupfights where one side has more battlemasters than the other.

Was about to say it

Specially if the battlemasters are labelled as defensive tanks who can perform their role while grappled, read wardens&hero (confesing im a bit worried about this combo), palys or warriors.

 

[rvn]

Must be extremely lucky on the Frenzy-crits to break me in 2 hits tbh. But perhaps he can, only prooves the point Zerks should stop whining about how crappy they are and how much LA dmg they need back.

Anyhow, besides the point:In theory Zzang can get Harpy Feather Cloak and get the Disarm-proc. In theory Zzang could fight someone who cant hit back because he's Disarmed.

Same effect, stop whining.

#1, yes zerkers should stfu about whineing @ dmg, only gimped zerkers do that.
#2 disarm procc doesnt work this patch, it might be overpowred when they fix it in 1.69, i hope its not overpowred and that it gives stun immunity.

amazeing how you can "accept" things being "i WIN" just because zerkers WERE overpowered.

 

[rvn]

...




What we're dealing with is a baseline 164 dmg non-debuffed nuke - if the 1xx dmg hits you too hard have your support fire away their insta-artillery or spam amnesia om them.

Jesus...

164*3 = 492 cap

26% resists = 364 dmg

also add 20% from relics
and fire away insta's mid fight on a vw, nope sorry healers usually dont have that many instas.

You still fail to see that this is 1on1 just as much as it is fg vs fg, or zerg vs zerg, or fg vs zerg. (this ability however helps the "zerg", or the weaker players, since they can chain grapple till they get backup to zerg another, or simply chain grapple (wich is not purgeable either) while killing the enemy).



And your experience is very poor, wow rr6 in _one_ realm, come back when you have any experience from playing midd/hibb too.

 

[Novamir]

grapple is absolutely fucking brilliant and should never be taken from tanks ;p

but seriously tho.. what were mythic thinking giving tanks insta CC? ;p

 

[rvn]

grapple gets even more sick next time

 

[Filip]

i think grappel feels worse for mids... as an alb i have faced

I WIN: end regen ...
I WIN: chain stun/mezz ..
I WIN: Savages ..
I WIN: Pre LA nerf Zergers ..

i still remember clerics going down in 2 sec's when they got hit by 3 zerker assist trains...
later savages did that ...

daoc is a mmorpg .. dont expect fairness .. it is just another way to take your time....(btw could any1 imagine daoc be a disibline in E-Games?? nahhhh the game is geared towards powergamers and realms will never be really balanced)

so well ya .. grappel is overpowered atm ...

thats it ..

 

[rvn]

fg powergamers vs fg powergames, and the realms are balanced now with zerk/svg nerf (alltho svgs could use some more nerf )

 

[Zoia]

I just had my first experience with grapple.
Me and my bot got jumped by 3 albs. Killed my bot first(not what i'm whining about) then 1 grappled me while the other 2 killed me.
Great fun! uke:

I know i don't stand a chance against 3 melee chars of decent realm rank, but i would at least like to hit back once or twice

 

[Xaldrick]

164*3 = 492 cap

26% resists = 364 dmg

also add 20% from relics
and fire away insta's mid fight on a vw, nope sorry healers usually dont have that many instas.

You still fail to see that this is 1on1 just as much as it is fg vs fg, or zerg vs zerg, or fg vs zerg. (this ability however helps the "zerg", or the weaker players, since they can chain grapple till they get backup to zerg another, or simply chain grapple (wich is not purgeable either) while killing the enemy).



And your experience is very poor, wow rr6 in _one_ realm, come back when you have any experience from playing midd/hibb too.

/shrug

You're assuming valewalkers hit for cap everytime? The lifetap does mid-low 200 dmg, thats AFTER relic bonus.

What YOU fail to see is that RvR (read: REALM versus REALM) should NOT be centered around fights between 2 individual classes, least of all a duel between a valkewalker and a berserker since that is one of the rarest if not _the_ rarest clash you'll find.
Oh, and grapple isnt purgable - true, but neither is 3 quadhits of 2xx-3xx dmg every 2nd second which hasnt been and probbably never will be fixed.

And the comment about experience is pathetic. You accuse me of being inexperienced just because I didnt jump from one fotm to the other as soon as they got rebalanced? I got a gimped class, and guess why ? Because I coincidensly choiced the champion trainer over the hero or blademaster, but instead of whining and www.ebay.com, I faced the challenge.

So stfu and sort your facts out before you start to zealously flame people.

PS: Being a champion and "only" having one toon in one realm, Id say I have enough experience in "hibb". If you believe that you have to have played all realms with characters that other people have played to high realm ranks before you can justify wether or not a certain class/ability is overpowered, then I suggest you go back to #daoc.trade, find the first brehon ml4 valewalker you can get and see for yourself how "rediciously overpowered" a grappling valewalker is over past and present issues regarding mid classes.

 

[rvn]

fyi i havnt bought a char _ever_ have only borrowed at maximum, however i have played and exped several chars in both alb and hibb, while you are just lurking around in your own little champion world

 

[endineit]

/shrug

You're assuming valewalkers hit for cap everytime? The lifetap does mid-low 200 dmg, thats AFTER relic bonus.

What YOU fail to see is that RvR (read: REALM versus REALM) should NOT be centered around fights between 2 individual classes, least of all a duel between a valkewalker and a berserker since that is one of the rarest if not _the_ rarest clash you'll find.
Oh, and grapple isnt purgable - true, but neither is 3 quadhits of 2xx-3xx dmg every 2nd second which hasnt been and probbably never will be fixed.

And the comment about experience is pathetic. You accuse me of being inexperienced just because I didnt jump from one fotm to the other as soon as they got rebalanced? I got a gimped class, and guess why ? Because I coincidensly choiced the champion trainer over the hero or blademaster, but instead of whining and www.ebay.com, I faced the challenge.

So stfu and sort your facts out before you start to zealously flame people.

PS: Being a champion and "only" having one toon in one realm, Id say I have enough experience in "hibb". If you believe that you have to have played all realms with characters that other people have played to high realm ranks before you can justify wether or not a certain class/ability is overpowered, then I suggest you go back to #daoc.trade, find the first brehon ml4 valewalker you can get and see for yourself how "rediciously overpowered" a grappling valewalker is over past and present issues regarding mid classes.

random wajn.

 

[Tusk]

fg powergamers vs fg powergames, and the realms are balanced now with zerk/svg nerf (alltho svgs could use some more nerf )

Remove baseline demezz and ae lul from healers and put it in high pac, and get a higher timer on pbaoe disease on shammie then i would agree....

 

[Dorin]

I just had my first experience with grapple.
Me and my bot got jumped by 3 albs. Killed my bot first(not what i'm whining about) then 1 grappled me while the other 2 killed me.
Great fun! uke:

I know i don't stand a chance against 3 melee chars of decent realm rank, but i would at least like to hit back once or twice

thats the point of the whine rly. Playing daoc since beta: Been owned by water beetles and bandits, "oi hi der mistar ranger i iz shadowzerker, i spam u bah bahXDD, vendo 2 "shoted", debuff-stun nuked to pieces, been quad-triple-chain-owned, been dragonfanged, been kited "with lol lol i can DD you while SoS m8!!xD", zerged etc. Each of those sucked, but had some sort of a chance to fight back (oh yes and most these "abilites-bugs-things" got nerfed in one way or another, but that doesnt matter at all ^w^). While against grapple you cant do anything, oh and i beg somebody post link me the patch note where it says you cant chain-grapple the target (only found the you cant hit in melee and caster cant cast while grappled).

 

[Xaldrick]

fyi i havnt bought a char _ever_ have only borrowed at maximum, however i have played and exped several chars in both alb and hibb, while you are just lurking around in your own little champion world

Oh, so bashing mobs of a different shape in a different landscape gives rvr experience ? xD

random wajn.

I'll show you random wajn

VW + Grapple = i win

Grapple, nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke. effect wears off? WELL LETS JUST CHAIN AGAIN! nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke.

Maybe it is more classes that can do like this. i dont know, but it pisses me off.

Grapple must be the most FUCKING bullshit ability mythic ever came up with. all randoms noobs can use it, u cant purge and u cant attack. BUT u can cast spells... Where is the logic.

 

[Freppe]

Dont forget your own posts xaldrick, all includes whine. Heh

 

[Xaldrick]

May seem like whine, but I was trying to point out where there would be a reason to whine. Before this turned into a "IgotmoreARRPEESthanj00"-flamefest, I mentioned a way to counter this "issue" but naturally nobody cared/listened

 

[endineit]

Remove baseline demezz and ae lul from healers and put it in high pac, and get a higher timer on pbaoe disease on shammie then i would agree....

remove pets from druids aye.root is more than enough.. :kissit: