Goon Swarm versus Boob in the south

[Sharkith]

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Update on the southern campaign.

Region - Omist
System - R2TJ-1
Sovereignty - Goonswarm 3
Importance - Jumpbridge transit point
Map Reference

Apparently some time ago ROL dropped several towers in that system trying to perform a hostile takeover. Two towers were killed by Goonswarm and UNL forces a couple of days ago without resistance. Today a few more were coming out of reinforced. In the beginning there were about 150 Goonswarm\Zenith Affinity present in the system with around 20 carriers and 2 titans. AAA with ROL also had 150 strong subcap fleet. However they managed to enter the system using a walk around way (I suspect titan bridge to LQ-AHE, but could be wrong). They got into R2TJ-1 without any resistance, which could have hurt Goon morale somewhat, letting AAA\ROL establish control over the system.

The main ops goal for AAA\ROL was to save POSes coming out of reinforced mode. That was done without any attempts from Goonswarm to interfere. During the next hour Goonswarm called reinforcements from UNL and Legion of xxDeathxx. AAA called on Stain Empire.

GS\ZA\UNL\xxDeathxx started to create a plan for a breakthrough. They tried to time a jump in by UNL\xxDeathxx, supported by a simultaneous warp in by GS\ZA. When the plan went into motion local spiked to 500, of which 240 were from AAA\ROL\SE, already in position. Both incoming UNL\xxDeathxx fleet and GS arriving fleet ended up being bubbled on the gate.

Then there was a short brutal battle, which resulted in a crushing defeat of GS allied forces. Killboard Link Goonswarm fleet retreated from the gate in a hurry as soon as the warp disrupt probes wore off, leaving UNL and xxDeathxx to their own devices. Some of them managed to jump back through, some didn't. A few more were killed on the other side of the gate by -A-\ROL\SE pursuers.

Two goon titans that were present in this cynojammed system, located many jumps from the closest AAA base point, were not used for unknown reasons.

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Region - Catch
System - HED-GP
Sovereignty - AAA 3
Importance - Jumpbridge point, entry to 0.0
Map Reference

KIA Alliance attacked HED-GP disabling several jumpbridges as an avant guarde of the NC involvement in the conflict. I believe KIA declared war on AAA. It is no secret to anyone that the North Coalition plans to assist Goonswarm right at the start of the new year. Some sources say that the operation was planned to start January 2nd and the original goal was to hit AAA in the Catch Region. Intresting times are ahead of us.

Any other Info on this ?

 

[popa]

TCF need to get some stuff out or NC is helping goons

 

[taB]

Well, the goons and Pandemic managed to kill another Bob titan which always makes nice stories.

Related to that, I was having a look at the known titans thread and it looks like there's more than 100 of the fuckers now. Incredible.

Titan Thread on CAOD

 

[Sharkith]

I notice from SHC that Pandemic would have lost a titan if they had not exploited the edge of grid mechanics. They talk about it like it is normal game play when all they are doing in fountain is lameness at its extreme.

Its why I finally packed it in in eve - PvP is full of lame game play these days. Its got really really bad so I am moving into PvE for the foreseeable and cutting subs on one account.

Finding lower tiers in war good fun at the moment.

 

[Ctuchik]

whats edge of grid mechanics?

 

[taB]

Each system is made up of grids - afaik there are conflicting reports about how the size is calculated. Some are 200k across, some are more like 500k (values may be completely wrong). If you're not on the grid you won't see the stuff there.

Thus by knowing exactly where the edge of a grid is and positioning yourself near it, you can get away from other ships if you get into the shit.

That's the idea I think anyways.

 

[Ctuchik]

uum ok, but cant you just follow him past the grid border then?

 

[taB]

uum ok, but cant you just follow him past the grid border then?

Yeah but if its a sniper fleet or a cap ship that can then jump immediately it could be a problem.

 

[popa]

i am not 100% sure about this because i dint played eve in this time
the grid is at 192 AU max from any in space object that was made in 2005/2006
but the problem come that player have bookmark in safesports at a bigger distance but all this book should be moved by CCP to 192 AU i dont know if CCP failed to move them
on RA vs LV war, LV have find on grid edge many cans and POS modules

 

[Sharkith]

Strictly speaking popa I think you are right that each system is 192 au across. In some cases people had bookmarks outside of that distance. However, each object in each system has a 'grid' and Tab is right if you know where the edge of the grid is you can effectively hop off grid and warp. What happens is that your ship effectively disappears off the overview and with a super capital ship like a Titan you can jump and escape - and this is precisely what Pandemic Legion did. Its lame.

As far as I can see its the sort of lame gameplay you often see in Eve. The minority in the game reply by saying 'this is eve and anything goes'. But at the end of the day its exactly the sort of meta gaming that Boob was famous for. The people fighting them are as bad as Boob - I see very little difference in all of them. Just try playing against people who are as lame as you can possibly get. It makes for a poor game especially when it can so easily be abused and used in the way it is used.

I seen enough of my last foray into 0.0 to feel that I honestly don't want anything to do with that kind of game. I still have one account open but thats strictly carebear only.

Shark

 

[LordjOX]

A system consists of several grid "blocks" though. I remember in a system in drone regions with station there was one grid edge only 200km from gate. Perfect spot for titan or capital blob to escape to and jump away.

There's alot of tricks in eve using game mechanics like that for fleet fights.

For my part, EVE consumes to much time doing anything. Is why I don't play anymore. Go out on pvp hunt or fleet fight? Reserve an entire evening or night and maybe not see any action.

 

[Sharkith]

For my part, EVE consumes to much time doing anything. Is why I don't play anymore. Go out on pvp hunt or fleet fight? Reserve an entire evening or night and maybe not see any action.

Or get double DD'ed on the way home by two kids in their titans?

If people do not want to fight they do not have to and so the game has managed to breed some of the worst habits I have ever seen in a PvP game. I have seen some god awful gameplay over the last year and a half to know that PvP wise it can really suck.

Try fighting an alliance like G.I.S who will only engage you if they have twice your numbers and in their numbers at least half the number of falcons that you have ships just to tip the odds even more in their favour. I can tell you I have seen some awful shit in the game in a relatively short time.

 

[Ctuchik]

Yeah but if its a sniper fleet or a cap ship that can then jump immediately it could be a problem.

well ok, but if its a sniper fleet then it wouldn't matter would it? remember seing a video of a tital going down that had lots of smaller ships bumping in to it so it couldn't align. a sniper fleet cant even prevent that so then its just a matter of aligning and jumping out.

and as u cant warp jam titans a blob doesent work either.

 

[LordjOX]

Yup, too many mechanics to avoid combat altogether. Sitting in station or safely behind POS shields. In addition, there's too much hassle finding a fight. Probably why the average pvper run away if the opposition is not a solo ratter in a BS. Maintaining an ISK flow when you want to PvP is also an aspect of it.

Consider the time taken to fork out the 150mill ISK to buy and pvp fit a BS.

 

[rynnor]

Related to that, I was having a look at the known titans thread and it looks like there's more than 100 of the fuckers now. Incredible.

Mining macroers en masse plus all the alliances making cash from the POS reactions bug - thats a lot of free money coming into the system.

The prices of Titans are way down now too - only around 30billion!

Wouldnt surprise me if theres more than 200 lurking around...

 

[taB]

13 AAA Titans in one system last night. Crazy.

 

[popa]

going back to grid exploit and stuff
i heard next thing :S
the drone exploit
1) have bookmarks @ the grid
2) place sentry drone on grid whit assist on X person
3) warp at 200 km from drones and out of grid and you dont lose the drone control
i repeat this is just a rumour i cant confirm this

 

[LordjOX]

Haha.
Drones, dictors and ceptors with webs = BBQ.

Minimal casuality on gatecamp.

 

[Sharkith]

Anyone got a new up to date map on this?

 

[popa]

Anyone got a new up to date map on this?

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

imo goons will lose soon one sov4 system

 

[Ctuchik]

13 AAA Titans in one system last night. Crazy.

no surprise concidering that AAA use RA as mining slaves.

 

[Poag]

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

imo goons will lose soon one sov4 system

I believe it ticked voer this morning.

Yup DG- was lost to BoB..although Goonies maintain a tower supremacy so it will flip back again once they start claiming sov again after the glorius 'spy' disabled sov on the towers.

Unfortuantly this has the knock on effects of breaking sov4 down to sov3, but going by the fact they had to burn a highly placed spy to get DG- i dont think this is going to be much of a problem in the long run :>

 

[Sharkith]

What happened Trium's latest invasion? I don't see them on the map.

 

[Ctuchik]

but going by the fact they had to burn a highly placed spy to get DG- i dont think this is going to be much of a problem in the long run :>

and who are "they"? BoB or Goons?

 

[Poag]

and who are "they"? BoB or Goons?

Sorry missed this...

They are AAA. They had a director level spy in Goons for some period of time...many believe it was a short time and they just bought the person out...others say tehy have been a spy for ages. Anyway, they had access to a pos management account that was dead/expired and thus not in use. They resubbed the account...flew the character to DG- and unclaimed sov.

This person was one of the Capital Directors too, which also explains why recently there were a high number of goon botched hotdrops and alot of amazing AAA counter hotdrops.

 

[Ctuchik]

ah, time for a new massban of director accounts then or maybe it was just KOS that werent allowed to have shared accounts

 

[Sharkith]

Well they are saying it was a bought character - one way of avoiding the mass ban stick ;p

 

[taB]

KIATolon (Suas' character) has stolen an Erebus titan and is logged off in B-6 with it unfitted .

Humungous thread on kugutsumen about it.

 

[Poag]

KIATolon (Suas' character) has stolen an Erebus titan and is logged off in B-6 with it unfitted .

Humourous thread on kugutsumen about it.

Fixed ^^

Its quite a funny situation, its written int eh linked thread that alot of goons dont think SUAS is going 'Fuckgoons' more 'fuckdirectorate' who have been raining on his parade...or the parade he setup..specops.

 

[taB]

ROFL