Politics General Election 2017

[Shagrat]

Labour should have won against May's 'open goal', says MP

it really does seem like the only thing stopping Labour, is Labour itself.

cant they see that the electorate really does like the honest, different approach that Corbyn has brought to the table and we don't want a return to the tory-lite shit that Blair brought.

I'd vote for someone like the Greens or the Lib Dems who both had good policies if I thought they had the remotest chance of getting in under our current electoral system, but as it is Corbyn and Labour are at least offering something different at the moment.

 

[Talivar]

Yep its ironic how many Labour Mps and voters seem to think its Corbyn that is holding Labour back when it actually looks like it is them not supporting Corbyn fully that is holding things back.

 

[caLLous]

 

[Scouse]

Labour should have won against May's 'open goal', says MP

Guy who hates Corbyn loses job and is bitter.

I get his "we didn't win" stance and he's right about that. But he's also partly culpable. - If Corbyn had had the backing of the parliamentary labour party - like a democratically elected leader should have - rather than a gaggle of infighting antidemocratic faux-tories trying to stab him - openly and in full view of all - then perhaps Corbyn's massive uphill battle wouldn't have left them at such a weakened starting position.

Cunts like this one needed to back their leader - or at the very least keep their gobs shut in public - rather than spend all their time and effort making it harder to get him elected.

As it is Corbyn A) got elected, against the odds, B) beat the PLP to get re-elected after a disgraceful internal party showing, C) weathered the knives of the media and his own back and front-bench scuppering, D) transformed the Labour party from tory-lite to a more socialist alternative, and E) increased their share of the vote during a snap general election which was called out of step with fixed term parliaments by a Tory party with a massive lead and a desire to do so much damage to the Labour Party that they'd end up as electable as the Liberal Democrats.

In that context Labour under Corbyn have done amazingly well - and the reason they haven't done better is because of cumts like this one who couldn't bring themselves to back their democratically elected leader.

 

[BloodOmen]

Such a terrorist sympathiser! - bet the papers don't give her the same stick over it as they gave Corbyn though.

 

[BloodOmen]

OHHHHHH

"Sinn Fein are apparently seeking legal action against DUP Coalition."

Trying to find a source!

 

[BloodOmen]

Meh can't find a source I almost came.

They do have a legal right though according to the good friday agreement.

 

[Scouse]

 

[BloodOmen]

This is what the good friday agreement says

 

[BloodOmen]

Jeremy Corbyn is playing the long game – if history is indeed repeating itself, he will be the Prime Minister

Thoughts?

 

[Job]

He doesnt have a plan, the entire thing is him just reacting on gut instinct...be hasnt actually done anything amazing yet apart from being on the front of a buzz and not losing as badly as expected.

 

[Raven]

Asides from facing rebellion within his own party, twice, from the Tory Lite brigade. And having a group of MPs that literally did fuck all as far as canvassing goes.

We now have a proper socialist opposition, which we have desperately needed for 10 years or so.

You need to understand (probably beyond you) that a party in power absolutely needs an effective opposition or they go full retard, just like the Tories have done in the last 10 years.

And for bonus points, Blair has fucked off, as has Mandelson, it wasn't quite the ritual suicide that I would have preferred but a proverbial custard pie in the face will do...for now.

 

[Embattle]

Other than being able to actually pay for what he wanted to offer, or even having people who can actually calculate it, I'm sure his policies are incredibly popular with like minded people.

 

[Scouse]

Other than being able to actually pay for what he wanted to offer, or even having people who can actually calculate it, I'm sure his policies are incredibly popular with like minded people.

At least Labour went to the trouble of having their manifesto independently costed. They have to do that because of their perception. The Tories didn't even bother - but then they were never going to stick to their manifesto pledges anyway so why the fuck would they?

 

[Job]

Asides from facing rebellion within his own party, twice, from the Tory Lite brigade. And having a group of MPs that literally did fuck all as far as canvassing goes.

We now have a proper socialist opposition, which we have desperately needed for 10 years or so.

You need to understand (probably beyond you) that a party in power absolutely needs an effective opposition or they go full retard, just like the Tories have done in the last 10 years.

And for bonus points, Blair has fucked off, as has Mandelson, it wasn't quite the ritual suicide that I would have preferred but a proverbial custard pie in the face will do...for now.

Giving it to Blair is the best bit, but he is the accidental hero..he really is our Forrest Gump.
Labour will head to head against Con if they put singing gerbils up as leaders, they are the incumbent parties, the euphoria still is that he didn't do really badly.
I dont know how else it can be spun.

 

[Job]

At least Labour went to the trouble of having their manifesto independently costed. They have to do that because of their perception. The Tories didn't even bother - but then they were never going to stick to their manifesto pledges anyway so why the fuck would they?

No one follows manifesto pledges, and Corbyn wouldnt have either...people voting on the basis of free money pledges are cretins.

 

[BloodOmen]

Deal has been reached...... have a read

Election 2017: DUP agrees 'confidence' deal with Tories - BBC News

 

[Talivar]

How does the Queens Speech thing work them, keep hearing she has to get through a Queens Speech

 

[BloodOmen]

How does the Queens Speech thing work them, keep hearing she has to get through a Queens Speech

Hung Parliament

 

[Talivar]

So if some of her own betray her she could still lose this at the Queens Speech, only needs 3 to betray her if all of the opposition vote ofc

 

[BloodOmen]

Bold claim, mirror link but none the less have a read.

Jeremy Corbyn vows to oust Theresa May 'within a matter of days'

 

[TdC]

He doesnt have a plan, the entire thing is him just reacting on gut instinct...be hasnt actually done anything amazing yet apart from being on the front of a buzz and not losing as badly as expected.

but when the orange trumpet does this, it sends you on a 24 hour wankathon. amazeballs.

 

[BloodOmen]

but when the orange trumpet does this, it sends you on a 24 hour wankathon. amazeballs.

He loves his dorito flavoured wanks

 

[Vae]

I don't get Labours aim in breaking down the DUP backing for the tories, or various demands for Labour to have a minority government. They would also have to ally with the DUP (and all the other parties too) to get a majority. Therefore the most likely outcome would be another election in which the Tories would have learned their lessons and put forward someone more likeable than May.

 

[BloodOmen]

I don't get Labours aim in breaking down the DUP backing for the tories, or various demands for Labour to have a minority government. They would also have to ally with the DUP (and all the other parties too) to get a majority. Therefore the most likely outcome would be another election in which the Tories would have learned their lessons and put forward someone more likeable than May.

Problem with that is, the damage has already been done to the tories, do you think they could repair that damage in 7-8 weeks? while Labour would soar ahead with the momentum they're gaining/gained? I'm not so sure. I'm fairly confident if another election gets called, Conservatives would just lose a record number of seats unless they ran a campaign as successful as Corbyns has been with Labour.

 

[Ctuchik]

Really hope Northern Ireland have stocked up on fire extinguishers. Because May seems hellbent on setting that province on fire again...

 

[BloodOmen]

Really hope Northern Ireland have stocked up on fire extinguishers. Because May seems hellbent on setting that province on fire again...

I really hope it doesn't come to that :/ they don't need The Troubles 2.0

 

[Litmus]

Is it even possible for another election to be called? 3 in 3 years if so

 

[BloodOmen]

Is it even possible for another election to be called? 3 in 3 years if so

Only if May and Corbyn fail their queens speeches, otherwise, I don't think so? I think she has a fair old chance of flopping hard though, survey reckons as much as 60% of Tory MP's want her to just disappear, they might stab her in the back just to stick it to her during her queens speech push.

Fair old chance of hers just being voted down out right too.

As I understand it at least? still not 100% sure how this whole process works myself.

 

[BloodOmen]

OH!

Downing St made statement on DUP 'in error'

NO DEAL has been met yet.