Impressed Fucking Excellent!

[Tom]

I also love the way this quote is openly racist yet there's not a squeak from the young zealots on this forum at all, if he had said "lets face it, we dont like Pakis" there would have been tears of outrage.

Maybe it's because you've been brought up on South Park, dunno.

Just for the record, I wouldnt agree with either statement, but niether would I try to stop someones ability to make such a statement.

There comes a point Throddy where one leaves a fool to his own devices.

 

[Job]

I love the way all you idealist young things think the prejudices of the past have magically gone away because they have thrown marketing at the problem.
Anti semetism is a massive, worldwide problem and disagreeing with me mentioning it and calling me a racist is all part of the new solution of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting tralalal.

 

[gohan]

well not really, because once all the old racist cunts die out, people that really don't give a shit will be in the majority and racism will be a thing of the past..... simple really

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's expected from Toht tho. He lacks the rational mentality to be able to contribute anything constructive in a debate involving a religious aspect.

Even where it involves clear-cut child abuse and the forced mutilation of the sexual organs of babies, in the name of "god", he will blindly defend religion and attempt to derail any thread.

You're an apologist and defender of some of the worst crimes of mankind, Toht.

You actually get trolled by a comment after it's stated to be a troll? That's a new level right there

I'm not contributing anything constructive on this thread 'cause i've seen it a million times and know exactly where this thread is heading. I also don't need to defend religion, religion is a big boy.

 

[Scouse]

YI'm not contributing anything constructive on this thread

Why not fuck off and leave me and my threads on ignore then? You know, like you said you would....?

 

[Scouse]

well not really, because once all the old racist cunts die out, people that really don't give a shit will be in the majority and racism will be a thing of the past..... simple really

Disagree. As long as there are multiple religions rather than one over-arching entity then religion will continue to be inherently racist.

Lets face it. The way the catholic church openly supported hitler and facism was very much in line with it's need to be the only church. Killing jews is in the church's interests. It was the open policy for a loooooong time.

Remember, it's only in the last 100 years, with the reams of mass media and public scrutiny - and the fact that people are now able to openly criticise the church without fear of public and painful death - that the church has had to stop wantonly calling for the death of practitioners of other faiths.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Why not fuck off and leave me and my threads on ignore then? You know, like you said you would....?

Petty schoolyard revenge? Fun? Because it's FH? *shrug*

 

[Scouse]

I'm a petty baby who needs to get out more

Fixed

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I also love the way this quote is openly racist yet there's not a squeak from the young zealots on this forum at all, if he had said "lets face it, we dont like Pakis" there would have been tears of outrage.

Maybe it's because you've been brought up on South Park, dunno.

Just for the record, I wouldnt agree with either statement, but niether would I try to stop someones ability to make such a statement.

It's got to the point everyone know how horribly racist he is: it doesn't need pointing out any more. Don't forget you also defended him on several occasions

 

[gohan]

Religions may war between themselves, they always will. But the general public has no reason to dislike jews, no more than any other religion. That sort of discrimination will die out because nobody I know acctaully dislikes jews. It may be something that certain generations were brought up with for one reason or another but I can honestly say I've never met anyone with a burning hatred of jews, I've met rasist people but that's generally towards asian or black people, not jews. In terms of history our mixed culture is still very young, like 2-3 generations so there will be some lingering hate and prejudice, but most younger people really aren't bothered and socialise with people from any background. It's like a filtering system

Great grandad hates blacks outright
grandad taught to hate blacks so resents them a little
dad has a lingering hostility towards blacks from upbringing
son not really that bothered
future son will have no reason whatsoever to dislike blacks

very simplified but that is basically what will start happening specially as so many "Asians" and blacks aren't even foriegn anymore, they're second or 3rd generation English (or British) much harder to dislike someone when you speak with the same colloquialisms. Face it, the current generation of youngsters are more accepting than the last, who in turn were more accepting than their predecessors. So it will die out in this country, in less developed countries maybe not so much, but in western civilisation it's no where near as much as a problem as it's made out to be and it will only improve.

 

[Raven]

I also love the way this quote is openly racist yet there's not a squeak from the young zealots on this forum at all, if he had said "lets face it, we dont like Pakis" there would have been tears of outrage.

Maybe it's because you've been brought up on South Park, dunno.

Just for the record, I wouldnt agree with either statement, but niether would I try to stop someones ability to make such a statement.

Job is the resident moron and bigot, nothing he spouts really surprises anyone any more and it's pretty pointless to give him the attention he requires.

 

[throdgrain]

It's got to the point everyone know how horribly racist he is: it doesn't need pointing out any more. Don't forget you also defended him on several occasions

I will continue to defend his right to say what he wants, even though it's not actually a right and more of a thought crime now, on here and also I wouldnt be suprised legally too.

I think some people have misunderstood my post, which wasnt to criticise Job, more to observe that Jew-bashing appears to still be ok around these parts.

very simplified but that is basically what will start happening specially as so many "Asians" and blacks aren't even foriegn anymore, they're second or 3rd generation English (or British) much harder to dislike someone when you speak with the same colloquialisms. Face it, the current generation of youngsters are more accepting than the last, who in turn were more accepting than their predecessors. So it will die out in this country, in less developed countries maybe not so much, but in western civilisation it's no where near as much as a problem as it's made out to be and it will only improve.

Whilst I agree to a point with this post by Gohan, where it falls down is that there are continually more and more immigrants who dont have our customs/colloquialisms etc, so that intergration will remain difficult.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Fixed

I liked the "i'm a petty cunt" more

 

[Scouse]

most younger people really aren't bothered and socialise with people from any background.

Funny eh? With the dying out of religion as an important part of the "new social construct" the old ways - like racism - are also dying out.

Almost as if they go hand-in-hand eh?

To fix your post:

Grandad taught to hate jews by the catholic church
Dad has a lingering hostility towards jews
Son not bothered

All that happens when the church can no longer openly preach hatred towards people of other reiligions. The catholics can no longer shout "kill jews" and "kill islam". Even though less than half a century ago the pope was still blaming the jews for the death of jesus (and the jews proudly accepting this honour).


Additionally - the sexual freedoms that come with a lack of religion also take away a lot of the "gut" reasons for hating people of other colours. The sexual liberation of women, and the attitudes towards sexual freedom and jealousy that come with that, has gone a long way down the even longer road of removing racial prejudice.

If there's one thing that religions are good at it's making men think that women should be subjugated and the idea of a white girl sitting on a fat black one - because she fancies a go - is historically a total religious no-no.

Face it, the current generation of youngsters are more accepting than the last, who in turn were more accepting than their predecessors. So it will die out in this country, in less developed countries maybe not so much, but in western civilisation it's no where near as much as a problem as it's made out to be and it will only improve.

Face it. The current generation of youngsters are more accepting than the last because religion is dying. The fact that for 2000 years we've not seen this pattern of acceptance and freedom is because the church has had a stranglehold.

What's changed? Oh yes, the ability to openly criticise the church without fear of death.

You're right about "less developed" countries though. Religion has a massive stronghold in places like Africa. So war, child rape, female genital mutilation and ethnic cleansing are still going strong - hand-in-hand with the religions who propagate their vile mental sickness and persecute those who would stand up to them.


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[Scouse]

I liked the "i'm a petty cunt" more

I like to be accurate and try to not let my feelings get in the way of reasoned debate. Hence the self-censorship and better-fitting retort.

 

[gohan]

My initial post wasn't an argument with you about why people were historically racist, it was in reply to job's assertion that everyone secretly hates jews...... even within religion tho it's not 'racism' as such, as there are christians, catholics, muslims, jews etc from all backgrounds, it's more religiousist.... which is just as pathetic but again only extremist would acctaully HATE some one of another religion

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ok, to be non-trolly on topic;

Yeah, good for them to banish the snippety snip, i wouldn't call it mutilation as that's a bit of an over-statement, but that's just semantics. Own choice is always good and this enforces peoples freedom to do what they wish.

The religious part of this thread? Non-relevant really(IMO) so no comment.

So in short; apple jews or orange jews, choice should always be given IF possible. Added caveat; as long as that freedom of choice doesn't harm other people.

 

[Raven]

Like religion, bigotory should be riduculed. Sure he is free to express his views and others are free to call him an idiot.

 

[Scouse]

only extremist would acctaully HATE some one of another religion

I concede your point about racism/religionism.

However, the above is not true Gohan. It's not "extremism" to hate and kill people of other religions. For the past 2000 years that's been the stock, standard and default position of the three main religions.

Only in the last 100 years, and only in the west, has this position "softened". And the thing that changed that was the ability to openly criticise religion without fear of death.



Edit: As an aside and to be fair to Job - I don't think he was saying "I hate jews". I think he was pointing out that, historically, europeans have, in general, hated jews - which is true. They were commanded to by the church.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

more to observe that Jew-bashing appears to still be ok around these parts.

I think you're making stuff up now.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah, good for them to banish the snippety snip

i wouldn't call it mutilation as that's a bit of an over-statement, but that's just semantics

If they cut their nose off, would that be mutilation? Is not the cutting off of parts of the body mutilation? A penis looks like a penis with a hood. If you cut the hood off you've mutilated that penis.

"Just" semantics? Semantics is the study of meaning. And mutilation means:

mu·ti·late
To disfigure by damaging irreparably

You can't grow another foreskin. The penis of the child being abused is irreperably damaged.

Own choice is always good and this enforces peoples freedom to do what they wish

This is the first of your within-own-post-contradictions. We'll cover in a mo.

The religious part of this thread? Non-relevant really(IMO) so no comment.

Religion is the cause of said genital mutilation. It cannot be classed as non-relevant. You don't get "atheist genital mutilation of children".

So in short; apple jews or orange jews, choice should always be given IF possible. Added caveat; as long as that freedom of choice doesn't harm other people.

Here we see your back-track contradiction.

Forcible genital mutilation of children IS harming other people.


Your whole post is an thinly-veiled and intellectually weak attempt to appease religion and its actions whilst pretending not to be. I.E. It's bullshit.

What I said earlier stands:

You're an apologist and defender of some of the worst crimes of mankind, Toht.

Edit: Notice what a post looks like when someone comprehensively dissasembles your bullshit? This will be my last reply to you on this topic in this thread - as it puts people off reading the thread.....

....which is your intention and aim - to stifle reasoned debate in an attempt to defend religion.

 

[throdgrain]

I think you're making stuff up now.

Not at all Wazz, people often say things about Jewish people that would be completely unacceptable by you lots rules if you said it about any other race, or even religion.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Wow Scouse, you couldn't misunderstand what i wrote more even if you tried

All i said in that post is "good that they banned this, that kind of thing should be a persons own choice" and you turn it into me defending the snippety.

In fact, if you look at your "intellectual" dissection of my post, you're saying your own opinion on the matter is bullsh*t because i'm on the same side.

 

[cHodAX]

7% population growth in the last 10 years and this without counting upwards of a million illegals.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...-wales-grows-37m_n_1675439.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Not at all Wazz, people often say things about Jewish people that would be completely unacceptable by you lots rules if you said it about any other race, or even religion.

Link to such a post, or the posts since they occur so frequently? I've never seen the likes.

 

[throdgrain]

Oh hang on, I'll just get me link-o-meter out and find one

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Well if they're as often as you claim it should be no problem to find one, right?

 

[rynnor]

Oh hang on, I'll just get me link-o-meter out and find one

I think you are confusing anti-israeli posts with anti-jewish ones - the Israeli govt/Army does some pretty awful things which are rightly condemned (by a chunk of Israeli's as well as a lot of others).

This does not equal an anti-jewish stance.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well to be fair, FH is more hypocritically highhorsed then paris hilton preaching to poor kids about abstinence.

 

[rynnor]

Well to be fair, FH is more hypocritically highhorsed then paris hilton preaching to poor kids about abstinence.

I just read that as 'people dont agree with me so they are all bastards'.