Friars in rvr?

[mikke]

im thinking of making a friar, or i have already made one (lvl 29 or something).. and i want to go in grps with it... and therefore i wonder - what specs is good for grouping? is healing friar worth doing as a friar, with heals and bodyguards and ressists etc (34 rej, 48ench, 29staff, 6parry)? I wont really get all those expencive artifacts now that clustering is inc.. but EoY i think i will get..

i mean; is friars worth to make as a healing\bging\buffing class and then assist\interupt enemy dudes? or should i just stick with my theurg\mincer?

 

[Mikah75]

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firstly : sod off my turf!!:< (jk )

2nd:
33 rej, 49 enhance, 29 staff, rest parry is best spec imo
you need bg to get in the good grps etc

that spec i would get Cloudsong, EoY,CB (if u can), tartaros
the grps that usually invite myself usually prefer the extra heals and util rather than a pala, but some run pala and friar bgers, and i love it

 

[DavidH]

Its just a shame that friars can't heal while bg'ing.

 

[Deepflame]

Why can't they? Does it break bodyguard?

 

[DavidH]

As far as I know, yes.

 

[Saggy]

As far as I know, yes.

That's correct

My spec is currently 44rejuv/49enh but haven't really tested it yet, need to do new template with hammer+shield for it HE and EoY are kinda "must have" artifacts for Friar if you ask me.

 

[Phusion]

haven't played daoc in a while but i would go for:
39 staves, 48 enchance, rest rejuv

for the RA's:
static tempest 3, purge 2, and rest.. dunno

as for the rest, bodyguard is a must to even get groups!

also get some good amout of hitpoints, since friars die soo fast :<

greetings, phusion lvl 50 friar gimp.

 

[Illudian]

Friar rejuv line is gimp. Hell most parts of the friar are gimp.. we are forgotten
But 49Enh is good atm. Most used spec atm is:

33 rej, 49 enhance, 29 staff, rest parry

what mikah said.

 

[Mikah75]

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i am not le gimp
go higher than 33 rej ur a gimp, not worth it and HoT's SUCK!!, staff skill is still needed, 49 enhance is a must for all resists and haste.
atm im in battle friar spec of 39staff 49 enhance 19 parry 7?rejuv
am using harpys as cloak atm but tbh the disarm proc works quite effectively wen theres 2fgs trying to beat me..
not to sure if BG stops working if u heal:S i was doing it didnt notice anything, but can test that 2morrow

ST is very important ST and BG is what grps want you for, also VR is a very nice one to help a grp

ill be respeccing to the 33 rej soon as just got BG u will be helping heal or you'll get piss bored, will alter another temp so i can use the same artis in my temp such as nailahs, EOY, scalars, and maybe just get cloudsong to switch with and zo'karat we will see

 

[GReaper]

Best spec is 44 staff, 49 enhance, 7 rejuv, 2 parry. Only pre-1.46 Friars have any chance of getting such a spec though.

As for rejuv... why?! I'd say concentrate on bodyguarding and interrupting instead. A small amount of rejuv will help you heal, but I honestly feel that anything too high is a waste of points.

 

[Thadius]

Usual rvr groups run with 2 clerics anyway

 

[Amanita]

Well if you're concentrating on bodyguarding and stuff why not go the extra mile and be an assistant healer? If a BG'er can cast while doing his thing it would keep the friar from getting bored while sticking close to his squishy friend.

 

[Haazheel]

Best spec is 44 staff, 49 enhance, 7 rejuv, 2 parry. Only pre-1.46 Friars have any chance of getting such a spec though.

As for rejuv... why?! I'd say concentrate on bodyguarding and interrupting instead. A small amount of rejuv will help you heal, but I honestly feel that anything too high is a waste of points.

I kinda disagree Duane on this, friar is not efficient for ae interrupt. You have enough job running to BGed chars, you cannot cope with assist train doing this (melee group that is).
Imo, BG, high rejuv, VR, and a couple of HE/EoY, ST is an extra, and ofc TG during BG to pull a hit or two and enjoy the mcl2 proc

 

[Killerbee]

Usual rvr groups run with 2 clerics anyway

So less healer classes than the enemy has.

 

[Saggy]

Best spec is 44 staff, 49 enhance, 7 rejuv, 2 parry. Only pre-1.46 Friars have any chance of getting such a spec though.

As for rejuv... why?! I'd say concentrate on bodyguarding and interrupting instead. A small amount of rejuv will help you heal, but I honestly feel that anything too high is a waste of points.

How would you spec Warden then? 44 slash/blunt, 49nurture and 7 regrowth? Usually people say that Warden should go for 42reg/49nur and the very same people consider rejuv Friar's crap - people do realize that Friar's rejuv line is better than Warden's regwroth (396 heal against 387 and HoT, which isn't all that great but is still something that keeps on going while you BG or are mezzed)?

I used to be 29staff/48enh/34rej and it was an lovely spec but I realized that there is no need for staff styles - ML-styles are way better for interupting. Because BG breaks when casting I figured out that casting as powerfull spells as possible is the way to go - healing for >600 does make an difference (VR and HE for insta "group-heals" on top of that). Also by going for hammer+shield I can A) get better SC-set (+duration for HoT/ST for example) B) get faster weapon for BM 9-10 spam and C) slightly better defence.

 

[Phusion]

friars are actualy able to do good amout of dmg with their staff tho....thats why they don't spec rejuv, wardens do crap melee dmg, that's why they spec regrowth

 

[Scunner]

Personally think the extra healing is much more useful than the extra damage. Think a rejuv friar would work very well but then its down to playstyle and how the group plays

 

[Saggy]

friars are actualy able to do good amout of dmg with their staff tho....thats why they don't spec rejuv, wardens do crap melee dmg, that's why they spec regrowth

Damage dealing is hardly what Albion's RvR-group is lacking and >600 heals outweights Friar's damage though. I find Rejuv Friar superior compared to battle-Friar (which is worse healer than Paladin) and much more enjoyable to play. Sure, people have said "you should have rolled Cleric if you want to heal" but they fail to see the whole picture - 2 Clerics + Rejuv Friar >>>>>>> 3 Clerics, I'm sure I dont have to explain why.

29staff, 33rejuv and 49enh is good spec to start with to see the benefits of both lines (staff and rejuv). I've absolutely no problems in burning whole manabar for healing and still BG effectively - 2/3 of Cleric's heals per night isn't uncommon at all, go figure All the groups that I have played with have been pleased with my spec which is all that matters to me. I rolled tri-spec Caba and was called a gimp and now it's the fotm-spec if I'm not mistaken, same will, and partly already has, happen to Rejuv Friar

 

[Glerina]

More staff oriented specced friars are nowhere nearly as bad as a pally healing wise...Plus they do hit for a lot.
Both sides (staff and rej specced friars) have their advantages and disadvantages.

 

[Mikah75]

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whoever said friars do rubbish dmg is stupid, they do insane dmg at 39 staff 49 enhance spec, + 44 rej is a complete and utter waste!

33 rej is fine for helping a grp, there is no point losing all ur dmg with no staff skill, as a bodyguarder you will need to defend urself, with clerics healing i took out a good fg while BGing a sorc.
Phusion i agree with you there as battle spec i love battle spec and can quite easily solo with it or be a dmg dealer, but tbh as a grp BGer 29 staff with ML's is plenty, you will just find yourself being slightly useless if you stay battle spec, some rejuv is needed for this reason which is why i will be respecing shortly

As Saggy said, that is your playstyle saying that you dont need the staff skill just ML's for interupting, i dont like having that job, i personally think the other meleers or casters shud, i personally prefer doing very good dmg while assisting to heal if needed i find it so funny and exilerating to BG a caster while im getting smacked up by an assist train and pwn them.
and tbh HoT=dump no point even wasting your power casting it

 

[Saggy]

whoever said friars do rubbish dmg is stupid, they do insane dmg at 39 staff 49 enhance spec, + 44 rej is a complete and utter waste!

It's not too long ago when you said 7rejuv is the way to go though Besides, no one had said Friars do rubbish damage that I noticed of.

As Saggy said, that is your playstyle saying that you dont need the staff skill just ML's for interupting, i dont like having that job, i personally think the other meleers or casters shud, i personally prefer doing very good dmg while assisting to heal if needed

In other words you are saying my playstyle is utter shit?

 

[saitoh]

i agree with mr greaper

 

[Garok]

34 rejuve 37 enhance 39 staff 16 parry = balanced

 

[Mikah75]

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first Saggy i made the mistake and went 7 rejuv and higher parry instead of 16 rejuv as battle spec and i didnt say that was the spec to go at any point, i said it was my current spec..
and no dont start getting bitchy, i said thats your play style, not mine, everyone is entitled to there opinion and thats how i like playing my friar:S

 

[Glerina]

Mhm, by the way.
I love talking about friars Could there be some more of these threads in the future?
Makes me miss the game a bit though :/

 

[Kinag]

This is not a topic that should be discussed if you ask me.

It's all about the player's playstyle.

I'm 34 rejuv, 29 staff and 48 enhance (yeah I know, I fucked up), and it's a decent spec.

I'm considering starting up my friar again, but I'm quite unsure of what to go with, 33 rejuv, 29 staff, 49 enhance or the 39 staff way.

If I'm heading the rejuv way, I'll make a new template which includes CS, EoY, GoV, BoZ and belt of moirai instead of my current one (nailah's, EoY, Belt of moirai).

Even considered going 43 rejuv, 49 enhance at one point, using mace and shield and just use ml styles ^^

 

[Haazheel]

Mhm, by the way.
I love talking about friars Could there be some more of these threads in the future?
Makes me miss the game a bit though :/

Come back then Glerina

first Saggy i made the mistake and went 7 rejuv and higher parry instead of 16 rejuv as battle spec and i didnt say that was the spec to go at any point, i said it was my current spec..

Ye worked hard enough on that mistake

 

[Mikah75]

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tbh i dont think GoV is worth it in a friar temp, is a waste as strength is not needed in any form, and he wants a cheap one he said so no GoV or Nailahs
but tbh as a grp friar 49 enhance all the way the resists are wuvly xD

 

[Saggy]

first Saggy i made the mistake and went 7 rejuv and higher parry instead of 16 rejuv as battle spec and i didnt say that was the spec to go at any point, i said it was my current spec..
and no dont start getting bitchy, i said thats your play style, not mine, everyone is entitled to there opinion and thats how i like playing my friar:S

To refresh your memory, click me Yes, you did say that's my playstyle but you also said my spec is complete and utter waste - now when you consider that my spec is what determines my playstyle surely you consider my playstyle complete and utter waste too?

 

[Mikah75]

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aha i apologise thats before i saw friars in a new light but tbh rejuv isnt so bad