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Derric · Sep 24, 2003

But at least I'm only half german!

ghoul · Sep 24, 2003

Originally posted by Pin
And it's nice to see there are clueless people on Prydwen too

If you only knew :/

Rambo · Sep 24, 2003

Originally posted by froler-mid
call the debuff wtver u want, the fact remains, you PA is NOT 580+200(debuff).

its 380.

and why leave thread now, we were just getting started ffs?

stop saying the pa thingie, not many people have read the thread yet, you might still have a chance to avoid the clown crown.

coolan · Sep 24, 2003

i could try and explain it better than rambo but the

Originally posted by Rambo
LOL ? you still dont get it ???

pretty much sums most ppl up on this thread.

klavrynd · Sep 24, 2003

D E B U F F I S N O T D A M A G E ! ! !

it is if you describe damage as "the loss of hitpoints"

when you get con-debuffed you lose hp
class hp/con mod * # of debuffed points

remi, stop using pa as an example, rambo's more of a df-garotte man

old.camillo · Sep 24, 2003

Originally posted by Derric
But at least I'm only half german!

Hey, you never told me !!

Ithurts · Sep 24, 2003

Rambo what is it u dont get tbh?
Remi explained it is easy and still u dont understand?

Read what he wrote a few times then try again.

succi · Sep 24, 2003

Remi is correct
Rambo is wrong

Rambo · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by Pin
And it's nice to see there are clueless people on Prydwen too

this guy is correct, you getting more and more...

Rambo · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by Ithurts
Rambo what is it u dont get tbh?
Remi explained it is easy and still u dont understand?

Read what he wrote a few times then try again.

if you mean this...

Originally posted by froler-mid
yes, he got 1000hps then.

try PA a fully buffed plate char(debuff on main ofc.), u do PA dmg first THEN debuff. PA dmg under 400dmg..and debuff lands = he got full hps on his hp bar (u nullified your PA dmg there with ya debuff....=makes your PA worthless)

heal the plate guy.

now just hit him once, unstyled, with debuff on main. he loses hp on his hp bar......= u do same dmg unstyled as when u do when u PA

this is why i respecced too DW (50thrust, 50dw, 31env/stealth , havnt respecced too rr10 spec yet ;dd)

then welcome to the club... you are now member of the clueless prydwen ubah club... Succi is the vice president.

Litmus · Sep 25, 2003

aww gowd, rr10 and still dont know how stuff works for his class

Tasos · Sep 25, 2003

Hmm ok make choises but know b4 u say sammat :x
prolly str/con debuff says everything!
I've oneshoted a sitting caster doing my caped PA about 78x damage no offhad+lifebane i suppose he was gimped rr5 guy.
Poison works in the end of the hit imo BEFORE u hit again.

froler-mid · Sep 25, 2003

i can help u try it ingame etc rambo.....but i doubt u understand it then anyway

klavrynd · Sep 25, 2003

you'll have to get past all his bumchums that are there to protect him from evul cliff beetles first

amazingsteve · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by Rambo
then welcome to the club... you are now member of the clueless prydwen ubah club... Succi is the vice president.

:great:

Derric · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by old.camillo
Hey, you never told me !!

I did!But all the Bailey's prolly made you forget it!

old.Hardbein · Sep 25, 2003

heheh this thread is quite amuzing, ok I admit I didnt know how the str/con debuff thing works, but hey ! my SB is still lvl28 and is gonna stay there.

Anyway, keep this thread going im very entertained ! :great:

PS: remi >>> rambo imo

chiefbootknocka · Sep 25, 2003

rambo > remi

scarffs · Sep 25, 2003

I'm no assassin, but it would seem logical that in the pa case, when you hit for 580, to take the same example, the pa hits for 580 and the debuff reduces con for 200 hits.

Effective damage taken = 580 total.
Damage loss shown on hp bar = 380 since total visible hp is reduced by 200.

So if you pa for 200 instead of 580, there is an effective loss of 200hp but no visible loss on hp bar.

Thats how i get it.

Zzz

froler-mid · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by scarffs
I'm no assassin, but it would seem logical that in the pa case, when you hit for 580, to take the same example, the pa hits for 580 and the debuff reduces con for 200 hits.

Effective damage taken = 580 total.
Damage loss shown on hp bar = 380 since total visible hp is reduced by 200.

So if you pa for 200 instead of 580, there is an effective loss of 200hp but no visible loss on hp bar.

Thats how i get it.

Zzz

that's how i mean......(im such sucky explainer :m00:

)

Lochlyessa · Sep 25, 2003

Yes, but you have a thane in your sig = your opinion is worthless!11

k.

Aoln · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by Lochlyessa
Yes, but you have a thane in your sig = your opinion is worthless!11

k.

hush woman

Rambo · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by scarffs
I'm no assassin, but it would seem logical that in the pa case, when you hit for 580, to take the same example, the pa hits for 580 and the debuff reduces con for 200 hits.

Effective damage taken = 580 total.
Damage loss shown on hp bar = 380 since total visible hp is reduced by 200.

So if you pa for 200 instead of 580, there is an effective loss of 200hp but no visible loss on hp bar.

Thats how i get it.

Zzz

Originally posted by froler-mid
that's how i mean......(im such sucky explainer )

thats what i am saying... that the hp bar shows that he doesnt lost any hp but the truth is your pa made its damage.
for example :
i say that if you debuff for 500hp a guy who has 2000hp and you pa him for 500 then you must do another 1000 damage to kill him... ( his hp bar tho might be full after the pa )

but Remi saying your pa is worthless so you must do 1500 damage to kill him...

Originally posted by froler-mid

try PA a fully buffed plate char(debuff on main ofc.), u do PA dmg first THEN debuff. PA dmg under 400dmg..and debuff lands = he got full hps on his hp bar (u nullified your PA dmg there with ya debuff....= makes your PA worthless)
heal the plate guy.
now just hit him once, unstyled, with debuff on main. he loses hp on his hp bar......= u do same dmg unstyled as when u do when u PA

this is why i respecced too DW (50thrust, 50dw, 31env/stealth , havnt respecced too rr10 spec yet ;dd)

so i am 100% sure for what i am saying and if you guys still think that a debuff makes a pa worthless or make its damage be less than supposed... sorry you are wrong.

old.Hellskor · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by Rambo
thats what i am saying... that the hp bar shows that he doesnt lost any hp but the truth is your pa made its damage.
for example :
i say that if you debuff for 500hp a guy who has 2000hp and you pa him for 500 then you must do another 1000 damage to kill him... ( his hp bar tho might be full after the pa )

but Remi saying your pa is worthless so you must do 1500 damage to kill him...

so i am 100% sure for what i am saying and if you guys still think that a debuff makes a pa worthless or make its damage be less than supposed... sorry you are wrong.

...

Ithurts · Sep 25, 2003

Rambo still doesnt get it lol.

Ill try,

U hit with PA for 400 without debuff, U have now done 400 dmg on ur target.

U hit with a bronze dirk with debuff on, dirk dmg was 0 and debuff debuffs for 400, U have now done 400 dmg to ur target.

U hit PA for 400 with debuff on, U have now done 400 dmg to ur target.

Do u get it?

klavrynd · Sep 25, 2003

edit : shouldve read before posting

froler-mid · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by Rambo
thats what i am saying... that the hp bar shows that he doesnt lost any hp but the truth is your pa made its damage.
for example :
i say that if you debuff for 500hp a guy who has 2000hp and you pa him for 500 then you must do another 1000 damage to kill him... ( his hp bar tho might be full after the pa )

but Remi saying your pa is worthless so you must do 1500 damage to kill him...

your example is correct(your thinking the debuff hits first, but it isnt), the way u PA in regular cases is:

PA for 500 first, THEN AFTER you debuff for 500(debuffs 2000hp-> 1500) which means yout target got 100% hp on the hp bar(but he is debuffed too 1500). = he only lost 500hps -> made your PA worthless (imo)

cant really explain better ;d

dracus · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by froler-mid
your example is correct(your thinking the debuff hits first, but it isnt), the way u PA in regular cases is:

PA for 500 first, THEN AFTER you debuff for 500(debuffs 2000hp-> 1500) which means yout target got 100% hp on the hp bar(but he is debuffed too 1500). = he only lost 500hps -> made your PA worthless (imo)

cant really explain better ;d

I would like to see this proven...cause it makes NO sense whatsoever..if u PA a guy for 500...he has taken those 500 dmg no matter what...and debuff still takes 500 or whatever from his max hps...so 2000-500 from PA he now has 1500..the debuff hits..now he has 1500max but the PA did 500 so he shud have 1000 hps now...else this game is fuk'd beyond belief...but then again...isnt it?

/Dracus

[edit] I've gone crosseyed...have no idea what to think atm...i can see remi's logic...but i still dont see how the PA dmg can be nullified?!? is that simply beacause mythic made another b00b00? arg..<runs off to the forest, sits down and starts pickin daisies>

Rambo · Sep 25, 2003

Originally posted by froler-mid
your example is correct(your thinking the debuff hits first, but it isnt), the way u PA in regular cases is:

PA for 500 first, THEN AFTER you debuff for 500(debuffs 2000hp-> 1500) which means yout target got 100% hp on the hp bar(but he is debuffed too 1500). = he only lost 500hps -> made your PA worthless (imo)

cant really explain better ;d

you still on that eh ? i must call you stupid then, you gave me these rights !

listen to what this man said :

Originally posted by dracus
I would like to see this proven...cause it makes NO sense whatsoever..if u PA a guy for 500... he has taken those 500 dmg no matter what...and debuff still takes 500 or whatever from his max hps...so 2000-500 from PA he now has 1500..the debuff hits..now he has 1500max but the PA did 500 so he shud have 1000 hps now...else this game is fuk'd beyond belief...but then again...isnt it?

/Dracus

and the guy named Ithurts also keep saying the same...
Ithurts, you are still to far behind, you missed the point when i said Debuff is no Damage. I said it 1000 times, even PA lands 1st and then you debuff you still did the pa damage no matter what !

ps:
Ithurts : Stop making fool your self, we all know that cliff beattles are smarter than you, go talk with hulks in DF please, dont post here, the level of this thread is low enough, we dont need you. And enjoy your fotm char...

froler-mid · Sep 25, 2003

you said yourself that target got full hps after a PA.

soo....with FULL hpbar AFTER PA AND DEBUFF he only got 1000 hps left with your calculations Rambo?

(full hp =1500hp imo.....)

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