for rambo

[Rambo]

Plz tell us that you bought Remi's account. Will make me feel better. Plz plz.

 

[old.Emma]

Rambo i`ll try explain this in simple terms for you.

Debuff works by reducing your targets max hit points.

So with 2000 hit points when buffed, if you debuffed that person with Greater Enervating there hit points would drop from 2000 to say 1500. There hit point bar will not show them as taking any damage when in fact there actually short of 500 hit points.

If you PA that person or hit that person with any other style. There hit points would then drop and it would show on there hp bar. example... Tank with 2000 hit points and you hit them for 500 damage. There hp bar would now be at 75% 1500/max hp (2000).

Now if you hit that person first for 500 damage, there hp bar would show 75% 1500/2000. If you then used the str/con debuff it would drop there max hp from 2000 to 1500. Meaning your PA that did 500 damage would have been replaced by the str/con debuff which also did 500 damage. So there new max hit points would be 1500 instead of 2000.


When a debuff lands. if it reduces someones max hp more than the actual damage you have done to them. There hp bar would appear to increase instead of decrease.

Its how the game works its something you should have known already.

rr10l6 and you dont.

/cry

 

[Derric]

Who cares about how it debuffs,as long as the guy you're hitting dies eventually.

 

[Rambo]

Originally posted by old.Emma
Rambo i`ll try explain this in simple terms for you.

Debuff works by reducing your targets max hit points.

So with 2000 hit points when buffed, if you debuffed that person with Greater Enervating there hit points would drop from 2000 to say 1500. There hit point bar will not show them as taking any damage when in fact there actually short of 500 hit points.

If you PA that person or hit that person with any other style. There hit points would then drop and it would show on there hp bar. example... Tank with 2000 hit points and you hit them for 500 damage. There hp bar would now be at 75% 1500/max hp (2000).

Now if you hit that person first for 500 damage, there hp bar would show 75% 1500/2000. If you then used the str/con debuff it would drop there max hp from 2000 to 1500. Meaning your PA that did 500 damage would have been replaced by the str/con debuff which also did 500 damage. So there new max hit points would be 1500 instead of 2000.


When a debuff lands. if it reduces someones max hp more than the actual damage you have done to them. There hp bar would appear to increase instead of decrease.

Its how the game works its something you should have known already.

rr10l6 and you dont.

/cry

Crying is not my style, only yours and you have prooved it...
as for the debuff i know how it works thanks, i wont try to convince anyone anymore, i am RR10L6 cause i know what i am doin in the game, i know that i am correct in this, and you and all those think the opposite... ok fine, you can keep using your desease on main hand cause you dont want to make a worthless pa, no problem ! more rps for me.... ;P

ciao !

 

[chiefbootknocka]

Emma look at your rps, then look at rambos.

 

[klavrynd]

<snip>i am RR10L6 cause i know what i am doin in the game,<snip>

you got rr5 by leeching from your greek t30 bumchums and got the rest duoing with other noobs that don't dare to run alone and leeching of fadeh's/xeanor/whoevers group.

you can't call 2 solo kills on 3mil rp + (cba looking how much) knowing what you're doing

tbh, i have more "respect" (as far as you can call it that) for people that ding rr3 in random groups then you dinging rr10

 

[bolo]

Originally posted by klavrynd
you got rr5 by leeching from your greek t30 bumchums and got the rest duoing with other noobs that don't dare to run alone and leeching of fadeh's/xeanor/whoevers group.

Greek t30 bumchums? Wow..... thats a bit..... race-specific?

But to be expected from an obviously bitter, angry (potentially sexually frustrated) person; as the the overtone and content of you posts that Ive read on this forum have conveyed......

Originally posted by klavrynd
tbh, i have more "respect" (as far as you can call it that) for people that ding rr3 in random groups then you dinging rr10 [/B]

Is funny how you have that word "respect" in ANY of your posts;
you obviously do not know the meaning of it... therefore rendering the above snippet utterly moot, pointless and just fucking dumb.

OH... BTW.....

Constanze > (Rambo + any)

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by bolo
Greek t30 bumchums? Wow..... thats a bit..... race-specific?

But to be expected from an obviously bitter, angry (potentially sexually frustrated) person; as the the overtone and content of you posts that Ive read on this forum have conveyed......



Is funny how you have that word "respect" in ANY of your posts;
you obviously do not know the meaning of it... therefore rendering the above snippet utterly moot, pointless and just fucking dumb.

OH... BTW.....

Constanze > (Rambo + any)

Rambo even though im only rr5l7 atleast i know how the f**king game works.

so far it`s you vs the rest of the stealther community on how debuffs works and your wrong.

 

[bolo]

Emma, Im not Rambo .....

I just dont like Klavrynd and will flame her / him (herhimaphodite?) just as she flames others on a whim.

Thats what these boards are all about right? Flaming, crying, post-farming, etc etc....

- sorry for deviating form the original topic..............

 

[Ithurts]

LOL Rambo is really stupid tbh, he actually doesnt understand what we are saying.

Even my 7 year old brother would understand this but u cant? Does that make u dumber than a 7 year old?

Plz Rambo try this out before u come here and talk shit about people who know more about ur char than u do...

Try out the points in my last point and u will see that they are correct.

 

[Rambo]

Originally posted by old.Emma
Rambo even though im only rr5l7 atleast i know how the f**king game works.

so far it`s you vs the rest of the stealther community on how debuffs works and your wrong.

some day the 'stealther community' might learn that i am right, but till then i will prolly have some of the best chars in World of Warcraft or in LineAge2 or in whatever comes out and worth a try.

Btw you and some bunch of gimps not represent the 'Stealther Community' or else we are doomed.

 

[Cush]

Why not just explaine it like that the debuff reduce the Max hp you can have? I guess its easier for someone to understand that way.

So if they got 2000 hp then you PA them for 500 dmg taking them down to 1500 hp.
Then the debuff kicks in and reduce there max hps down to 1500.(that is if it debuffs for 500 hps)

Only thing this is good for is if he gets heals or use IP since he can only get up to 1500 hps agains.

 

[Rambo]

Originally posted by Cush
Why not just explaine it like that the debuff reduce the Max hp you can have? I guess its easier for someone to understand that way.

So if they got 2000 hp then you PA them for 500 dmg taking them down to 1500 hp.
Then the debuff kicks in and reduce there max hps down to 1500.

Only thing this is good for is if he gets heals or use IP since he can only get up to 1500 hps agains.

almost...

some graphics might help you all :

thats a 2000 hp bar
[||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]

after a pa for lets say 500 lands, imagine this happens...
the bar is missing the 1st 500hp like this:
[----------------||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]
The 1st 500hp not the last.... imagine it this way.

............................................then the debuff lands... for ~300
[----------------||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||----------]
...................... ^.........................................................^
so now thats the rest you must hit for him to die....



but in the game the hp bar works like this :

full hp bar
[||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]
pa
[||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||----------------]
fast debuff and the hp bar looks like this:
[|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|---]

thats why some low level minds cant get it...
they think pa did nothing but its only cause hp bar showing again a person with almsot a full bar, but thats only cause the new bar represents less hp.

!!! the numbers are not real calculations just an example !!!

 

[Cush]

full hp bar
[||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]
pa
[||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||----------------]
pa+debuff
[||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]
only debuff
[||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]


and i realy need someone to support my teori since im pretty much guessing

 

[Xandax]

Hmm, maybe I should try ... if I understood this "debate" correct.


Say you PA somebody for 500 damage - taking him from 2000 to 1500. okay....

If you apply a debuff, reducing his HP with say 200.
This means that after the swing he will have 1800 max HP, okay...

combine these statements:
This mean that the damage you do initially will go from 2000 -> 1500. And the debuff will lower his max hitpoints from 2000 to 1800 afterwards.
This gives the *effective* result of the PA + debuff as only 300, because the end result of that swing is you have reduced him from 1800 -> 1500.
You have still PAed for 500 and you have still debuffed for 200, but effectively - your swing has only had the effect as a PA 300.
(he will still have 1500 hit points but now with an 1800 max, instead of 2000)

If on the other hand you use a style X that does 100 damage with the same debuff.
Then your swing will reduce from 2000 -> 1900
The debuff will lower his hitpoint max to 1800
Thus effectively damaging the person for 200 damage due to the loss of max. hitpoints.



i think .... (is a case of simple mathematics as I see it)

 

[Rambo]

Originally posted by Xandax
Hmm, maybe I should try ... if I understood this "debate" correct.


Say you PA somebody for 500 damage - taking him from 2000 to 1500. okay....

If you apply a debuff, reducing his HP with say 200.
This means that after the swing he will have 1800 max HP, okay...

combine these statements:
This mean that the damage you do initially will go from 2000 -> 1500. And the debuff will lower his max hitpoints from 2000 to 1800 afterwards.
This gives the *effective* result of the PA + debuff as only 300, because the end result of that swing is you have reduced him from 1800 -> 1500.
You have still PAed for 500 and you have still debuffed for 200, but effectively - your swing has only had the effect as a PA 300.
(he will still have 1500 hit points but now with an 1800 max, instead of 2000)

If on the other hand you use a style X that does 100 damage with the same debuff.
Then your swing will reduce from 2000 -> 1900
The debuff will lower his hitpoint max to 1800
Thus effectively damaging the person for 200 damage due to the loss of max. hitpoints.

i think .... (is a case of simple mathematics as I see it)

no.

thats the problem, debuff only changing the number of the max hp you can have, just imagine as the graphics saying that the hit you give ( lets say a pa for 500 ) takes off the 1st 500 hp not the last, actually its a damage that his hp now missing, and after that, a debuff comes and say : mister your max hp you can have are not 2000 anymore but 1800, but you still got that pa and your hit points left to you are 1300 !

ffs the graphics explaining it very good cant you get it ?? i am gonna explode here, smoke comes out of my ears !

 

[Cush]

PA dmg is made before the debuff.. what you are saying there is right if the debuff stuck before the pa dmg. But as it dosent it aint right.

 

[Kahland]

Originally posted by Ithurts
LOL Rambo is really stupid tbh, he actually doesnt understand what we are saying.

Even my 7 year old brother would understand this but u cant? Does that make u dumber than a 7 year old?

Plz Rambo try this out before u come here and talk shit about people who know more about ur char than u do...

Try out the points in my last point and u will see that they are correct.

you suck though, you are wasting your time in the game in your useless realm in your useless guild.

:bore:

 

[froler-mid]

Ranbo , spend more time reading/understanding my posts instead of calling everyone names imo.




kinda kewl u just wont give up you homemade theory.....

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

You have such a way with words Kahland

It's cute, in a "My mom dropped me from a rooftop when I was small" way :|

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Rambo
no.

thats the problem, debuff only changing the number of the max hp you can have, just imagine as the graphics saying that the hit you give ( lets say a pa for 500 ) takes off the 1st 500 hp not the last, actually its a damage that his hp now missing, and after that, a debuff comes and say : mister your max hp you can have are not 2000 anymore but 1800, but you still got that pa and your hit points left to you are 1300 !

ffs the graphics explaining it very good cant you get it ?? i am gonna explode here, smoke comes out of my ears !

Take a look at the message you get when applying damage with a debuff (or any kind of poison) to an enemy.

you do YYY damage
"XXX looks weaker"

This alone indicates that you damage your targets current hit points, then damage the max hitpoints.
And if the numbers roll as they may - you can in effect even out your PA damage with a debuffdamage.

 

[constanze]

damm i can not beat rambo in 1 vs 1 but here i got a very good chance to flame him as a 3 year old child pressing garotte all the time..

rambo you smell
rambo you suck
rambo you dont understand the game
rambo you dont know nothing about math
rambo you cant kill a fly without your 2fg stealthers behind you

i hate you i flame you i blame you

and i got no respect for a guy who is 2 inf in europe atm and 50k behind the 1

rambo plz delete your char or run ungrouped unbuffed unstealthed and naked infront of my char so i can 2 hit you

btw Klav knows all listen to him !


ps: Constanze hugs Bolo

 

[Kahland]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
You have such a way with words Kahland

It's cute, in a "My mom dropped me from a rooftop when I was small" way :|

i cumsuck u every night at 10 you bast

:scared:

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by constanze
damm i can not beat rambo in 1 vs 1 but here i got a very good chance to flame him as a 3 year old child pressing garotte all the time..

does that mean if I can beat him 1 vs 1, I can flame him as a 3year old Garrote spammer ?

 

[Lanfaer]

If the debuff lands after you've already hit the target the only effect it will have is reduce maximum con (unless you hit for less than how much the debuff reduces the con), so in effect the debuff only effects str. If it was so that the debuff landed before first blow then you would do more actual damage to the target.

eg1: Perf for 600 and then apply debuff (-118con), depending on targets convshp-table the target will lose x amount of hp. If the target's a tank with 3xhp per con then you'll do 354 "dmg" on the target. This means that the debuff didn't help reducing hp in this case, only maximum hp.
Actual dmg to target: 600

eg2: Perf for 300 and then apply debuff (-118con), now you'll actually benefit from the debuff and you'll do 354 dmg, but this time only from debuff, since the total hp will now be less than you managed to reduced by hitting with weapon.
Actual dmg to target: 354

conclusion: there are a lot of clueless bastids in both albion and midgard

PS. imo an assassin that doesn't use highgrade poisons isn't a real assassin

 

[aarn]

RE: For Rambo.

Originally posted by chiefbootknocka
Emma look at your rps, then look at rambos.

I take it Rambo has no use for toilet paper in his household.

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Lanfaer
If the debuff lands after you've already hit the target the only effect it will have is reduce maximum con (unless you hit for less than how much the debuff reduces the con), so in effect the debuff only effects str. If it was so that the debuff landed before first blow then you would do more actual damage to the target.

eg1: Perf for 600 and then apply debuff (-118con), depending on targets convshp-table the target will lose x amount of hp. If the target's a tank with 3xhp per con then you'll do 354 "dmg" on the target. This means that the debuff didn't help reducing hp in this case, only maximum hp.
Actual dmg to target: 600

eg2: Perf for 300 and then apply debuff (-118con), now you'll actually benefit from the debuff and you'll do 354 dmg, but this time only from debuff, since the total hp will now be less than you managed to reduced by hitting with weapon.
Actual dmg to target: 354

conclusion: there are a lot of clueless bastids in both albion and midgard
<snip>

Actually - that is what most of us have said so far (except Rambo) ... so, maybe people aren't so clueless

 

[Petronella]

Re: RE: For Rambo.

Originally posted by aarn
I take it Rambo has no use for toilet paper in his household.

haha

 

[Urgat Rip-Eye]

OK.

I had this checked out.

This is for certain now.


1 - HP damage is applied first.
2 - Debuffs take effect after.

So.

In the following examples, these statments are in effect.

Tanks normal HP total is 2000
A succesful PA will hit for 500 damage
A sucsessful con debuff will reduce Total HP by 500.

i say that if you debuff for 500hp a guy who has 2000hp and you pa him for 500 then you must do another 1000 damage to kill him... ( his hp bar tho might be full after the pa )

This is only possible if you debuff first.

The game mechanics apply the PA damage first, then the debuf.

Lets clarify the two terms.

PA - ACTUALL DAMAGE TO HP
Con Debuf - EFFECTIVLY LOWERS MAX HP (note MAX hp - NOT current hp)

ok.

Tank is PA'ed.

He now has 1500 out of 2000 hp left.

Debuf kicks in

He now has 1500 out of 1500 HP.


In game this looks like this...


Just before PA

{||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||} (full bar - 2000/2000hp)

Just after PA

{||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||----------} (75% bar - 1500/2000hp)

A milisecond later when con debuf reduces max HP

{|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||} (Full bar - 1500/1500hp)


In reality, the debuf is too quick to see, so you dont actually see the bar move.


Rambo... i understand what you are trying to say... that the PA damage is applied retroactivly to the hp, but that simply cant be, the game mechanics dont allow for this.

Why do you belive this?

TBH it is easyly tested...

Get a tank friend to duel, note his total HP, then kill him. Go through logs to check how much damage you did.

Do this twice - once with a con debuf, once without.


**Edit... After thought... The only way you can be right Rambo, is if the game engine ADDS up damage done untill it passes your max HP total, instead of counting down HP damage from your max total. If this is the case, can you explain how you got this info, since every other person in the DAOC comunity asumed that HP are removed from HP total, and not Added up till they pass your total HP**

 

[klavrynd]

>>Greek t30 bumchums? Wow..... thats a bit..... race-specific?

No, t30 was mainly greek and the pbuck group rambo happily added on was (maybe with the odd example) entirely greek

>But to be expected from an obviously bitter, angry (potentially
>sexually frustrated) person; as the the overtone and content of >you posts that Ive read on this forum have conveyed......

Funny how you say that, i've skimmed through your posts quickly and they look exactly like the " an obviously bitter, angry (potentially sexually frustrated) person" you describe

>Is funny how you have that word "respect" in ANY of your
>posts;
>you obviously do not know the meaning of it... therefore
>rendering the above snippet utterly moot, pointless and just
>fucking dumb.

if you want to make a point, and use capitals to give it that little edge, make sure you've got your facts straight . With a quick look i haven't used "respect" in at least 100 posts .

i'm eager to see your definition of respect, but i'm betting you think it's a cocktail.


You need to learn alot about flaming/whining/whatever you want to call it.