Rant First Eruopean/Islamic woman with a headscarf in parliament

[Vintersorg]

Mahinur Ozdemir is the first woman in an European country who wears an Islamic Headscarf in Parliament

Again, I'm ashamed to be Belgian
All religious symbols are forbidden in parliament, but this is allowed...what's the logic of this?
Even stranger, she's representing the Christian Democratic party...

I'm not a racist, but this encroaching Islamisation of Europe is seriously starting to irritate me...Muslims are generally showing a blatant disrespect for the traditions of the European countries they reside in.
Even worse, when asked to adapt, they whine that they are being discriminated...

I wonder, is it this bad everywhere in Europe?

 

[Lamp]

Personally I think if a Muslim women wants to wear a head-scaff in her job it should be allowed. Same as a sikh man wearing a turban, or a Christian wearing a small crucifix around her neck, or a Jewish person wearing a star of david. We really should be grown up enough to accept people no matter what religion they are and to be professional about the whole thing and leave religion out of it.

Its funny how everyone says "I'm not racist but..." before talking about this sort of thing. I think there's racism in everyone to an extent. If you do harbour racist views, fine, but just be man enough to deal with the consequences. If you're genuinely not racist, also fine, but don't listen to all this politically correct liberal media-hyped parabole and think you have to justify everything you say in relation to religion with the forestatement of "I'm not racist but...".

 

[- English -]

Religion is outdated

 

[noblok]

Heh, didn't know we had such a moronic law.

 

[Thorwyn]

I'm not a racist, but...

Selfowned
Q.E.D.

 

[Marc]

I'm not a racist,

lol

 

[Sparx]

Personally I think if a Muslim women wants to wear a head-scaff in her job it should be allowed. Same as a sikh man wearing a turban, or a Christian wearing a small crucifix around her neck, or a Jewish person wearing a star of david. We really should be grown up enough to accept people no matter what religion they are and to be professional about the whole thing and leave religion out of it.

Problem is tho christians get asked to take their crosses off for fear of insulting others, so i understand what the OP is talking about

 

[mooSe_]

Personally I think if a Muslim women wants to wear a head-scaff in her job it should be allowed. Same as a sikh man wearing a turban, or a Christian wearing a small crucifix around her neck, or a Jewish person wearing a star of david. We really should be grown up enough to accept people no matter what religion they are and to be professional about the whole thing and leave religion out of it.

Its funny how everyone says "I'm not racist but..." before talking about this sort of thing. I think there's racism in everyone to an extent. If you do harbour racist views, fine, but just be man enough to deal with the consequences. If you're genuinely not racist, also fine, but don't listen to all this politically correct liberal media-hyped parabole and thing you have to justify everything you say in relation to religion with the forestatement of "I'm not racist but...".

Yeah but he said that 'All religious symbols are forbidden in parliament' so there will be no Sikh man wearing a turban, or a Christian wearing a small crucifix around her neck, or a Jewish person wearing a star of david; just a Muslim wearing a headscarf, which seems kinda unfair on the other religions.

 

[Chronictank]

Problem is tho christians get asked to take their crosses off for fear of insulting others, so i understand what the OP is talking about

no they don't
at least not in this country unless it is a health risk in which case it is liable not to

Yeah but he said that 'All religious symbols are forbidden in parliament' so there will be no Sikh man wearing a turban, or a Christian wearing a small crucifix around her neck, or a Jewish person wearing a star of david; just a Muslim wearing a headscarf, which seems kinda unfair on the other religions.

Is there even a dress code?

 

[tris-]

What has racism got to do with religion?

Nothing, thats what.

Like OP said, ALL RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS ARE BANNED IN PARLIAMENT, but somehow someone who is a MUSLIM (which is a follow if Islam, not a race of people, therfore no rasicm) is allowed their symbol in parliament.

Religion does not equal race.

 

[Lamp]

Its this entire "...for fear of insulting others..." media-fulled frenzy that irritates me. If someone's going to be upset by a little cross let them get offended.

 

[Sparx]

They do in the UK

Nurse quits job over crucifix ban | Metro.co.uk

There are better examples where people arent even allowed to put up national flags for fear of insult

And in my mates school, teachers arent allowed to wear religious symbols

 

[mooSe_]

religion sux bawlz

 

[Chronictank]

They do in the UK

Nurse quits job over crucifix ban | Metro.co.uk

There are better examples where people arent even allowed to put up national flags for fear of insult

And in my mates school, teachers arent allowed to wear religious symbols

Read the article, it is a safety risk because of her job
under the same remit sikh's have to wear a covering over the bracelet thing for example

 

[Chronictank]

What has racism got to do with religion?

Nothing, thats what.

Like OP said, ALL RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS ARE BANNED IN PARLIAMENT, but somehow someone who is a MUSLIM (which is a follow if Islam, not a race of people, therefore no rasicm) is allowed their symbol in parliament.

Religion does not equal race.

She could just as easily say it is just part of her dress and has nothing to do with relgion, their dress code is described as "formal" with no specific advice
if you look at press shots of their parliament they are wearing pretty much whatever they like if they are women provided it looks fairly formal, which a headscarf can

 

[Vintersorg]

Selfowned
Q.E.D.

lol

I'm Flemish
My wife is Syrian
The priest who married us is Greek.
Amonst my friends there are blacks, Arabs, and a few Indians.
No I'm not racist.

 

[Sparx]

Read the article, it is a safety risk because of her job
under the same remit sikh's have to wear a covering over the bracelet thing for example

Like i said bad example, but you do see in the news all the time of people being asked not to wear emblems as to not upset others.

 

[Vintersorg]

What has racism got to do with religion?

Nothing, thats what.

Like OP said, ALL RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS ARE BANNED IN PARLIAMENT, but somehow someone who is a MUSLIM (which is a follow if Islam, not a race of people, therfore no rasicm) is allowed their symbol in parliament.

Religion does not equal race.

I agree, theoretically, it's got nothing to do with Racism, but I've generally noticed that in such situations, Muslims tend to easily use the word "racism", when they are being adapt to integrate in our society...

 

[tris-]

She could just as easily say it is just part of her dress and has nothing to do with relgion, their dress code is described as "formal" with no specific advice
if you look at press shots of their parliament they are wearing pretty much whatever they like if they are women provided it looks fairly formal, which a headscarf can

I dont have a clue man, im just going off what the OP said.
Im just pissed off that everyone associates race to religion every single time and calls people who bash a religion a racist.
Everyone thinks im Sikh or even Muslim just because of my name and that I have browner skin than your average white bloke.

Infact I am an agnostic, and dont give a shit about Sikhism or Islam.

 

[Chronictank]

Like i said bad example, but you do see in the news all the time of people being asked not to wear emblems as to not upset others.

The news overhypes everything, i have yet to see one genuinely malicious article where there isn't a legitimate reason for it

 

[Ch3tan]

Like i said bad example, but you do see in the news all the time of people being asked not to wear emblems as to not upset others.

Take a long moment to think about this. You see these stories all the time in certain types of media. I'm not going to tell you it's all bollocks or that it is all true. Just think about what fair and balanced news coverage we get in this country and what they could possibly gain from stories such as these?

 

[Chronictank]

I agree, theoretically, it's got nothing to do with Racism, but I've generally noticed that in such situations, Muslims tend to easily use the word "racism", when they are being adapt to integrate in our society...

You will find people tend to use it on their behalf

As for the article at hand, is there an actual dress code outside 'formal'?
If there isn't then there is no real grounds to stop her wearing it as it is (as she is quoted to saying in that article), simply a personal freedom rather than any religious conotation.
In the same light there isn't really any 'disrespect' in that case is there?

 

[Ch3tan]

I dont have a clue man, im just going off what the OP said.
Im just pissed off that everyone associates race to religion every single time and calls people who bash a religion a racist.
Everyone thinks im Sikh or even Muslim just because of my name and that I have browner skin than your average white bloke.

Infact I am an agnostic, and dont give a shit about Sikhism or Islam.

It's scary when people you have known for years assume you are muslim because of your skin colour -nearly as bad as US Immigration.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm Flemish
My wife is Syrian
The priest who married us is Greek.
Amonst my friends there are blacks, Arabs, and a few Indians.
No I'm not racist.

Yes, yes you are.

You could be a black jewish native american and still be racist.

It doesn't matter one iota who are your friends and who you are, things like;

encroaching Islamisation of Europe is seriously starting to irritate me...Muslims are generally showing a blatant disrespect for the traditions of the European countries they reside in.
Even worse, when asked to adapt, they whine that they are being discriminated...

are discriminating and generalising. Aka, racist.

Maybe you should critisize the law banning religious things in parlament, not someone who has some.

That law is ridicilous.

 

[tris-]

WHAT
THE
FUCK.

Being a racist is disliking people because of their RACE (or ethnic background, I like that term better 'ethnicist') not their RELIGION.

 

[Ch3tan]

Yes, yes you are.

You could be a black jewish native american and still be racist.

It doesn't matter one iota who are your friends and who you are, things like;



are discriminating and generalising. Aka, racist.

But he is not discriminating by race, as tris- has already pointed out several times. Toht this is one of those times were the semantics really do matter.

 

[Vintersorg]

Take a long moment to think about this. You see these stories all the time in certain types of media. I'm not going to tell you it's all bollocks or that it is all true. Just think about what fair and balanced news coverage we get in this country and what they could possibly gain from stories such as these?

My wife encounters the same problem as you. Due to the fact that she's obviously oriental, people always automatically assume her to be Muslim. And for one of the descendants of the last 3 million survivors of a people who were massacred by the Turkish nation for refusing to convert to Islam, that's a serious insult...

 

[old.Tohtori]

WHAT
THE
FUCK.

Being a racist is disliking people because of their RACE (or ethnic background, I like that term better 'ethnicist') not their RELIGION.

Who gives a f*ck.

Same difference in any case.

But he is not discriminating by race, as tris- has already pointed out several times. Toht this is one of those times were the semantics really do matter.

As said above, same difference. Discriminating f*ck, racist, judging one whole group due to individuals etc etc.

 

[Lamp]

WHAT
THE
FUCK.

Being a racist is disliking people because of their RACE (or ethnic background, I like that term better 'ethnicist') not their RELIGION.

So what would you call someone who murders millions of people becuase of their religion ?

 

[tris-]

It's scary when people you have known for years assume you are muslim because of your skin colour -nearly as bad as US Immigration.

The worst one was my uni lecturer. Id been on the course for four years and in the last year it was ramadan or what ever its called. He saw me eating something and said "I didnt think youd be allowed to eat at this time of day?"

Who gives a f*ck.

Same difference in any case.

thats like saying you dont like people with blonde hair is the same as being a racist!

So Hitler wasn't a racist when he murdered 6 million Jews because of their religion?

Arnt Jews also a particular 'breed' of people, aka a race? At leas the people born as Jews rather than people who marry in.