Finspot and the list at 11. june. im sory ppl

[Jaapi]

taking over the finsspot after a servercrash while the original group with the list logs in 10 secs later is childish, lame and with no respect for your fellow hibbies.

After it came an animist playground the whole fins has been childish, lame and doesn't deserve any respect from anyone.

i dont understand this because fins is the one of a few admirable things about hibernia

You got to be kidding me.

 

[Tallen]

After it came an animist playground the whole fins has been childish, lame and doesn't deserve any respect from anyone.

Respect your opinions tbh Jaapi, but i feel fins lost it's integrity a long time before the animist invasion.

When they stopped using classic group set-ups (where all 8 players were needed and had to work together) and introduced "leach" spots is where it disintegrated....the idea that someone's lvl 20 alt deserves a spot in the group more than your lvl 4x whatever is sad.

Animists have simply recieved the torch from chanters.

Also it isnt fair to paint all fins groups with one brush, i have played there a bit recently and have been in a few really great groups of truly nice people (the loot-picker spot is a great idea imo, it allows tanks/stealthers and other non-finsie classes to level with the rest...it may be a little degrading to have a big strong hero running around picking up loot as his job, but it is necessary and it works).

Fins is now a pl spot for the mostpart, but with toa and si, there are many other great spots to farm xp (with better drops)

 

[Jaapi]

Respect your opinions tbh Jaapi, but i feel fins lost it's integrity a long time before the animist invasion.

That's true, but with animists it has gone a lot worse. Focuspulling didn't do much good to it either but if you count the number of free spots in the group then and now after all required classes (read animists+ leech), focuspulling was a bliss.
It has even become harder for healer classes to get there since the introduction of FoP.

 

[Dracus]

All nQQbs!!! crim fins ftw we used it plenty 4-5 months ago. You only risk gettin ganked once in a while...so setup shroom grp and attackers might not be so lucky!

/Dracus

 

[Simmern]

All nQQbs!!! crim fins ftw we used it plenty 4-5 months ago. You only risk gettin ganked once in a while...so setup shroom grp and attackers might not be so lucky!
/Dracus

Crim fins suck for animist leveling..

 

[Drummer]

My friend, zarkor, used to make normal Tank+pb grps 2-3months ago. And it worked!

Just put a il effort in making a grp. Takes 20mins.

 

[Simmern]

They spawn waaaay too slow..

 

[Pine]

Ronso rr 4 ml 4 hero
Pine rr2 ml 2 animist
deadredeye rr 3 ml 2 ranger
tinneth rr 4 ml 5 druid
snowslash r 6 chanter
taen rr 6 ml 9 merc
terminatar rr 5 infil
armstrong rr 4 bb

Now now tean no1 likes a liar you play hib lol your an alb through and through and dont ever take the credit for my char pine and deadredeye r my m8 tinneth r my m8 ronso r my m8 snowslash

your talking bout ppl not liking cry babie well ppl h8 liars even more!
your caught you sad man!

The real Pine & Deadredeye

 

[Simmern]

Guess Spleen aint his either, as he said in a PM..

 

[Tinneth]

tinneth rr 4 ml 5 druid

Hmmz where did i see him bfore , oh yer its me!!! , firsty that is old tinneth the druid ,Which i got to 50 and rr4, He is deleted, now i am a bard , lvl 44 and rr2, ml2 , Now plz don't try take cred for my chars again

 

[Pine]

Sorry taen didnt realise it was ronso all along

Dont take cred for my chars ronso w8 y am i callin you dat he is deleted to!

 

[Yeppy Kinkster]

Rarr! just noticed this post ( usualy post on Camlann forum )

I was there when the group "stole" main fins spot. The people who stole it are the guild "Requiem" from Camlann ( the bad ass people ) Heres their forum http://requiem.grizzu.de/index.php

Read their complaints forum ^^ Kure is their GM, he has moved here aslo. I'm not 100% sure who the rest are. But they aren't the nicest people in the world... prbly gonna make lots of unhappy people when they start stealing artifacts.. like they did on camlann.

 

[Taen]

well i had a word ingame with saks when i pmd him asking for a spot on the list - this is not a whine by me but a serious complaint - he isnt keeping a list because he doesnt believe in them ??

i dont understand this because fins is the one of a few admirable things about hibernia -i play alb and i play mid and im far from a low rr on both and i can tell you that hibernia comes across as a lot more welcoming and friendly for various reasons but one of them is the ability to keep such a good sense of order for example the fins list -

i think that its an acomplishment and an achievment to be able to control it and regulate it in such a way that fair is fair and all realm mates get called up on their turn - saks has changed this and dumped the list - why ? because he is just tryin to be awkard - if he took down even 4 names for each class it would insure no pms - no bws - no wasted time argueing over it - researching the coc and all that crap that goes with big headed arguements when people clash

i hate posting because i hate flaming whining and spaming whinge babies crying over spilt milk bs but in this case i think its a big deal - i was in fins when it was the first list was designed and it was originally there do ding hibernian tanks quickly as we had a serious hero shortage beta days - it then opened up to all classes after a few weeks and has kept going for months and months via a list - now some nobody - just another hibernian has come along and is willing to sacrafice the long term keeping of organisation out there because he or she is in the mood ?

im sorry but ive seen talked and deal with people like him before and all they do is this - they play a good enough game - they come across as nice - but every once in a while they switch to grief gamer mode and go back to being babies on a lunch time break -

now i know saks and others will reply to this and wait for it - they wont have a good arguement - they will try to flame me in an aggresive way - they wont try and resolve a situation because to admit ure wrong is to swallow pride and clearly saks aint up for that cause hes just too cool ...

also he says it aint his account and its his friends - that IS against daoc coc to play another persons account with or without permission-

one last thing is this - when we spoke ingame i wasnt as civilised as this as it was for our eyes only and it was through pm but now im posting and posting is not a place to call names or bluffs - to be a baby or be aggresive -
its a place to meet and greet and state a matter that u feel needs to be resolved so please dont do the baby thing by going - oh im lmao or lol newb or any of that because althought not being cocky - i have a large amount of high rr characters and have earned my respect and bread both on hib and on other servers so if u have a reply to this - pls make it senseable as i feel this is a serious matter -

especilly for me as i play in a pay-as-u-play cafe and i paid a 20 euro taxi to get here and 50 euro for a 10 hour session to go fins and now there is no list - yes i should have known better but i wouldnt mind if it was a case that it was full up

thanks for ure replys on this matter -

no beef - just settling

Ronso rr 4 ml 4 hero
Pine rr2 ml 2 animist
deadredeye rr 3 ml 2 ranger
tinneth rr 4 ml 5 druid
snowslash r 6 chanter
taen rr 6 ml 9 merc
terminatar rr 5 infil
armstrong rr 4 bb

Ok ... I just heard that this dude posted on my FH account ... as I work in a gaming lan it was probably on auto login .... He owns a char called Warlok and used to own a char called Ronso ... I dont know what the dipshit was doing claiming he owned my chars ... my chars appear in my sig ... Taen .. Doolittle and Armstrong. He also does not own any of the other chars he claims to own ... they belong to people who play in the lan I work in. So if u see or hear him talking shit claiming he owns all these chars please ignore him .. The only char he owns atm is Warlok

 

[d0hnut]

well i had a word ingame with saks when i pmd him asking for a spot on the list ... blah blah blah indeed!

Ronso rr 4 ml 4 hero
Pine rr2 ml 2 animist
deadredeye rr 3 ml 2 ranger
tinneth rr 4 ml 5 druid
snowslash r 6 chanter
taen rr 6 ml 9 merc
terminatar rr 5 infil
armstrong rr 4 bb

Backing Taen up here! The fellow responsible for the above drivel is indeed not the real Taen but rather the original hippie Ronso hero-fanboi-of-some-shef-bard-gimpo who deleted to play on Alb/Excal only to find a). Taen would in fact not PL him to any level and b). Albs were in general far less susceptible to his sinister schemes and wheeling-dealing type of business acumen than Hib's's's ever were

/slap to Taen for leaving his FH a/c on autologin in a p00blik place however! owned!

/bitchslap Warlok/Ronso for claiming all those toons for his own AND claiming he played beta lolz!lmao! I could spend the rest of the evening picking through that post but I got better things to do so I shall simply punch Warlok/Ronso in the face when I next meet him

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

I said we don't give a shit about what you think (if we took over the spawn or not, if it's wrong to not keep a list etc).

A list in our group would give us 2374632 unnecessary PMs/hour.
We have people we want PLed. Friends. All those would be before you IF we had a leech.
When we are finish, you are free to take the spawn and keep a list if you want to, cus we're not.

Tbh, its really shitty to steal another grps camp after a server crash... really shitty manners :|
That grp could been there for 10+ hours and due to a server crash/zone crash they were booted out and u took thier spot. Would be nice if u respected other ppl a little bit more and let them have it. You proberly dont agree on that at all...since they r just random nQbs, so why would u care, right?

// Sneakers

 

[Adari]

Tbh, its really shitty to steal another grps camp after a server crash... really shitty manners :|

They can't steal what didn't belong to anyone in the first place.

 

[Tallen]

They can't steal what didn't belong to anyone in the first place.

Technically your right, but its still inconsiderate

 

[Adari]

It is also inconsiderate to claim a camp, while not having the right to do so.

 

[Tallen]

It is also inconsiderate to claim a camp, while not having the right to do so.

Even though its a generally accepted practice in Hib, and has been since beta?

The only in-game rules that count are those generally accepted by the population, if 95% of people agree with it, does it mean that the 5% that disagree quoting CoC are right? Technically yes, but in reality they are simply blowing against the wind and being selfish and arrogant.

It is not inconsiderate to claim a camp (unless that spawn rate can support more than just your group), this is the way it has always been and it has, in the past, worked for the mostpart.

Almost 3 years of tollerance, consideration and general comraderie gives them the right. The population decide what is and isnt right, in the absence of any CS from GOA this has been the only way to make things work...it may not be perfect, but it is the most practicable solution.

 

[Grymdaal]

Even though its a generally accepted practice in Hib, and has been since beta?

The only in-game rules that count are those generally accepted by the population, if 95% of people agree with it, does it mean that the 5% that disagree quoting CoC are right? Technically yes, but in reality they are simply blowing against the wind and being selfish and arrogant.

what total and utter bullshit... jees... never read such crap.. just because 95% of America wanted to nuke iraq in 1990 doesnt the mean the other 5% should just bow down and take it in the ass because theyre a minority.. this is a large world we live in and neither you nor anyone else can stop someone doing what they want simply because it doesnt comply with your brainwashed majority Pwns all attitude.... and in trying to do so your being selfish and arrogant so you can get your own way.

 

[Fedaykin]

is there no other spots to level in hib :< ?

cly cly

 

[Adari]

Even though its a generally accepted practice in Hib, and has been since beta?

The only in-game rules that count are those generally accepted by the population, if 95% of people agree with it, does it mean that the 5% that disagree quoting CoC are right? Technically yes, but in reality they are simply blowing against the wind and being selfish and arrogant.

It is not inconsiderate to claim a camp (unless that spawn rate can support more than just your group), this is the way it has always been and it has, in the past, worked for the mostpart.

Almost 3 years of tollerance, consideration and general comraderie gives them the right. The population decide what is and isnt right, in the absence of any CS from GOA this has been the only way to make things work...it may not be perfect, but it is the most practicable solution.

There is a rule saying you cannot OWN a mob or a camp or something like that, you're wrong if you think 95% of the players disagree with that, heh. And whoever quotes the CoC/EULA in this case is right, yes.

Just because it has always been that way, it doesn't mean it isn't inconsiderate to virtually CLAIM something YOU DO NOT OWN in an online game. Rules or no rules, ethics or no ethics.

And what is that about 3 years of tolerance etc? You should see how much spam GOA gets about people stealing 'eachothers' mobs. This is the very source of most of the aggression that arises in this game. The population didn't decide owt, the population wants to keep its 'first come, first serve' thing, when it doesn't go the way they want, stuff like this happens, people who have the right to pull mobs on one side, people who think they have to right to complain about it on the other side, because of the fact no one has the right to claim anything, ethics or no ethics.

Also, I fail to see the reasoning behind mentioning the 'absence' of CS support from GOA. GOA make the rules, they enforce them and when shit hits the fan they sort it out - you cannae expect them to have a GM standing at every mob judging whether someone may attack it or not, implying something like that is ridiculous.

 

[Boni]

Gotta agree with Talen here, we as hibernians, as group leaders, GMs, alliance leaders, players, decide what is and is not right in our society.

Pointing at some poorly written CoC and saying 'this is the whole of the law' just aint on.

 

[Boni]

what total and utter bullshit... jees... never read such crap.. just because 95% of America wanted to nuke iraq in 1990 doesnt the mean the other 5% should just bow down and take it in the ass because theyre a minority.. this is a large world we live in and neither you nor anyone else can stop someone doing what they want simply because it doesnt comply with your brainwashed majority Pwns all attitude.... and in trying to do so your being selfish and arrogant so you can get your own way.

Yes youve compared bombing iraq to camping fins. Well done, I see you have the world in perspective and can weigh up both sides of this argument clearly

 

[Adari]

I disagree, the so called community makes their 'rules' for themselves, whereas GOA makes them in the best interest of everyone. Saying the CoC is poorly written is a pathetic flame that only implies how you don't get what you want.

 

[Boni]

I disagree, the so called community makes their 'rules' for themselves, whereas GOA makes them in the best interest of everyone. Saying the CoC is poorly written is a pathetic flame that only implies how you don't get what you want.

GOA make the CoC in their best interest, its rules are their maily to cover the legal problems that could be encountered when playing such a game. I have worked on online games before, and gone to lectures involving the rules and restrictions needed in online games. Our CoC is a shining example of just such a legal patchup, thats why I say its poorly written, as it doesnt actually do anything very usefull other than legaly cover their butts i.e. stop people doing stuff that could land them or the company in court.

Why you say I write a pathetic flame that only implies blaa blaa I dont know. Guess debate isnt your strongpoint today?

 

[Adari]

GOA accommodates servers in three different languages (English, French and German). You can connect to a server using a foreign language, but if you communicate on the main channels we would ask you please to use the language of the server.

Yep, they could end up in jail for people who do not speak English in main chat, and that is not in the best interest of the players at all.

Anyway, it seemed a pathetic flame because you didn't elaborate on it and just stated is as a random 14 yo whiner. However, we could go on and on with you quoting different sections of the CoC and me doing the same, let's skip that section, shall we...

..and get to the bottom line;

Sell crazy some place else, we're all stocked up here.

(10 points to the one who knows where that is from)

 

[Behmoth]

I disagree, the so called community makes their 'rules' for themselves, whereas GOA makes them in the best interest of everyone. Saying the CoC is poorly written is a pathetic flame that only implies how you don't get what you want.

ps this is not all about you adari just 1st 3 sentences

we are the customers and the customers should be always right.

we are the game without us it would have lasted less than a week

we are a community of fellow gamers and showing a bit of respect to your fellow people doesn't cost a lot. server goes down you try to log nothing, you try to log again niothing once more fro good luck nothing you leave it a couple of minutes in between slagging of goa shite servers you logg back on to disscover that people have formed a group and are staring to pull.yopu say "sorry we had a grp here server crashed just waiting for all to log back on"
you get back " didn't see you camping the spot we were here 1st"

yeah you didn't see us camping the spot we were trying to fecking log back in you total moron can your cretinous brain not understand that as soon as we log back in we will have to wait a few mins make sure all are comming back get replacements for those who think GOA have fecked up again and will take 15-30 mins(if your lucky) to reset server. No self self self no wonder you will not name and shame yourself you KNOW you were wrong ,but give it to real hibs and not some guild from another server who just want as many FOTM lvl 50's on all servers who will not name and shame when they know the names of the grp at fins.

well i've had a bad day and its only 8am

but beware any hibs u have gotten on the wrong side of for revenge is sweet

 

[Boni]

Guess debate isnt your strongpoint today?

Yup thought so.

 

[Adari]

we are the customers and the customers should be always right.

That is insanely idiotic to say. So we should be right in cases of scams, hacks, whines, flames, or whatever your average random 14 yo spouts out 24/7?

No offense, but if you really meant that you need to get your head checked. :|

we are the game without us it would have lasted less than a week

That's an arguement too easy to pull, if it wasn't for GOA - we wouldn't have the game. If it wasn't for hot water, we wouldn't have instant noodles. Good times, noodle salad. (10 points again)

we are a community of fellow gamers and showing a bit of respect to your fellow people doesn't cost a lot. server goes down you try to log nothing, you try to log again niothing once more fro good luck nothing you leave it a couple of minutes in between slagging of goa shite servers

Downtime happens, no mmorpg without it - live with it.

you logg back on to disscover that people have formed a group and are staring to pull.yopu say "sorry we had a grp here server crashed just waiting for all to log back on"
you get back " didn't see you camping the spot we were here 1st"

Crappy arguments on both sides.

you total moron

Constructive! Also a violation of the CoC.

can your cretinous brain ... grp at fins.

I agree with you that you should have had the spot. However, they have as much right as you have.

well i've had a bad day and its only 8am

Me too.

but beware any hibs u have gotten on the wrong side of for revenge is sweet

I hope revenge isn't somethign the CoC forbids or revenge might stab you in the back, which would be rather ironical!