FAO midgaard's PvE guilds

[Baduska]

I cba to read all these long posts, but its all the same stuff, don't really need to read it to get the idea.

Basicaly only comes down to what you can do, not who you are, its just turning into a "lvl a fotm char to rp farm" machine, I can't for the life of me work out how it can be fun.

As for my opinion, I don't care what these RvR (maybe some would call "leet")guilds do.

I don't think its much for a challenge running savage groups, cause your enemy hasn't much chance, unfair so to speak, goes back to what I said about rp farmin machine.

And, good luck under new management BO, new GM and all.

well each person their taste and thx for the best of wishes

annycase running a good setup really helps a lot, and yes meeting non optimized hib and alb groups tends to be a bit of a walkover, but what we really play this game for is fights Vs other guilds like us, like public enemies, nolby pride, eclipse etc. those guilds have setups that are optimized as well, and their players know how to react in every situation and therefore fighting those guilds are hardly a walk in the park, savages might be uber, but albs hibs have other uber stuff that offsets that, like spec af buffs from clerics, speed of sound, bunker of faith, group heal, enchanters, pets on hibs main healer class etc. etc. versus these groups fights are very tough and really depend on each of our players every move.

we could meet a guild with the same setup as nolby that are not as experienced and we'd probally kill them very fast, so experience has a lot to do with it as well

 

[Dumle]

we could meet a guild with the same setup as nolby that are not as experienced and we'd probally kill them very fast, so experience has a lot to do with it as well

And RR ^^

 

[Baduska]

And RR ^^

well ofc RR changes stuff, but if you gave those ppl nolbys chars they wouldn't do much better

Eclipse has higher RR's than Nolby, yet Nolby is harder than eclipse, not saying eclipse is bad or anything, and their new takig to strafe abusing is making them harder as well. just that nolby is a class over and very damn uber

 

[Dumle]

Absolutely, and as you guys they have played together long enough to know exactly how everyone reacts in most situations so that they dont have to hesitate that extra second, thats how fights are won.

Was the same thing in the last game I played, a few good guilds that totally dominated each server, and that game didnt have RA:s or items to blame it on, just pure skill and teamwork

 

[Section]

Ok, so..
Everyone decides how to play the game theirself.
If someone doesn't want a Thane in the group, let him leave it? Don't whine about..
Also, what Platina said..
It's all up to yourself how to play this game, no idea to flame BO or Maelstrom or EL or whatever..

 

[Classified]

Did Bloody and Makwaerk sell their accounts the style and beliefs of these two don't seem to match that of the Savage Conclave guys?

 

[blejs]

Did Bloody and Makwaerk sell their accounts the style and beliefs of these two don't seem to match that of the Savage Conclave guys?

same ppl, why?

 

[Classified]

same ppl, why?

Savage Conclave were more PvE (well items ) orientated. I am not criticising BO etc and never have done. Though I can feel they're frustrated at the jump on the bandwagon criticising, often by people who only belive what they read. Some of the values they are defending are not ones I believe they would have defended previously. They've changed I promise you.

 

[Mobius]

Did Bloody and Makwaerk sell their accounts the style and beliefs of these two don't seem to match that of the Savage Conclave guys?

Heh I thought the same. Not in a bad way, they just seem different to how I used to remember them.

 

[Classified]

"we see this as a competetive game of team deathmatch in quake 3"
"we dont interfere there, neither do we interfeer in RvR with you guys, exept that we dont like you to add on us, since we want fair fights."

I'm concerned at these bloody . RvR = realm vs realm. This game does have an rpg element to it even if its not obvious to those playing. I really hope if your expectations in regards to adds isnt met that you don't actually say anything to anyone adding. I certainly would ignore those wishes but then again I was happy to join in irc arranged duels where albs/hibs/mids all sat in the middle of the mpk and played together. Its a shame this game has lost a bit of its random element. Your all so focussed on minute detail that your posts seem to me to show an example of the spirit lost.

You can do both you know. I think the example of a thane having to quit because a BO healer threatened to leave is an example to work on. When your in a guild group perfect your art. When you want to RvR and end up joining a random group. let it be random.

 

[Glyph]

Thats why they left the guild...and I did.

Savage Conclave got a world to offer, but we were being abit to much rvr focused, which SC couldnt quite offer us. Its still the best guild in midgard imo, because ppl are so nice in there, its run by some of the best ppl ive met ingame (and irl), and ppl are helpful.

 

[Marcus75]

You can dislike alot of people but if you say the whole guild is bad that's as idiotic as saying that japanese people are stupid just because you talked to some that was. An idiot is always an idiot regardless of what and where he comes from - dislike the person, fine, but dont pull the ones around him down as well...that kind of stuff has been done with much more serious outcomes in our real life history and going down that road is really, really stupid and dangerous - be smarter than that. It may seem out of proportion but these kind of things start as something trivial and can grow to something horrible.

Lets all hug and make up instead.

 

[Krakatau]

Hugs are for hippies

 

[Fayle]

I've never had a problem with BO personally, in fact i used to run with their groups in the past on occasion.
However , and this is not aimed at BO alone, EVERY guild member is an ambasador of it's guild.
A guild that takes a certain person in, and let that person run around with it's guildemblem must take FULL responability for the actions of that person.
Should a member really insult/grieve other people then it's up to the guildofficers /gm's to take sanctions/kick that person, should they choose to ignore that person's faults they basicaly say that their guild suports that kind of behaviour.

 

[mikey]

I really think boom hasn't got it, maybe his ego is blocking his understanding, Jealousy about RvR from PvE guilds? erm not really firing on all cylinders there boom. As i said people don't like BO because your rude and immature.

Ouch, tbh that's the nastiest thing that's been said on this otherwise pretty civil "discussion", so might want to review who's rude and immature my friend.

Good luck with BO bud, seems like u don't pwn as much as u used to though , hope you get back on top!

Don't forget that several people started with thanes and other characters that have been deemed "non-optimal" in RvR. So people have spent lot's of their time making new char's so they can make a group that works in RvR. RP's aren't handed to people for being sworn into "elite" guilds, these people have worked long and hard to earn them by learning the best ways of using the tools at our disposal, be it savages or whatever.

i have nothing but respect for any guild that can win fights against nolby, eclipse, PE [givf more decent targets tbh , must be a pleasure playing against mids, being so gg target rich] it's not easy to beat these grps, u have evolve tactics, mebe go from targeting support classes to taking MA train etc.. so nuff respect to wicked gg's. I myself am proud of Mael/BO/Everlast for their achievements.
I don't think any of the above groups call themselves elite, they just want to have a decent fight against enemy realm gg's. Elitist is an apointed term from people not in tight RvR groups and often clearly meant in a derogatory context.

And tbph, even in PvE groups are often optimised. Bet half of the people that don't like elitist RvR guilds are PvE bot levelers who wouldn't dream of leveling with a hunter in group. How many guilds have had a guild hunt with spare spaces in a second or third group, but wouldn't invite someone from a different guild? Or maybe just a few of you, lvling exclusively, and leaving some poor guildless new player out. Expect lots of you don't group with players you have grouped with before because they are "n00b" [bet everyone has said that atleast once] and don't know how aggro works, or even what spells/styles they have, and u don't want to get killed by them not doing something right. Say you explain it over and over "don't heal that close, u will get aggro" but they keep doing it, annoying eh. All amounts to the same thing, except when it comes to rps, people who don't have many often get viscious because the guild's and people that do, only want to make groups that work.. well ofc they do.

 

[Tuppe]

I've never had a problem with BO personally, in fact i used to run with their groups in the past on occasion.
However , and this is not aimed at BO alone, EVERY guild member is an ambasador of it's guild.
A guild that takes a certain person in, and let that person run around with it's guildemblem must take FULL responability for the actions of that person.
Should a member really insult/grieve other people then it's up to the guildofficers /gm's to take sanctions/kick that person, should they choose to ignore that person's faults they basicaly say that their guild suports that kind of behaviour.

agree this 100%

 

[Tesla Monkor]

The problem is that the game is separated into several groups of people, each with their own playing style. These styles are only up to so far compatible, causing rather nasty clashes.

These clashes cannot be prevented without someone giving up their point of view, and each side claims to be the right one.

A) The RvR Guilds:
- Play DAOC purely for RvR
- Gear their groups and tactics in RvR to obtain the best possible result.
- Usually 1FG, rarely more.

B) The 'Casuals' + PvE Guilds
- Mingle RvR with PvE
- Usually run with semi- or not-optimized groups.
- Safety in numbers.

C) The 'Soloer' or 'Semi-Soloer'.
- Plays 1 or two to a group.
- Almost always stealthers.
- Safety in picking the fight and avoiding the other types.

The differences are obvious. The areas where they clash too - The RvR groups (A) are met with similar groups from other realms, and type B is caught in between, and slaughtered without mercy. Type C usually avoids both others, and is only ever caught when they have bad luck.

B complains about A and replies by building a better zerg and overcomes A. (Occasionally). A complains about B. C picks off the stragglers and camps the bottleneck areas in each zone.

As obvious as the problem is, so hard is the problem to solve. It's easy to say that we can live next to each other, but that is simply ignoring the problem, not solving it (however, this is what is going to happen, and we enter another round of whines.)

The best solution would be to mix A and B. Pure RvR Guilds and PvE Guilds merge. Why the hell not? Maybe that will cause a little understanding in both camps - If your guild is large enough, this should work. Typically an RvR only guild is not much larger than the group it runs with.

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I have one thing to add in the 'But he didn't rez me at point x.' discussion. IMHO, you should ALWAYS rez people if you see no visible enemies at their corpse. This alone would create a lot of goodwill from people.

To say 'Yeh, but whoever killed him might still be around.', is just a-social. So what if they're still around? You might get killed trying to help a fellow Middie.. So what.

Last sunday evening in OG we (OS) ran with 1.5 groups around.. we came across Nemesis which had just gotten it's ass handed to it by Albs, so we rezzed them. Eventhough we knew they were still around. Lo and behold, after we rez them and run down the road, we ran into 4FG of Albs. But we had fun, and Nemesis came to our help. We lost, but it was a great fight.

 

[Baduska]

only ress if you are 100% powers, if my healers ress when low on power i'll whine on them this is for tactical reasons and wont be changed.

mix pve guilds and rvr guilds bad idea.

savage conclave was a bit like that, and the pve ppl kept whinning on rvr ppl for beeing eliteist and xluding them from groups in rvr

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Well then, like I said, the status quo continues.. I'm only trying to help. ;P

 

[Zapsi]

Large guild with many people u dont know takes ages to get into the system of rvr.
tesla :To say 'Yeh, but whoever killed him might still be around.', is just a-social. So what if they're still around? You might get killed trying to help a fellow Middie.. So what.

Well then my fun is gone ,it total suck standing ressing go oop and then get jumped, but sure u farm items for me I come rez

U jump to conclution that would work for U and use words like A-social for things we take as normal.

Here be back calling each others names when we trying to hold it ?

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Zapsi, why do you think I added 'With no enemy in visible range'? I don't expect you to stop whenever you run across someone and drop whatever you do to rez them immediately.

But if you have the ability, the opportunity, and refuse to do so because you MIGHT get ganked in the process of helping someone because your powerbar isn't 100% full, then yes, I stand by my words.

That isn't specifically for RvR Guilds, either. It goes for everyone with a rez on their quickbar and doesn't rez eventhough he or she is perfectly well able to do so.

Not rezzing when you can do so really hurts people's trust in their realm and the people ignoring them.

U jump to conclution that would work for U and use words like A-social for things we take as normal.

And it hasn't occured to you that maybe, just maybe, that which you consider 'normal' isn't very nice to begin with? Perhaps something that can be improved?

For the record, I worded my first reply VERY carefully. I named noone, I named no guilds, I didn't even name any realms. The way I wrote it, it fits in ANY realm's point of view. YOU are the one who felt addressed by my concerns, and apparantly you consider it nasty to not rez people either, or you wouldn't have replied in the first place. I /am/ being civil here.

 

[Dumle]

Its not only "RvR" guilds out in the frontiers that dont ress even if the coast seems to be clear atm, cant even count the number of seers that has just run past me when lying dead in DF.
Have even had ppl that ran up to the spot we were pulling and not ressing but instead taking the spot and happily started pulling away while we waited until autorelease.

And for that matter, for me personally I often prefer to release when I die out in emain if Im further away then mmg... Why you may ask, quite simply because then I port, remove ressick and hopefully will be back in Emain faster than it would have taken to 1. Ress all in the grp 2. All in grp looses ressick 3.rebuff and get moving again. That is if you find a spot you can rest ressick away at and dont get jumped while sitting there.
That might just be me

 

[Zapsi]

Zapsi, why do you think I added 'With no enemy in visible range'? I don't expect you to stop whenever you run across someone and drop whatever you do to rez them immediately.

But if you have the ability, the opportunity, and refuse to do so because you MIGHT get ganked in the process of helping someone because your powerbar isn't 100% full, then yes, I stand by my words.

That isn't specifically for RvR Guilds, either. It goes for everyone with a rez on their quickbar and doesn't rez eventhough he or she is perfectly well able to do so.

Not rezzing when you can do so really hurts people's trust in their realm and the people ignoring them.


And it hasn't occured to you that maybe, just maybe, that which you consider 'normal' isn't very nice to begin with? Perhaps something that can be improved?

For the record, I worded my first reply VERY carefully. I named noone, I named no guilds, I didn't even name any realms. The way I wrote it, it fits in ANY realm's point of view. YOU are the one who felt addressed by my concerns, and apparantly you consider it nasty to not rez people either, or you wouldn't have replied in the first place. I /am/ being civil here.

Only save place to rez in emain is standing MTk, I rez when i fell like and have made 10000 % sure is safe and have full power bar, for the record I fell is sad to rez and they sit down and wait for power etc and get killed again.

Tesla what seems normal to U maybe seems very stupid to others.
We dont ask for special treatment when we go pve or such and when we die in RvR we release, still people ask us to give special treatment and we do try to help.

Actually we have to fit in to the form of pve that rest do, Iam sure we would like it different, just look at Malmo use to be full 18 hours a day, U go try surgest new things and get called names.

Iam sure from experrence in rvr we know when we can rez and when is save.
If is not 99 % save I dont simple as that. RvR is all this game is about for me and 1 rez less power can change a fight, some fights mcl2 4 power pots RP isnt enough.

 

[mikey]

The best solution would be to mix A and B. Pure RvR Guilds and PvE Guilds merge. Why the hell not? Maybe that will cause a little understanding in both camps - If your guild is large enough, this should work. Typically an RvR only guild is not much larger than the group it runs with.


Spoken like a true B

 

[Tesla Monkor]

I belong in group B. I wouldn't be able to sacrifice the rest of the game for purely RvR. I love crafting, PvE and to an extend RvR.

We all still need each other, though. Where would the RvR guilds be without crafters? Where would the RvE'rs be without the RvR people to show them the ropes? We all still cooperate when we raid for relics or keeps.

 

[Zapsi]

I belong in group B. I wouldn't be able to sacrifice the rest of the game for purely RvR. I love crafting, PvE and to an extend RvR.

We all still need each other, though. Where would the RvR guilds be without crafters? Where would the RvE'rs be without the RvR people to show them the ropes? We all still cooperate when we raid for relics or keeps.

Only place we need each other is RR atm, no mob is stronger then 3fg atm or is not worth killing sence nobody does.

What goes for crafters is something most RvR guilds have alot of.

Speaking for EL 17 members 3 1079 + alchemist 2 LGWC 1 LGAC 1 LGSC

Just like anything else that is needed for RvR we get it sorted and fast, think Mirri and I dinged 1079 alc 4 days after it came out, coz it could give an advange in RvR.

Now Toa will come and many think the casual player will be better of in RvR. It might happend but after along time sence the HC players prob get all done 4x as fast. By the time Mythic has something new out.

Keeps is something we take to get albs out of DF or to get Bonus in Rps or when to many of our own has gone so that our relic guard spam will be to low.

Only keep in frontiers really worth having is DC to go rebuff there, the big batles with the falling of stairs coz of lag and a cg full of so much none interresting Info is not something we enjoy often.

Said all this doesnt mean we cant interact and have fun when our roads do meet. wasnt long ago I xped some with U tesla at H-stones and I enjoyed it litle chat and good focus, people said have to 30m b4 and no whiiine about this and that.

 

[Aarween]

hmms... seams like we need to take math into this topic to explain the logic about not ressing...

I don't know exatcly what the common opted grp setup is today... but I guess at something like 3 healers 1 shammy...

for me, on my healer, when I ress a lvl 50 it cost me about 50% of my power... meaning if we have 4 seers (3 healers 1 shammy) we have pow ennough to ress 8 people... a full group...

that means... if we got a opted group that finds a group of middies dead they have to waste all of their seers power to ress these people...

If we still have in mind that the group that killed this fg of middies might still be around and that the risk is still there that they might get jumped by them... Even if they don't get jumped by the group they risk to run into something else while trying to find a safe place to rest up their seers power... and ofc, if not at mpk, they risk getting jumped while resting...

If you say not ressing isn't nice... then I don't think demanding annother group to risk their whole group to get killed because you wanted a ress esp. nice either ;p

They don't avoid ressing because they want to be rude... they do it because they know that it's likely that they will be killed if they do...

When you burn your fingers on the fire you'll learn it's hot...


edit: I myself do ress when I find other dead people in the frontier... just that I've learned that my way of doing things isn't the only way or the best way or the right way of doing it.

 

[Fayle]

Zapsi, why do you think I added 'With no enemy in visible range'? I don't expect you to stop whenever you run across someone and drop whatever you do to rez them immediately.

But if you have the ability, the opportunity, and refuse to do so because you MIGHT get ganked in the process of helping someone because your powerbar isn't 100% full, then yes, I stand by my words.

That isn't specifically for RvR Guilds, either. It goes for everyone with a rez on their quickbar and doesn't rez eventhough he or she is perfectly well able to do so.

Not rezzing when you can do so really hurts people's trust in their realm and the people ignoring them.


And it hasn't occured to you that maybe, just maybe, that which you consider 'normal' isn't very nice to begin with? Perhaps something that can be improved?

For the record, I worded my first reply VERY carefully. I named noone, I named no guilds, I didn't even name any realms. The way I wrote it, it fits in ANY realm's point of view. YOU are the one who felt addressed by my concerns, and apparantly you consider it nasty to not rez people either, or you wouldn't have replied in the first place. I /am/ being civil here.

Well, said Tesla.


btw if you find a dead group Mids that don't release, try rezz 1 seer, not needed to rezz all.

 

[Ctuchik]

I've said it before, and i'll say it again.

the main reason for all the biterness and hate is pure jealousy. random groups suck, its a known fact, they cannot compete these days so they cannot RvR. when they see BO / EL / Mael raking in shed loads of rps, getting high real rank, then doing high end pve with ooober RA's, it pisses the people off who want to do it, but cant.... so what they do is the pick on a single induvidual, or small group, out of an entier guild and lable that guild as eliteist pricks.

its sad but true.

never had a problem with BO, never will probably.... talked to most of them and they are nice guys imo. big respect and do great shit for the realm.

on a side note, i too get jealous, i want a decent rvr group, i wanna get rr8 etc, go wtfpwn enemies, but with rvr pickup groups as they are, it will never happen, so my advice to anyone else in the same situation.... roll an SB!

1:st, ive never ever been in a "opted" grp. ive died shedloads. but guess what. ive been having fun the few times ive been out rvr'ing..

sure theres ppl not having fun if they isnt 110% opted and can more or less spank anything they come across.. THAT is NOT fun for me! Fun for me is knowing that sooner or later u ARE gonna loose.. u just dont know when.. and that asstard BO healer is the one that acually should piss of from that grp.. not the thane.. HE didnt wanna run with one.. the others in the grp didnt say anything (atleast nothing that was in the post)

IMO, if the RVR guilds insist on running guild groups then ONLY run that then.. dont join the random grps and try to be a smartass. i still highly respect most of the ppl in any guild in midgard.. but imo... dont tell ppl how to play.... if the groupleader invites a person that thats his/hers desision. and if YOU dont like it... piss off...

fucktards that refuse to be in same grp as certain classes just coz "they aint 1337 enuff" makes me wanna uke:

 

[Moriath]

I never had a problem with opt'd groups who are put together to kill what they come accross. The principle is sound and is not an issue as long as those groups keep in mind that emain, HW etc etc arn't their own personal battlefields and that how ever much they want it a fg vs fg fight isnt always going to happen.

The main thing that annoys me is when ppl scream at you dont add dont add or pm abuse after.

You see an enemy and if u have a chance of killing them you attack otherwise try and out manuvore (sp) / escape from them.

Just because your opt'd doesn't give you exclusive rights to that other group running round emain.

If you get a fg vs fg fight be happy, if you get some ppl add into the fight shrug and move on and try and find another one.

Fighting at amg doesn't really promote a private fight btw.

If we could stop the don't add and pm abuse from it then I think RvR would be a nicer place to be.