Football European Cup Final

[cHodAX]

Cho

you will be able to shed some light on this. I was listening to 5Live podcast the other day and they metioned Man Yoo had a debt of £780m.

However you have the biggest turnover in the world, is that correct?

Yes, David Gill confirmed it sadly The yanks were unable to refinance due to the credit crunch, if they had managed it we would have had £610 million of debt. Basically the Glazers have bought a club for nowt.

 

[Wonk]

Anyway, the Barcelona game proved why I think Ronaldo is better than Messi. For all his cute dribbling around the edge of the box and pots at goal none of them went it. Ronaldo would have scored every one of those, he's more penetrative.

seriously, don't judge him after 1/2 matches where he just came back from his injury.

 

[tierk]

......Drogba but you can't deny he is the best player in the world at the moment.

Err yes i can, he is good but i wouldnt go as far as to say the best in the world.

 

[cHodAX]

Ronaldo gets loads of plaudits for his goals, but as an out and out winger he isnt great. The assits for Man Yoo are an interesting read Rooney and Nani are up there at the top IIRC.

Rooney is one hell of a grafter,

Agreed about Rooney's workrate but he needs to start scoring again, just isn't enough to take a strikers spot and not score regularly. As for Nani, his assist record in the first 3-4 months of the season was phenomenal but he hasn't played that much since then sadly.

 

[Corran]

Messi is far better.

Ronaldo have one big problem, he can't make any "effecient" dribbling. He got like 3 moves and 2 of them are unecessary and just for show.

Messi opens up new cans of whopass every game.

Unfortunately for all the skill Messi has, and when it comes to dribbling the ball arond people with the ball close to feet he is second to none, this often ends up with little result. That said he suffered through injury this year which didnt help that. However, take the Barca vs united match, Messi skill was unbelievable however all that came from it was a single shot, the rest he eventually lost the ball... yet against celtic, a weaker team, he ripped them completely apart and scored a good goal. So much like ROnaldo, weak teams he slaughters and good teams he loses some of the plaudit as nothing comes from it.

Ronaldo may disappear against some top games, but he will always have an influance. Just look that throughout this season there just one English prem side he did not score against (i believe)... and that was Man City whom he only played 1 match against. Sure the goal against chelsea was in the final not the league... but the point is no matter the team he can score against them and often will... and that is why he is a match winner.

Ronaldo gets loads of plaudits for his goals, but as an out and out winger he isnt great. The assits for Man Yoo are an interesting read Rooney and Nani are up there at the top IIRC.

Rooney is one hell of a grafter,

Ronaldo is NOT an out and out winger... it is not his job. He is an attacking midfielder and that means his job is to attack in a position he can expose the opposition. The final is probably one of a very limited number of games where I seen him hug the touch line this season, and that was because he could expose essien. Ronaldo is a floating attacking midfielder and not a winger. It annoying people class him as a winger and go on about assists, as that was not his job this season. Some teams rely on the winger to put the ball in the box to the attackers, but when you got an attacker like Ronaldo you play his strengths which is cutting inside and getting a shot off.

 

[Corran]

Agreed about Rooney's workrate but he needs to start scoring again, just isn't enough to take a strikers spot and not score regularly. As for Nani, his assist record in the first 3-4 months of the season was phenomenal but he hasn't played that much since then sadly.

Nani's set piece taking, especially corners, can be sensational. That is going to be a massive asset to the team. Put in more dangerous corners then any other united player this season, and when he werent playing and we got a corner I always found myself wishing he was on the pitch, especially in times we needed a goal

 

[Darthshearer]

I think Nani has made a bigger impact than Fergie would of hoped for this early on?

 

[Raven]

Err yes i can, he is good but i wouldnt go as far as to say the best in the world.

I meant Ronaldo. Drogba is horse shit

 

[Corran]

I think Nani has made a bigger impact than Fergie would of hoped for this early on?

Nani and Anderson both have made a massive impact earlier then expected. Anderson came in to cover injuries and was just amazing, which quickly made him one of my fave players in the team. The guy is gold, and he is crazy, only thing he needs to stop is the imaginary yellow card. Was hoping he get a goal this season but Im sure he bang a few in next year.

Nani was influential and made an impact, but he is still a lose cannon. His temperment needs putting in check but Fergi will easily do that, just need to see Rooney. Only other thing is the guy can be very, very wasteful at times however Im sure he become more of a team player soon. I think he just trying to mirror Ronaldo's style that little bit too much and hasnt got the finishing ability at the moment to do so.

But one the biggest surprises was Park. I think he truelly stepped up to the plate when called on. Never rated him however he proved me wrong, going forward he aint the best but his tracking back and work rate was amazing. I think the fact the new young midfielders arrived made him realise he has to work to take Giggs place, he was no longer going ot just walk into it, and as such performances became more solid.

 

[georgie]

You wait 'til Aaron Ramsey, then you'll see magic.

 

[soze]

Yes, David Gill confirmed it sadly The yanks were unable to refinance due to the credit crunch, if they had managed it we would have had £610 million of debt. Basically the Glazers have bought a club for nowt.

Ouch that just makes me think the way you splash cash about currently is even more dangerous now. Would be interesting to see how much the Glazers take out of the club for them selves or if everything goes back into the war chest.

 

[Vladamir]

Interesting thing i heard (can't remember if it was on SSN or not) but supposedly Madrid had agreed terms with Ronaldo, although not Man Utd.

Though they were trying to bypass Gill and go straight to the glazers, presumably to try and offer a pretty large sum to cut those debts down a bit.

Anyway in Chelsea news, big changes coming up apparently. Whilst maybe playing personnel needs alterations, apparently Kenyon has branded Grant's 6 odd months in charge not good enough.

I fucking hate that ****, Grant has exceeded all expectations, Kenyon can die in a fire

 

[Darthshearer]

I do find some of Grants teams selections and subs odd though.

 

[amodien]

Ronaldo is staying and will be confirmed next week, he will go to Spain when SAF retires after beating Liverpool's record in a few years time

 

[Vladamir]

I do find some of Grants teams selections and subs odd though.

Initially they were quite odd, ill be the first to admit that.

However when he got his act together he hasn't put a foot wrong IMO - the changes against Arsenal that turned the game around (offside goal or not Soze ) were pivotal.

Apparently Kaka and Robinho are prime targets according to sky sports, i hope not, the last thing we need is more big name flops

 

[tierk]

I meant Ronaldo. Drogba is horse shit

lol oOoops!!

 

[Jeremiah]

I think all they really need is a right-back and a decent quick striker. With the resources being poured into youth these days, cant they promote someone to cover that right back spot? When Ashley Cole got promoted from the Arsenal youth set up, he took a few months to settle, but was solid by the end of the season =)

 

[Corran]

Interesting thing i heard (can't remember if it was on SSN or not) but supposedly Madrid had agreed terms with Ronaldo, although not Man Utd.

Though they were trying to bypass Gill and go straight to the glazers, presumably to try and offer a pretty large sum to cut those debts down a bit.

Anyway in Chelsea news, big changes coming up apparently. Whilst maybe playing personnel needs alterations, apparently Kenyon has branded Grant's 6 odd months in charge not good enough.

I fucking hate that ****, Grant has exceeded all expectations, Kenyon can die in a fire

Spanish Fanzines are full of rumour about Ronaldo, apparently meant to try and unsettle things... however Ronaldo has come out and said he will be at United next season and will sign a new contract week. I believe the problem with the contract is to do with image rights, guessing he wants a bigger cut of them and to be honest you cant blame him for that. But he wont be going this summer, that I am pretty certain, especially when apparently Madrid are talking about 50million only which is no where near enough to even contemplate it.

As for Robinho, apparently the deal to take him to Chelsea which is being talked about is so that they can raise said 50million to buy Ronaldo and that they also will need to sell at least 2 other players to get the funding to attempt it. Wether they will do the deal without being able to get Ronaldo I do not know, we will see.

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Anelka refused fifth penalty | The Sun |HomePage|Sport|Football
Lol at Anelka's comments, I think after 6 months you are gonna have to think about shipping him out with that attitude.

 

[Darthshearer]

Spanish Fanzines are full of rumour about Ronaldo, apparently meant to try and unsettle things... however Ronaldo has come out and said he will be at United next season and will sign a new contract week. I believe the problem with the contract is to do with image rights, guessing he wants a bigger cut of them and to be honest you cant blame him for that. But he wont be going this summer, that I am pretty certain, especially when apparently Madrid are talking about 50million only which is no where near enough to even contemplate it.

As for Robinho, apparently the deal to take him to Chelsea which is being talked about is so that they can raise said 50million to buy Ronaldo and that they also will need to sell at least 2 other players to get the funding to attempt it. Wether they will do the deal without being able to get Ronaldo I do not know, we will see.

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Anelka refused fifth penalty | The Sun |HomePage|Sport|Football
Lol at Anelka's comments, I think after 6 months you are gonna have to think about shipping him out with that attitude.

Henry said something similar and was off a season later wasnt he?

Contracts are worth nothing today tbh.

 

[Corran]

Henry said something similar and was off a season later wasnt he?

Contracts are worth nothing today tbh.

like i said, he be at united next season. Beyond that I cant comment as I know eventually we will lose him to Spain. But while SAF is in charge then they do upmost to keep him. Beckham and RVN were no longer wanted that is how they went to RM, but Ronaldo well good luck in raising the required funds to buy him. As even with the debt of the club, the income raised easily keeps it in check, and to sell Ronaldo would actually harm the cash flow in the long term.

 

[Vladamir]

Spanish Fanzines are full of rumour about Ronaldo, apparently meant to try and unsettle things... however Ronaldo has come out and said he will be at United next season and will sign a new contract week. I believe the problem with the contract is to do with image rights, guessing he wants a bigger cut of them and to be honest you cant blame him for that. But he wont be going this summer, that I am pretty certain, especially when apparently Madrid are talking about 50million only which is no where near enough to even contemplate it.

As for Robinho, apparently the deal to take him to Chelsea which is being talked about is so that they can raise said 50million to buy Ronaldo and that they also will need to sell at least 2 other players to get the funding to attempt it. Wether they will do the deal without being able to get Ronaldo I do not know, we will see.

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Anelka refused fifth penalty | The Sun |HomePage|Sport|Football
Lol at Anelka's comments, I think after 6 months you are gonna have to think about shipping him out with that attitude.

In fairness though you can see why - he's been brought on with the sole purpose of taking a penalty. It's hardly ideal, especially when a number of other players could've taken one.

I don't think he'll be off - he voiced his thoughts because he was told he'd be playing in a 4-4-2 and not out on the wing. With Drogba looking evermore certain to be on his way out hopefully the change of personel will see us use 4-4-2 a little more next season. It would be foolish to sell him after 6 months.

 

[Corran]

aye would be foolish, but the way in which he said it could be taken that he threw the game, afteral he never looked like he could be bothered to take the penalty when he did... sure that not the case but something to be wary of with him. Afteral he always been a sulker.

And look at anderson, and balleti for that matter. Came on with even less time. Anderson came on, 10seconds later the whistle goes for penalties. And look at what he done. Nice and simple, blast it straight down the middle. Im so glad we got a guy like that instead of Anelka, whom can be a great player but from the start let money do the talking, not the football.

 

[Wonk]

but from the start let money do the talking, not the football.

and Anderson didn't? I bet he accepted the best offer.

 

[Corran]

and Anderson didn't? I bet he accepted the best offer.

I wont go into where Anderson comes from or his history.. but money is the least of that lads worries.

Anelka has always been about the money, not the football. If you followed his history in the slightest then you would know what his brother (his agent) and Anelka has been like throughout his time. It is little wonder the lad hasnt been able to find a club to stay with.
Watch Anelka's body language and then compare it with Andersons body language. Watch the way the two of them go about on and off the field. Then come back to me and tell me which player seems to have the great love of the actual game of football.

 

[amodien]

The biggest mistake Anelka made was leaving Arsenal..

He also admitted that himself back along.

 

[Wonk]

I wont go into where Anderson comes from or his history.. but money is the least of that lads worries.

Anelka has always been about the money, not the football. If you followed his history in the slightest then you would know what his brother (his agent) and Anelka has been like throughout his time. It is little wonder the lad hasnt been able to find a club to stay with.
Watch Anelka's body language and then compare it with Andersons body language. Watch the way the two of them go about on and off the field. Then come back to me and tell me which player seems to have the great love of the actual game of football.

I dont think anyone said Anelka wasn't going for the money.

 

[Corran]

I dont think anyone said Anelka wasn't going for the money.

no, you implied that Anderson's main focus is the money where as that wasnt his reason for being a) in football, or b) why he went to united

 

[soze]

no, you implied that Anderson's main focus is the money where as that wasnt his reason for being a) in football, or b) why he went to united

How do you know b is true every player give it the same i have loved xxx all my life it has always been my dream to play for this manager and play infront of these fans. Unless you are his agent you will not know if he turned down other offers worth more money to play for you. I'm not questioning his heart he gives his all but seems silly to think he signed just to play for Man U.

 

[Wonk]

no, you implied that Anderson's main focus is the money where as that wasnt his reason for being a) in football, or b) why he went to united

Open your eyes mate. He joined United because they gave him the best offer - which is understandable.

He would probably be in Madrid/barcelona/milan now if they could come up with a better deal.

And no, im not saying his focus isn't on the football.

 

[Darthshearer]

Lost The Premier League?

Lost The Carling Cup?

Lost The Champions League

Lost A Parent?

Speak To Frank

Sorry, ill get my coat