News Englands a third world country?

[rynnor]

BBC News - Pope aide pulls out of trip after 'Third World jibe

Lol - what a dick - latest PR disaster by the Catholic church - sometimes its like watching a train wreck in slow motion...

 

[Raven]

Who gives a fuck what he thinks The Vatican seem to think they still hold some sort of political and social clout.

Though what he says is near to the truth, I wouldn't be that bothered if half the population just fucked off tbh.

 

[rynnor]

Who gives a fuck what he thinks

Though what he says is near to the truth, I wouldn't be that bothered if half the population just fucked off tbh.

Yeah but who wants the opinion of an ex-hitler youth tbh - he must get on well with the pope - I wonder if they have a secret handshake

 

[Moriath]

must have got out in straight into brick lane and thought it was Pakistan or something

 

[Ch3tan]

I read this earlier, how they allow these idiots to give interviews without a PR aide is beyond me. First he said it's a third world country, then they try to explain that comment by saying it's a reflection the diversity of the UK population. Facepalm is not enough.

But hey, I'm quite happy to live in an aggressive atheist country, if only there were more of them.

 

[Raven]

He is probably just pissed off we wont let them play with children any more.

 

[Wij]

Bar them from the country tbh. An 'independant state' which actively hides peadophiles is not one that we should allow visits from. Until they hand over all records relating to abuse in this country and pay for their own security whilst here the pope can damn well keep out.

 

[cHodAX]

Nah it will take the Tories at least 3 terms before we hit 3rd World status.

 

[throdgrain]

It does look a bit like a 3rd world country round Heathrow though

 

[Wij]

Nah it will take the Tories at least 3 terms before we hit 3rd World status.

Disagree with the prediction here violently but I am vastly disappointed that Cameron made even any positive comment about the Papal visit. Probably to be expected but it's about time we stopped fawning over these filth as a country. Maybe Cleggy will say something sarcy at least

 

[cHodAX]

Disagree with the prediction here violently but I am vastly disappointed that Cameron made even any positive comment about the Papal visit. Probably to be expected but it's about time we stopped fawning over these filth as a country. Maybe Cleggy will say something sarcy at least

Violently eh? 2 terms instead of 3 then?

 

[Kryten]

The pope needs shooting. Tired of the whole shebang already and they act like children. Which is quite useful as they like to play with children.

These tweets from the real Kryten (Rob Llewellyn) made me laugh though

"Racist red dress wearing bigotted old twat, no apologies."

"Ahh, the lovely Papal advisor. "The UK is a third world country of aggressive atheists." "Oi, God boy, want some?!'"

 

[Turamber]

There is a huge contradiction in this country where secular values are cherished but political leaders go to church and the Queen is the head of the Church of England. I don't like some of the silly views espoused by some atheists - people who believe in God aren't "stupid" and religion has contributed a great deal to the development of mankind.

But wouldn't it be fair to say most third world countries are Catholic?

 

[Raven]

Lets not have another debate on religion

Can we all agree though that the pope and his mates are a set of *****?

 

[DaGaffer]

I quite like the idea of being labelled "A Nation of Aggressive Atheists". We should put it on the "Welcome to The United Kingdom" signs at customs.

 

[ramathorn]

fucking joke. carpet bomb vatican city. the world would be a much better place without them.

 

[Scouse]

When I land at Heathrow I'm always struck that it's very much like entering a police state, rather than a 3rd world country.

No "Welcome to England! Have a great stay!" signs or anything. Just millions of CCTV cameras in grey corridors which are lined with flourecent-jacket wearing security and signs all over the place telling you what's prohibited and how many laws you could potentially be breaking and how much the police are watching your every move...


But apart from that. Fuck the pope. Preferably in the ass. Preferably against his will.

 

[rynnor]

The popes now on about 'atheist extremists' what bollocks - I'd love to see a comparison of those killed by religious extremists v atheist extremists

 

[Raven]

Not to mention the millions infected with HIV because of his bullshit about condoms. He is an absolute bell end. Fucking nazi peodo protecting arsehole.

 

[DaGaffer]

The popes now on about 'atheist extremists' what bollocks - I'd love to see a comparison of those killed by religious extremists v atheist extremists

Weeeell, there is Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedung and Pol Poht in the atheist camp. The religious extremists are probably ahead on points but the atheists clearly have their moments. The common factor of course is that they are all human beings, and human beings are c**ts.

 

[Ch3tan]

hehe

 

[Scouse]

Lol! Nice

I'm pretty sure that the problem with Stalin and Mao wasn't that they were atheists, but that they were powerful politicians.

 

[DaGaffer]

Lol! Nice

I'm pretty sure that the problem with Stalin and Mao wasn't that they were atheists, but that they were powerful politicians.

They were both pretty big on religious persecution (although Stalin also opened the Churches when the Germans were outside Moscow), so I don't think you can ignore atheism as part of their general makeup.

 

[Ch3tan]

The total cost of the Pope's stay to the taxpayer will be between £10m and £12m, with the bill for policing estimated at an additional £1.5m. < The beeb, fucking hell. Pay yourself you tight ****!

 

[JingleBells]

Well he's arrived:
YouTube - pope visit

(Shamelessly stolen off Lecter on IRC)

 

[ramathorn]

Weeeell, there is Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedung and Pol Poht in the atheist camp. The religious extremists are probably ahead on points but the atheists clearly have their moments. The common factor of course is that they are all human beings, and human beings are c**ts.

the shit mao and stalin did was not motivated by religious belief (or lack of), it was because they were nastey, sick fuckers with very wrong idea's about how the world works. they just happened to be atheists.

 

[DaGaffer]

the shit mao and stalin did was not motivated by religious belief (or lack of), it was because they were nastey, sick fuckers with very wrong idea's about how the world works. they just happened to be atheists.

Atheism was an intrinsic part of their ideology. You can't on the one hand decry all the evil done in the name of religion, and then deny that logic when it comes to Marxists. The clue is "in the name of" - a lot, probably the majority, of religious crimes were actually an excuse for political or economic agendas, and Marxism's (or Leninism's, Maoism's or any other -ism's) anti-religious rhetoric was exactly the same.

As anyone who's read these forums can attest, I'd be the last person to defend religion, but I'm not blind to the idea that atheism can have an ideological aspect, and any ideology can be used to persecute those who have different opinion.

 

[Scouse]

They were both pretty big on religious persecution (although Stalin also opened the Churches when the Germans were outside Moscow), so I don't think you can ignore atheism as part of their general makeup.

Their atheism wasn't the motivating point in their atrocities tho? It's a fallacious argument to draw a parallel between their atheism and their actions IMHO. An attack on a church doesn't necessarily mean it's motivated by atheism.

In catholicism (and presuming we're discounting conspiracy 'theories') their performance of the irrational action called 'believing' was the foundation of the thinking behind the atrocities. The belief that they were doing "gods work". It was also this belief that acted as the mobilising force for the armies of christians that were involved.

 

[rynnor]

Weeeell, there is Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedung and Pol Poht in the atheist camp. The religious extremists are probably ahead on points but the atheists clearly have their moments. The common factor of course is that they are all human beings, and human beings are c**ts.

Pol pot - raised as catholic and became a communist - in terms of ideology I think you could argue communism as a religion.

Stalin - raised in the Georgian Orthodox church - he even went to seminary but got kicked out because he couldnt afford the fees -again you'd have to put his religion as communism - he correctly identified other religions as a threat to his own rule and in the fine old tradition of religious wars cracked down on the others.

Mao Zedung - raised as a Budhist but converted to communism - I'm seeing a pattern here

 

[Scouse]

I agree with ramathorn (feels good that someone else is making the arguments I'd have made before I jump in headfirst!)

The clue is "in the name of"

In Stalin's case, it was in the name of Communism - not atheism.

The common denominator is all these people performed the actions called belief.


Atheism, I'd argue, is the lack of belief (not the belief in nothing).

Atheists, therefore, can't wind themselves up enough to commit mass slaughter/kiddy fiddling and then find themselves innocent of any crime 'cause they "believe" what they're doing is "right"