Politics Election 2019

[Scouse]

Someone needs to shoot Truss in the face.

 

[Trem]

@Trem

Liz Truss defends energy firms saying profit is not evil

The Tory leader hopeful says profit is not "dirty" and windfall taxes were about "bashing business".

www.bbc.co.uk

Profits aren't dirty but profiteering is and that is what is happening. These firms are raping people, they are disgusting, greedy, scumbags. Much like Johnson and his ilk.

 

[Raven]

There will be mass, civil disobedience before the year is out.

 

[Trem]

There will be mass, civil disobedience before the year is out.

There needs to be. It needs to be violent and prolonged. We need to be more French. How are people not incredibly angry?

 

[Wij]

There needs to be. It needs to be violent and prolonged. We need to be more French. How are people not incredibly angry?

We've been conditioned over decades into thinking that regulating markets to help people is marxism and woke.

 

[Wij]

And that poverty is a personal failure, to be laughed at.

 

[Wij]

Snowflake cunts should just get a better job.

 

[Gwadien]

Subdued underclass, distracted working class, appeased middle class and a laughing upper class.

 

[Raven]

Yep, but that subjugation, at least financially, is starting to bite the middle classes. Few are escaping. "life tax" utility bills, accommodation costs, food costs, fuel, are going through the roof. People have less or no money to spend, less freedom.

 

[Raven]

Postmen are going on strike on the 26th...they got offered a massive £500 bonus, that would just get swallowed by the gas man anyway.

 

[Trem]

Postmen are going on strike on the 26th...they got offered a massive £500 bonus, that would just get swallowed by the gas man anyway.

That's fine, at least the bankers had an above inflation pay rise. It seems there is money available just not for working class.

 

[Scouse]

That's fine, at least the bankers had an above inflation pay rise. It seems there is money available just not for working class.

We're letting people go. Some banks in UAE got them across the board.

It's a question of in-demand skills tbh - attrition is running at about 30% in our tech teams - they can walk into new jobs at 25% pay rise.

 

[Raven]

I got 9% with a slight promotion, have done most years for the last 10 years or so, but can't see myself getting much next year, staying at the same place. But I like working there... 7 minutes by car, 20 by bike.

 

[Trem]

We're letting people go. Some banks in UAE got them across the board.

It's a question of in-demand skills tbh - attrition is running at about 30% in our tech teams - they can walk into new jobs at 25% pay rise.

But the little people are being told that pay rises will increase inflation. That's my point.

I'm fine with pay rises just not the bullshit that stops companies/government giving them.

 

[Wij]

Pay rises for poor people keep the economy moving and prevent misery.

Tax cuts for rich people just allow them to push up house prices and buy Twitters.

 

[Scouse]

But the little people are being told that pay rises will increase inflation. That's my point.

I'm fine with pay rises just not the bullshit that stops companies/government giving them.

It's true - pay rises will increase inflation. It's also why the BoE has increased interest - it takes money off loan-holders and therefore they have less to spend. Having less available cash in the population is exactly the mechanism they're using to cool down the economy.

However, people with in-demand skills will walk into another job at 25% increase - so they're getting pay rises. Companies don't want to turn around to people and say "you should have studied harder" and "it sucks to be you". The government can't replace nurses and the like so easily, but it's a vocation - so they get fucked over because of that.

It sucks balls all around. Profitteering is rife - it always is (that's the whole point of capitalism - bent as a nine bob note) but right now it's easy to see.

If you start talking about systemic change though you're fucked. The system has captured 99.9% of the minds of the entire population. You start talking about fucking around with a system that's literally designed to rob the masses and the masses will turn against you - in part because they're so close to the breadline that they're terrified that they could potentially be worse off.

To be honest - if you talk systemic change on this forum you get shat on, so, frankly, meh.

 

[Trem]

It's true - pay rises will increase inflation. It's also why the BoE has increased interest - it takes money off loan-holders and therefore they have less to spend. Having less available cash in the population is exactly the mechanism they're using to cool down the economy.

However, people with in-demand skills will walk into another job at 25% increase - so they're getting pay rises. Companies don't want to turn around to people and say "you should have studied harder" and "it sucks to be you". The government can't replace nurses and the like so easily, but it's a vocation - so they get fucked over because of that.

It sucks balls all around. Profitteering is rife - it always is (that's the whole point of capitalism - bent as a nine bob note) but right now it's easy to see.

If you start talking about systemic change though you're fucked. The system has captured 99.9% of the minds of the entire population. You start talking about fucking around with a system that's literally designed to rob the masses and the masses will turn against you - in part because they're so close to the breadline that they're terrified that they could potentially be worse off.

To be honest - if you talk systemic change on this forum you get shat on, so, frankly, meh.

My reply will be shorter.

Wage rises raise inflation but obscene profits don't?

My problem is the language around it all. Dave the postie can't have a rise but Shell can make 9bn with tax breaks on top? Fine, don't give pay rises but also stop the profiteering. But only one of those two things will happen.

 

[Scouse]

Wage rises raise inflation but obscene profits don't?

Available cash is the issue - if you've got shit to spend then you'll pay over the odds on <stuff>. If you've no money to spend then corporations can't charge as much.

Right now they're profiteering to shit - which, of course, increases prices. But short of asking all companies nicely not to do exactly what they're designed to do there's no mechanism to force them to stop.

My problem is the language around it all. Dave the postie can't have a rise but Shell can make 9bn with tax breaks on top? Fine, don't give pay rises but also stop the profiteering. But only one of those two things will happen.

Systemic change m8. But we won't go for it. Because we're a whipped slave race.

 

[caLLous]

 

[Trem]

Yet people blame the media for this bone idle piece of shits downfall. Borderline cult members.

 

[Embattle]

Ministers admit 34 hospital buildings in England have roofs that could collapse

Exclusive: Renewed fears ceilings at affected hospitals could suddenly collapse, injuring staff and patients

www.theguardian.com

 

[Embattle]

The only thing to drink will be the sewage, massive popular beach in North Devon which was very busy today:

People warned not to swim at Saunton Sands

One of Devon's most popular beaches has been labelled too polluted to swim in by the Environment Agency

www.devonlive.com

 

[Tom]

A change in the law to say "if you don't stop tipping turds into rivers within a certain time frame, we'll take your franchise off you and nationalise it" would have solved this decades ago.

Other countries manage to separate the two.

 

[Embattle]

I keep hearing how much it'll cost to take the companies back into public ownership but that is BS, you just set hard targets for a sector that never should of been private since there is no possibility of competition.

The assorted regulators have just been utterly shit.

 

[Wij]

It wouldn’t take any money to bring them back into public ownership if you just pass a law to do it.

 

[Raven]

Rwanda asylum scheme: Warning over political killings before UK flight

Ministers were told the Rwandan regime tortures opponents weeks before the first flight was due to go.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

I worked on the privatisation of England’s water in 1989. It was an organised rip-off | Jonathan Portes

Taxpayers lost out, and consumers have paid through the nose ever since. This failed regime is long past its sell-by date, says economist Jonathan Portes

www.theguardian.com

 

[Yoni]

Is this a ’Glen’ as I could not see it anywhere?
I guess these comments will please those voting her in….

Liz Truss accused of branding British workers lazy in leaked audio Liz Truss accused of branding British workers lazy in leaked audio

 

[Trem]

Is this a ’Glen’ as I could not see it anywhere?
I guess these comments will please those voting her in….

Liz Truss accused of branding British workers lazy in leaked audio Liz Truss accused of branding British workers lazy in leaked audio

Not a Glen mate, think it's only come to light today.

 

[Embattle]

Is this a ’Glen’ as I could not see it anywhere?
I guess these comments will please those voting her in….

Liz Truss accused of branding British workers lazy in leaked audio Liz Truss accused of branding British workers lazy in leaked audio

As Trem said it isn't a Glen in terms of her, you may have it rattling around in your head because other MPs have been reported as saying something similar in the past.