Duke Nukem Forever

[BloodOmen]

Aye, there was a time devs enjoyed giving people a nice experience... over the years they turn into greedy fucks tho (in all fairness its all about making money but they can do that and give people a nice experience)

 

[Ctuchik]

I think personally that it's the people demanding good graphics over good gameplay that's "forcing" the devs to do this shit. Some people just can't imagine playing a good game with mediocre graphics nowadays...


This game being the exception to break the rule i guess, i'm not sure just how finished the game was when it got cancelled so it's hard to tell if the new developer screwed it up or the old ones.

 

[Everz]

Who gives a flying fuck about graphics? It can look the nicest pos out there but if the gameplay is terrible then I won't touch, some of the best game I enjoy have awful graphics, but what they have to offer in terms of enjoyment and longetivity is way beyond caring about the graphics.

Says something the last game I've bought (minus FM) was Red Faction nearly 6 years ago.

 

[fettoken]

Who gives a flying fuck about graphics?

Indeed. People just need to discover this. It is not so much the graphics as the game engines i loathe. Somehow, when developers license engine tech from other developers, their game does not end up very unique, it just looks the same as every other.

I want developers to make their own engines from scratch even if it means delaying the game. That way it will be unique. From uniqueness comes charm. And without charm, you wont play a game for long.

Duke Nukem Forever just feels very derivative. Copy of any other fps out there.

Anyway, back to my original point. Games nowdays make people stupid (more than before)

It might just be the nostalgic value, but i think they should start making games like they did "before".

 

[Embattle]

People who claim graphics mean nothing are just as silly as those who claim it means everything.

The issue with DNF seems simple in that nothing seems to of been developed in 15 years yet it comes with the usual premium price.

 

[Yaka]

But these days it looks like the developers woulda rather save time by just starting with a shit game they can't improve due to console limitations and I fucking hate it.

its all to do with money mate
well combination of piracy for devs and the cost of having a "decent" pc for end user is an issue for pc. id software is a perfect example theyd be still be concentrating on pc if the money was there valve are only an exception right now becuase of steam which has been a masterstroke for them.

 

[Raven]

There is no reason why you can't have good graphics and good gameplay. Devs are just fucking lazy these days.

 

[Helme]

They have a pretty seriously dumb mentality in that everyone should get to see all content, which seriously limits gameplay. It's not economic to introduce several alternative passages because some people might not take them, and then the money spent is wasted. Taken to it's extreme you have Dragon Age 2, where no matter what you choose the game plays out identical anyway.

 

[Embattle]

3/10 on Eurogamer.

 

[Yaka]

yikes, thier reviews have been quite spot on of late.

 

[Yaka]

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not duke releated, but not worthy related to last couple of posts

 

[BloodOmen]

There is no reason why you can't have good graphics and good gameplay. Devs are just fucking lazy these days.

yep, its because they want to get the game out as fast as they can these days thus they focus on graphics and forget the gameplay. its all about the $$$ now not the customer experience.

 

[Chronictank]

Graphics aside (although the lighting effect is pretty cool)
I thought it was pretty mediocre console port tbh

The vehicle sections (and ridiculous number of turret ones) are tedious and dragged out, the controls are awful (has the same mouse lag issues console ports suffered from)

Duke's quotes pull it back because of nostalgia value and you have some fun fights but there is a lot of dullness in between (think ODST)

Very very average with bad controls, and that is because its Duke Nukem if it was an unknown title i doubt i would have bothered persisting

I would strongly suggest renting it as its not worth £30

 

[MYstIC G]

Cheers. This goes onto the "when on sale on Steam" list.

 

[Ctuchik]

Cheers. This goes onto the "when on sale on Steam" list.

That's still paying to much for it, get it when it's on sale on D2D.com or something that charge in USD. Steam is horribly expensive even with their "sale" prices.

 

[MYstIC G]

You might think so, I'm fine with paying £3 to £5 for games like this.

 

[BloodOmen]

Sat playing Duke Nukem HD now just to try get abit of Duke loving back after Forever destroyed it.

 

[Ctuchik]

UGH!

Ctrl+Alt+Del

He didn't quite get the point did he?

Duke Nukem Forever is finally out this week. I haven't played much of the game yet, but the bit I did play was... well, it was a video game. It ran on my computer, and showed up on my monitor, and I could interact with it via my mouse. That's probably the nicest thing I can say about Duke Nukem Forever.

I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting a good game. Last year when Gearbox made this huge announcement that they'd acquired the rights to the game, and would finally be finishing and releasing it, everyone made a pretty big deal about it. I quietly pondered why people even cared about this game anymore.

I can only imagine that the legend of the game... the stigma surrounding it's development saga is the only thing fueling the hype, and ultimately, will be the primary thing that sells any copies of this game. Point of fact, that's why I bought it, expecting full well it would be trash. It's been such an industry joke for over a decade, myself guilty of making jokes about it, that it was mostly a morbid curiosity to see the thing to its conclusion, for better or worse.

And having watched videos of it, and read about it, and played some of it, I really feel that Duke Nukem Forever was better as a vaporware legend than it is in reality. And had that infamy not existed, I have a hard time believing that anyone truly thought to themselves "You know what we need? Another Duke Nukem game."

I'm not entirely sure where you would even place the blame for this game. Having enjoyed Gearbox's other games, I'm reluctant to say it's their fault. In fact, it's pretty clear it isn't. Everything about Duke Nukem Forever screams attention to it's decade-long development cycle.

The game is outdated, clunky. The Duke comes of as borish, sexist, immature and unlikeable. He was an outrageous parody back in the '90s, a tongue in cheek take on action heroes, even borrowing some of their one-liners. Duke was violent and crass, and I think we loved him back then because that was all new territory for a video game.

Also I was ten when I first played Duke Nukem, so all the violence and swearing and "babes" was exciting, like staying up late to watch an R-rated movie I wasn't supposed to see.

He hasn't aged well, and now I find Duke annoying.

From a sheer gameplay standpoint, I can't find much to like either, aside from fleeting moments of pure shooty goodness wherein I briefly recall the glory days of Doom and Doom 2. These shooty bits are broken up by a lot of awkward platforming and racing mini games.

Gearbox said to themselves "Hey, let's buy the IP and finish this thing", and I can't imagine why. Nothing about DNF that I've seen begged to be released to the public. It does nothing new, it brings nothing fresh to the table. And at the same time, it falls flat as a "throwback", as a nostalgia shooter from back in the days when times (and first person shooters) were simpler.

I haven't played multiplayer yet, but from what I've read, and heard from friends who have played it, it fares no better than the core game.

I have no doubt that there will be people that enjoy it, that find some charm in it. Really though, I suspect most people who buy it will do so for the same reason I did. For some closure. To say "yes, DNF finally came out. And I played it."

Now let's leave Duke in the past where he belongs.

 

[Wij]

Playing through this now. Amateurish doesn't cover this game

 

[BloodOmen]

its fucking terrible isnt it? played it through on hardest difficulty once and never touched it again :l possible the worse fps i've ever played.

 

[Aada]

I got about half way through and just thought this is utter shit and i can't even be bothered to finish it.

 

[BloodOmen]

I just love it how the devs basically called the community ungrateful cunts for slating it (didnt use those words obv)

 

[Aada]

Aye so fucking ungrateful for paying money for the longest ever game in development and then not having the right to say how bad it was.

 

[BloodOmen]

Its like I said, don't make games if you can't take criticism, if anything the devs are cunts for expecting people to like such shit after playing the old original duke nukem.

 

[Yaka]

still to play this, but is it worse than dakitana?

 

[Wij]

Barely remember Daikatana.

This is best experienced as a deconstruction of the FPS genre

It's still playable but it boggles your mind sometimes at how they could have decided on the design. Bits of it look like Quake 2 era too.

/edit: I think Gearbox were in on the joke too. Some of the load-screen tips are wtf !?!

 

[BloodOmen]

still to play this, but is it worse than dakitana?

Ok not quite the worse Dakitana still holds that crown, this is 2nd tho.

 

[Wij]

You'd expect it to be an action packed shooter, like Serious Sam, but it isn't. Very little happens

 

[BloodOmen]

its your typical fps of this generation layed out corridors with little option for exploration.

 

[Wij]

Modern shooters are big on atmosphere though. This game is almost silent most of the time