DToC - Anybody using

[Nalikin]

Mythic have recently annouance a statement regarding DToC . Here is what they said :-

[Mythic quote]
Here's the announcement many of you have been looking for - the official word on the application known as DTOC.

The fan-created utility called "Dark Tool of Camelot" directly interacts with our client, and intercepts our data stream. As such, it is a violation of our rules of conduct, one of which states: "Any disassembly or modification of any of the Game's executable code, databases and/or files. Nor may you interfere with or attempt to decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Dark Age of Camelot. Doing this will result in immediate termination of the Account and may subject you to civil and/or criminal liability."

We ask that everyone using this program voluntarily stop using it until such time as the program complies with our ROC and EULA. We will be aggressively pursuing and removing users, because the tool is causing harm to our game.
[Mythic Quote]


Now i know mythic don't run euro daoc , and that GOA does , but i would expect them to take pretty much the same stance on it


[Edit]
Ack , only jumped to last read post , and didn't spot someone else had already posted this above . Ah well
[Edit]

 

[Tesla Monkor]

If Mythic claps, GOA hops. Don't for a moment think that if Mythic bans a program like DToC (Which they did) that GOA will allow it.

GOA is bound very tightly in what they are allowed to do and what they aren't. It's not a case of 'Here's the serversoftware, install it and do whatever the hell you want with it.'.

 

[Alrindel]

Mythic makes all decisions about what players are and are not allowed to do. There is only one exception that I can think of where the GOA and Mythic codes of conduct are not the same: the Mythic CoC prohibits individuals from having characters in different realms on the same server (except for PVP and co-op servers), while the GOA CoC permits it conditionally, if you are reported misbehaving you are banned.

If GOA suddenly announced that, say, radar hacks and craft macroing cheats were allowed on the European servers, Mythic would be pissed off to say the least, and I bet a shiny new penny that GOA's license explicitly forbids them from doing something like that.

 

[Flimgoblin]

that and the european servers would get a reputation for allowing cheaters and there'd be a mass exodus...

so it's in GOA's interest to ban this program as well. There's no reason for them not to take the same stance as Mythic.

 

[-Lonewolf-]

I am sure now the maker has made the necessary adjustments that Mythic will issue an official statement

 

[Keri]

Re: Glendower

Originally posted by old.Glendower
Might be worth noting that, as we are continually reminded, Mythic does not run the game here...GOA does. So what Mythic says is crap.

Also, even if GAO was inclined to try and hack people's comps to attempt to detect this, I doubt very much that they would have the expertise to do so, lol!

What Mythic said is not crap, as can be seen from the following reply I got from them after asking what their stance is on DToC:

Subject
---------------------------------------------------------------
What is GOA's Stand on DToC?


Discussion Thread
---------------------------------------------------------------
Response (CS) - 01/29/2003 02:41 PM
Greetings,

An official stance has been made by Mythic on this yesterday, and this is the one we assume as well. The specifics can be found here:
http://www.camelotherald.com/more/725.php

We will make an anouncement about this in the upcoming news.

Best regards,
---------------------------------------------
European Dark Age of Camelot Customer Support




Pretty much says that if you don't stop using it, you risk being banned. Seeing as some people have stated publicly that they are using it, there's a chance that their accounts will be carefully scrutinised.

 

[Jupitus]

News popped:

http://camelot-europe.goa.com/news/newsarticle.php3?id_article=742

 

[old.Glendower]

wrong

Hate to break it to you guys, seeing as how you are all experts on contract law (particularly US law that deals with franchising), but GOA doesn't have to enforce ANY of Mythic's policy decisions regarding allocation of resources. This includes giving any more than lip-service to dealing with DToC.

This is demonstrated by the fact that there is no in-game support, for instance, even though Mythic says there is as part of the service.

GOA has also stated that they don't want to devote resources to this issue (i.e. money). Another example of the GAO policy of being half-assed quacks.

As I said before, GOA's trained chimps are not likely to have the skill to shiit themselves without leaking onto the floor, much less to track packet-sniffing programs.
Even if Mythic develops them an auto-detect utility, there is no way to see DToC's passive features. All those things can do is look for certain keystrokes that transmit commands to the server, and without human follow-up investigations (which GOA is too cheap to provide!), you cannot establish how those keystrokes came about.

 

[Keri]

But you might want to read the post above yours again Glendower, GOA choose to follow Mythic's policy WRT DToC, and state that accounts have been banned for using it. Anyone silly enough to have said on this forum that they use it, shouldn't be surprised to find they can't play any more.

 

[old.Glendower]

Well, that is true...assuming they read english over in GOAland, and anyone is stupid enough to post here saying that they do use the proggy.

For my part, I am just arguing the technical and political aspects...and flaming GOA in the bargain.

I enjoy both of these activities, and neither is a bannable offense .

Anyone who gets banned will just go pay a few bucks to get a new game. In a week or two they will be lvl 50 again and in full SC gear, so who cares?


Oh...forgot to mention; As far as the claim of banned accounts goes.... While it may be true that Mythic has banned folks for things, I think GOA is talking out of its collective ass if it tries to claim that they have found and banned anyone here for using DToC. Of course, they talk crap all the time, so no surprise there.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Glendower
Oh...forgot to mention; As far as the claim of banned accounts goes.... While it may be true that Mythic has banned folks for things, I think GOA is talking out of its collective ass if it tries to claim that they have found and banned anyone here for using DToC. Of course, they talk crap all the time, so no surprise there.

The news was referring to 'third party applications' - I've no idea if they've banned anyone with DToC yet (I'd hope not as it was a bit of a grey area for a while...) but they've banned some other cheats.