TV Dr Who - Why?

[Edmond]

Thats cos i take it for what it is, a TV show thats a bit of family fun, nothing more and nothing less

 

[Ch3tan]

And that excuses them from making an effort because? It might as well be reality TV trash, they are insulting the viewers intelligence in teh same way.

 

[Edmond]

No they make reality TV trash for people who have no intelligence in the first place, Dr Who is made for/by people with a little imagination

Its not aimed at 60yr old's who watched the first series as children, who remember all the alien names and planets and wee their pants when the Dr gets out his sonic scewdriver, and then cry cos the original didnt have a blue light on it 'how dare they.....blah...blah....blah'

Its made for a new generation of young and old fans who want a bit of escapism on a Saturday night, who are fed up with X Craptor and the like

Why is everyone getting so anal about it?? anyone would think its as serious as football.......oops, did i mention the 'F' word

 

[Ch3tan]

Because it failed to susped my disbelief. I'm not a Doctor who nerd, I couldn't care less what happened before.

Fucking hell, if we accept that kind of trash then we give them license to continue in the same vein.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Tennant was a great Doctor but hampered by totally shit scripts and storylines.

Only S1 of the 'New' Dr Who was watchable, and even that had some awful bits. It did have some good bits though. Nothing I saw outside of S1 was even remotely cringe-free.

 

[MYstIC G]

No Edmond, just no. You're just being a Toht substitute at the moment.

I really quite like Dr Who, I liked the ones Eccleston, I liked the ones with Tennant. All 3 of the specials were rubbish in relation to other episodes of Dr Who.

Personally it would have been much better to have had have him die in the battle with the Daleks and Davross. Heck the god awful episode with the bird that played Zoe in Eastenders was better than this finale.

 

[Edmond]

No Edmond, just no. You're just being a Toht substitute at the moment.

That cuts really deep

 

[Jiggs]

I think the excitement around the Baker to Davidson change was greater to be honest

 

[rynnor]

However, There were some stonkers of episodes - Family of Blood, Blink, Silence in the library, The Empty child. Tennant was amazing in ALL of these,

Empty Child wasnt Tennant tho

Family of Blood was ok but ruined by a non-existent ending of Deus Ex Machina - suddenly the Doctor is posessed of godlike powers and doesnt even bother to show how he defeated them - just fait accomplit.

I think its the endings of episodes that they really struggle with - the writers come up with some potentially interesting scenarios but they suck at writing an ending that doesnt wreck continuity.

 

[rynnor]

Anyone else notice the nods to Star Wars? The way all the timelords were assembled like the senate is in SW? The millenium falconesque way they went to the guns to shoot down the missiles? Barrowman in the Mos Eisley Cantina?

That's the first Dr Who I've watched since Tom Baker I think, are they always so blatantly plagiarist?

Part 1 summoning the Master back had a real Harry Potter - Voldemort coming back feel too - I dont mind that too much tho as long as theres still a decent plot and its not just a series of pastiches.

All the best Sci fi seems to come from the US these days...

 

[Sparx]

Personally it would have been much better to have had have him die in the battle with the Daleks and Davross. Heck the god awful episode with the bird that played Zoe in Eastenders was better than this finale.

i agree

I loved Tennant and will be a shame to see him go but i think they should have got the new guy in then and not do the whole regen into the arm thing

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I expect Dr. Who to be cheesey. I've really enjoyed the trashy fun of the revamped Doc

The finale was just a bit too full of holes for it to satisfy.

 

[Wij]

The end made no sense at all. It's a fucking revolver. But it seemed the master had dark Jedi powers (wtf) and Timothy Dalton had some super-power glove, yet they both cowered for about 10 minutes from an old revolver.

WTF ???

I'll ignore the fact that a huge planet appearing next to Earth would have fucked up Earth beyond repair immediately. That's the sort of thing I will suspend disbelief because it's light fun sci-fi so who cares. But a revolver vs superpowers that are plainly shown to be kick-ass ? Different matter. Stuff like that happens all the time in RTD scripts. Things that not only don't make sense in relation to reality but that don't make sense in relation to stuff that just happened.

BOLLOCKS TO IT. All this year's eps were shit.

 

[ford prefect]

I'm with Edmond on this. I thought it was quite well done really. Lets face it, the whole show is aimed at 10 - 15 year olds and as always is done on a shoe string budget, so picking it apart and over analysing it seems a little sad to be honest. The writing was OK, the story fit with previous episodes for the most part and the acting wasn't too bad. OK John Simms wasn't amazing, but then the guy probably spent three days doing nothing more than changing his clothes.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I'm with Edmond on this. I thought it was quite well done really. Lets face it, the whole show is aimed at 10 - 15 year olds and as always is done on a shoe string budget

Dr Who has the highest budget of any BBC1 drama, so I don't know WHAT you're talking about. This was the case in the 70s, but hasn't been since it's return. They've literally thrown money at it.

 

[adams901]

I thought the last episode was a complete anti-climax, the big build up to the time lords returning, and they are only back for about 5 mins then got rid of again.

The other thing that annoyed me was the fact they had a big build up to tenant dyeing, when in fact all it was is another regeneration.

I thought it would have been far better if Dalton vaporized Tennant with the glove, and then wilf regenerated into the new doctor after absorbing all the radiation, they could have made it so Wilf was a doctor from the future who had stored his Time Lord Consciousness in the revolver much like one of the other time lords did with the watch.

 

[Ch3tan]

But he did die.. He sacrificed himself for Wilfred, the radiation triggered the regeneration. And as he said previously, regeneration is the same as death, nothing is preserved that makes him who he is.

 

[JBP|]

apart from he knows his name,he's the last of the timelords and knows how to work the tardis

 

[rynnor]

And as he said previously, regeneration is the same as death, nothing is preserved that makes him who he is.

Apart from all his memories - death of a body but survival of the mind doesnt really count as death if you ask me - bits of your body die and are regenerated constantly - do you have a little funeral for dead skin cells?

 

[Ch3tan]

You are both being stupidly pedantic and you know it, what I was getting at is that his personality dies.

 

[ilaya]

you know how wilf was a soldier from the war... they missed a trick there... a war against the daleks surely (as he did appear in a movie previously)

give some old baddies.. like the sea devils, ice warriors and zygons.

 

[rynnor]

You are both being stupidly pedantic and you know it, what I was getting at is that his personality dies.

How can it tho - if he has all the same memories hes going to react in the same way to stuff, he'll react to people he knows the same way etc. etc. - picking up a few new affectations doesnt change your basic personality and in a personality over 900 years old how much change could you really expect.

To be a new personality you would have to wipe his memories.

 

[MYstIC G]

But a revolver vs superpowers that are plainly shown to be kick-ass.

tbh the glove was the only kick ass one. The Doc took a blast from the master and nada. That in itself makes the ending more shit that the master suddenly did more damage when protecting the Doc???

 

[Ch3tan]

Actually the master knocked the Dr to the floor, and the master shot what 3, 4 blasts at the president?

 

[MYstIC G]

Maybe, I remember it as one long blast on the Doc -v- 3/4 blasts on the President tbh.

That said either way we know the glove can disintegrate people in seconds and transform the populous of an entire planet...

 

[Gumbo]

I forgot to add emperor style lightning hands to my Star Wars references that they stole for that ep. I've lost so many nerd points. /me shakes his head.

 

[russell]

What a great thread.

I've missed you Freddies... all the analysing and analysing and analysing.

I respect your opinions and agree with many. I will miss Tennant, I am pleased Moffat is taking over, yet am worried about the new Doctor- but at the end of the day it is family entertainment.

I dont think it warrants this complete over-analysis.

If you like it watch it, if its not your cuppa dont.

If you want to rant about how disapointing it is, fine. But just remember what it RTD is all about (the Dr's relationships with people and his humanity). Maybe Moffat will be more into the 'accurate purer sci fi element' you lot seem to want.

Its horses for courses but I loved the sentimental last episode and booed and booed, as did my children. So maybe it was aimed at girls

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

A lot of it is not over-analysis. The finale just had more holes in it than gorgonzola thats just been in a gunfight

I also agree with Ilaya's comment - it would have been so sweet to see a reference to Berny Cribbins Dr. Who movie appearance or at least some reference to it. That should not be taken as a criticism of the finale, just a reference to a missed opportunity

 

[Jupitus]

last episode and booed and booed

You're just hormonal

 

[russell]

You're just hormonal

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