Dr David Kelly

[Embattle]

I find all this media coverage a little bit over blown IMHO, in fact the whole case tends to make me wonder who actually gives a fuck since I don't find, or know, any one who really talks about it.

 

[[PS]Mung]

Aye well, we all have different interests and different circles of friends.

I think the government had him killed off to keep him quiet.

 

[Will]

I've been reading about this quite a bit. Its a quite interesting, though its more in a detached theoretical way than a "the government killed him" tabloid style.

 

[Teh Krypt]

Get labour out!

 

[[PS]Mung]

Tabloids are great, no news, just celebrity tat.
I mean, who needs to know about the political machinations surrounding the Kelly affair?
I just want to see gorgeous birds with their tits out!






(Don't tell the wife)

 

[adams901]

The Sport is the only Tabloid worth buying.

 

[PR.]

Add me to the don't care list.

The war has happened, its done, we won, gg. Instead of wondering about a sexed up dosier or if there are and if so were their Weapns of Mass destruction are, stop wasting all this money on an investigation and go and give it to the Iraqi people!

I'm getting a bit sick and tired of seing on the Tele the iraqi people moping about, its no good doing stuff 'behind the scenes' they wanna see stuff happening. When that water pipe got blown open it was a hole no bigger than a kids head within 2hours they should have had an armed guard down there and engineering team with a sheet of metal put it over the top weld it in and its fixed... done, it actually took them 24hrs which is still pretty good, but they always seem to be sooo slow to react to events

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Originally posted by PR.
Add me to the don't care list.

The war has happened, its done, we won, gg.

I find it funny that both the UK and US Governments, and most of the people in those countries, believe the war to be both "over" and "won".

What exactly constitutes a war ending?

The fighting hasn't stopped. The killing hasn't stopped. The opposing force's leader is neither dead nor in custody. Therefore, in what way, is the war over?

 

[whipped]

Hitler's dead. Oh, sorry, different war

 

[Will]

Also, our own government in the UK told us the war was needed because Saddam was an immediate threat. Now, it turns out they just decided to say that, to persuade a rather apathetic public that the war was justified.

It turns out that they just made it up. On top of that, when an MoD official told the press about it, and then owned up to it, they publically revealed who he was, and made the pressure so much he eventually took his own life.

Don't you think an investigation is a little bit justified?

 

[[PS]Mung]

I don't think Labour can spin this one anymore.
It's the death knell for them.

 

[PR.]

Originally posted by Jonny_Darko
I find it funny that both the UK and US Governments, and most of the people in those countries, believe the war to be both "over" and "won".

What exactly constitutes a war ending?

The fighting hasn't stopped. The killing hasn't stopped. The opposing force's leader is neither dead nor in custody. Therefore, in what way, is the war over?

Are we still running armed forces across the country taking it town by town? No. Are the people of Iraq still under Saddams oppression? No. Are Rebuilding Iraq? mostly yes.

Are we still at war with Aghanistan? After all we didn't get the man we were after, and a lot of the Taliban melted away. There's still fighting between Taliban loyalists and the forces that remain there.

 

[PR.]

Originally posted by [PS]Mung
I don't think Labour can spin this one anymore.
It's the death knell for them.

So who you gonna vote for this coming election?

And if your gonna say "I'm not voting" who would you want running this country out of the current choices?

 

[Ch3tan]

More soldiers have died in Iraq since the supposed war stopped.

Wether or not it was right to go to war to overthrow an evil dictator is not the issue, lying to the country to justify such an action is the issue.

The government are using this whole issue to try and silence the BBC and gain some control over what can and cannot be published by them.. Might blow up in their faces though.

 

[Xtro]

Originally posted by [PS]Mung
I don't think Labour can spin this one anymore.
It's the death knell for them.

Unfortunately it wont be the end.

There isn't a viable alternative yet, although tory support may rise a little.

Reminds me of the Thatcher years...ugh.

I'd vote Lib Dem (always voted Labour) next time but thats like pissing in the wind up here.

 

[Will]

While technically we aren't at war with Iraq, it is very much an occupied and hostile country.

And Afganistan...America just gave up on that one. Deicided it wasn't worth that hassle, and that they should move on to something a bit more juicy.

What really worries me is something I read recently. When Lockerbie happened, sanctions were imposed, and there was a single bombing raid on Libya. Nowadays, America would be straight in there with as many men as it could manage, and the UK would be tagging along behind. Is this the correct solution for dealing with any sort of tit-for-tat violence, or does it just encourage it?

</dragging things off-topic>

 

[[PS]Mung]

Originally posted by PR.
So who you gonna vote for this coming election?

And if your gonna say "I'm not voting" who would you want running this country out of the current choices?

I used to vote Tory...in the eighties, when I first got the vote.
But for the last 3 elections and at every local election I vote Liberal.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by PR.
So who you gonna vote for this coming election?

And if your gonna say "I'm not voting" who would you want running this country out of the current choices?

The whole idea of a general election is that you vote for the candidate who you believe to be the most able to work on your behalf to serve your community. People voting Labour or Tory just because of what they read in the papers is just plain stupid, and the cause of much of the apathy politicians so love to whinge about.

What I'd quite like, is a dedicated impartial website listing the names and agendas of every election candidate, so I can be helped to make that choice.

 

[ECA]

Originally posted by Tom.
The whole idea of a general election is that you vote for the candidate who you believe to be the most able to work on your behalf to serve your community. People voting Labour or Tory just because of what they read in the papers is just plain stupid, and the cause of much of the apathy politicians so love to whinge about.

What I'd quite like, is a dedicated impartial website listing the names and agendas of every election candidate, so I can be helped to make that choice.

I'm sure I've posted somewhere before about what needs to be done to the electoral system :/

 

[Will]

Then again, we aren't going to search through over 2000 posts to find out what you said when we fail to remember.

 

[Stazbumpa]

tuppence//

I don't think that any of the political parties have the first clue about running the country. Having said that, they do have more of a clue about it than Joe Public.
In either case I don't trust any of them to be in office so I'm kind of sat on the fence about whether Labour should go over this. Lying to the country is not cricket, I agree, but to be honest I still think that Iraq needed sorting out, but then so does a load of other "rogue states".
My opinion will always be "get the other guy first", not sit and debate the issue for 6 months, and the only thing that bothers me is that Iraq gets invaded but other nations get off the hook.

//tuppence

 

[mank!]

I'm not particularly bothered about David Kelly. I don't think all this speculation is particularly nice for his family though, and an investigation should be set up and left to do what it needs to. Most of my interest began and ended when I found out he died a few miles up the road from me.

 

[throdgrain]

Originally posted by [PS]Mung
I used to vote Tory...in the eighties, when I first got the vote.
But for the last 3 elections and at every local election I vote Liberal.

Liberal, well, waste of a vote, and tbh they're simply saying anything they can to get them a vote .
Tory. are you mad ?

 

[throdgrain]

Originally posted by [PS]Mung
Aye well, we all have different interests and different circles of friends.

I think the government had him killed off to keep him quiet.

And as for this comment, sorry to post twice and indeed quote you twice , but, are you for real ?
Have you been watching too much x-files again ?

 

[[PS]Mung]

No, x-files is pants.

I just using wildly speculative reasoning and Daily Mail Reader Deduction.

He wronged the Government, he died. Ergo Big Brother did it.

See.