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inactionman
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Nice monitor, but not very practical for gaming!
Games look crap when you don't run them at the monitor's native resolution, in this case 1920x1200 and you'd probably need SLI 7950GT's to do so. Even then the FPS would still be low. And no teedles, this isn't an excuse to run out and buy some new graphics cards as well!
Games look crap when you don't run them at the monitor's native resolution, in this case 1920x1200 and you'd probably need SLI 7950GT's to do so. Even then the FPS would still be low. And no teedles, this isn't an excuse to run out and buy some new graphics cards as well!
inactionman
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Nope, not on the new games. Those 2 7800's are roughly equivilent to a single 7950 these days, maybe slightly faster. But it depends what you'll be playing.
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These guys may be able to give you some advice:
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum
Also apparently there's a Benq coming out shortly with HDMI, the FB241W, and they make the 2407WFP for Dell (it's basically the same monitor, without HDMI and a Dell badge).
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum
Also apparently there's a Benq coming out shortly with HDMI, the FB241W, and they make the 2407WFP for Dell (it's basically the same monitor, without HDMI and a Dell badge).
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Clown said:Hmm. I turned down the image quality in that last one. I was seeing if it would do anything to the frame rate, but my graphics card is just too uber to care.
Forums are no problem.
Lol Clown you must be loaded, nice setup though bud
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The 2405 scales down to lower res's very well actually, and not heard complaints about the new batch of 2407's where dell have fixed early issues.inactionman said:Nice monitor, but not very practical for gaming!
Games look crap when you don't run them at the monitor's native resolution, in this case 1920x1200 and you'd probably need SLI 7950GT's to do so. Even then the FPS would still be low. And no teedles, this isn't an excuse to run out and buy some new graphics cards as well!
In short, the screen rocks, I run it on a 9800pro at native res, for gods sake!
Buy it..... but save some cash and get it from ebay.
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inactionman
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Nice price. I'd get the Benq FP241W though (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/benq_fp241w.htm), although it's likely to be ~£100 extra (on OCUK at least), but worth it for HDMI and 1080p. If you want to play HD video on Vista, you have to have HDMI (or at least DVI with HDCP support), and the Dell only supports up to 780p, shame on a screen that has 1200 lines!
At the very least it should drop the price of the Dell!
At the very least it should drop the price of the Dell!
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no I can't decide what to get. I'd like the full HD gubbins, but I also want 1:1 mapping for those poor people's games with non-scaling films and things
as I'm mostly playing DOW and CIV4 atm I want a large screen, but I don't want one that breaks the bank.
also I shall prolly be getting Vista at some point when MS makes it worth my while to upgrade XP, and I've heard that all kinds of wierd HD and DRM stuff gets implemented that your monitor would have to support?
tis all a bit confusing tbh, now that I'm not active in the hardware things anymore :/
I can't decide what to get. I'd like the full HD gubbins, but I also want 1:1 mapping for those poor people's games with non-scaling films and things as I'm mostly playing DOW and CIV4 atm I want a large screen, but I don't want one that breaks the bank.
also I shall prolly be getting Vista at some point when MS makes it worth my while to upgrade XP, and I've heard that all kinds of wierd HD and DRM stuff gets implemented that your monitor would have to support?
tis all a bit confusing tbh, now that I'm not active in the hardware things anymore :/
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Ch3tan said:
It's a well known problem with it (along with PIP only working with s-video, etc.), it may be fixed with firmware, but it may not as Benq make the monitor for Dell, and they will probably want as many people as possible to get their monitor instead.
Yeah, the lack of 1:1 pixel mapping is an issue (this is also bugged currently for the Dell in some resolutions), but if you have a Nvidia card it can do all the rescaling in the driver, ATI don't do this yet though.
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ok so as I have nVidia cards in my pc I can have them to the 1:1 scaling in the driver rather than telling the monitor to do it via some DVI command?
and...if I really want 1080i I should wait for the Benq yeah? 1080i will in the real world only benefit me if I a) have Vista (and/or) b) play next-gen console games through the monitor (and/or) c) watch HD/DVD or other movies in HD on the monitor?
There are good odds I will never do B or C through my poota. What benefits will Vista give me that I do not have now?
and...if I really want 1080i I should wait for the Benq yeah? 1080i will in the real world only benefit me if I a) have Vista (and/or) b) play next-gen console games through the monitor (and/or) c) watch HD/DVD or other movies in HD on the monitor?
There are good odds I will never do B or C through my poota. What benefits will Vista give me that I do not have now?
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Yes, apparently a lot of widescreen gamers only use Nvidia cards specifically for that feature!
It's 1080p you want, not 1080i. 1080i/720i is interlaced, with each screen refresh only changing every other line, 1080p/720p is progressive (non-interlaced) and the whole screen is refreshed. Makes a major difference in action movies, and anything where there's lots of movement, but not so when you are playing a game as all monitor output is progressive.
HMDI/HDCP is the thing you want, as content owners will eventually mandate that all content must be outputted through a protected path (so HDMI/HDCP for Video, and eventually audio, but audio is a lot cheaper to do later). You'd eventually need a HDMI/HDCP graphics card as well, but they are only just coming out. Basically it comes down to future-proofing or cheapness.
Things you'd probably want with Vista: DX10, apparently it's better than xp for running games (who knows!), a mainstream 64 bit version with widespread support and eventually you'll have as hard a time running games on xp as you do on 2000 currently. But HDMI is only going to be a requirement for outputting protected content in Vista, so you won't need it for gaming.
It's up to you, I'd probably get the BFI version of the Benq that's supposed to be coming out in early November, but I'd also use it as the tv in my bedroom, which you may not do.
It's 1080p you want, not 1080i. 1080i/720i is interlaced, with each screen refresh only changing every other line, 1080p/720p is progressive (non-interlaced) and the whole screen is refreshed. Makes a major difference in action movies, and anything where there's lots of movement, but not so when you are playing a game as all monitor output is progressive.
HMDI/HDCP is the thing you want, as content owners will eventually mandate that all content must be outputted through a protected path (so HDMI/HDCP for Video, and eventually audio, but audio is a lot cheaper to do later). You'd eventually need a HDMI/HDCP graphics card as well, but they are only just coming out. Basically it comes down to future-proofing or cheapness.
Things you'd probably want with Vista: DX10, apparently it's better than xp for running games (who knows!), a mainstream 64 bit version with widespread support and eventually you'll have as hard a time running games on xp as you do on 2000 currently. But HDMI is only going to be a requirement for outputting protected content in Vista, so you won't need it for gaming.
It's up to you, I'd probably get the BFI version of the Benq that's supposed to be coming out in early November, but I'd also use it as the tv in my bedroom, which you may not do.
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ok so in summary:
sorry for being thick, but I'm somewhat out of touch with hardware things heh. thanks for being patient I suppose I'll wait a bit for that Benq/other monitor that comes out with similar spec. Aiming for around Christmas atm.
- I want 1080p
- I want HMDI/HDCP
- I (will) want the "gaming" version of Vista when it comes out. (which is prolly the most expensive one as well, cheers MS)
sorry for being thick, but I'm somewhat out of touch with hardware things heh. thanks for being patient
I suppose I'll wait a bit for that Benq/other monitor that comes out with similar spec. Aiming for around Christmas atm.
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Teeds, I think I overcomplicated things a bit, but I do tend to take things like buying monitors a bit more analytically than most other pc components, as I only tend to change them about every 4 or so years, versus the constant changes to the rest of the computer!
Basically it all depends on if you want to use the monitor for HD content (movies etc, not games, as games publishers aren't quite as anal yet as the movie studios/record companies). It's probably best to wait for the Benq to come out, and then make your decision.
If you want to watch HD movies on your monitor, get the Benq. If you don't, just get the cheapest! But if that's the Dell make sure it's at least a A03 revision, even then you may want to wait for the A04 revision so the other bugs (hopefully) get fixed, as firmware upgrades can stupidly only happen at a service centre, which means you will be without monitor whilst this is happening!
Basically it all depends on if you want to use the monitor for HD content (movies etc, not games, as games publishers aren't quite as anal yet as the movie studios/record companies). It's probably best to wait for the Benq to come out, and then make your decision.
If you want to watch HD movies on your monitor, get the Benq. If you don't, just get the cheapest! But if that's the Dell make sure it's at least a A03 revision, even then you may want to wait for the A04 revision so the other bugs (hopefully) get fixed, as firmware upgrades can stupidly only happen at a service centre, which means you will be without monitor whilst this is happening!